Poll: Should Sony use DTS-HD Master Audio or Dolby TrueHD?

[ganthc]

Originally Posted by saprano

WHY ARE WE FANBOYS!!!!! please tell me. enough with that crap, you and peter. just because we like something more than the other? i guess the whole world is fanboys and girls since everyone likes something better. whether it be movies, games, sports, anything.

I think the reason is because in the face of scientific evidence that TrueHD and DTS-HDMA are equal, DTS proponents appear to ignore that and say that DTS-HDMA sounds "better."

The more negative reason is that by labeling you a fanboy, he is trying to marginalize your opinion and deem it inconsequential and irrelevant, because you are obviously a biased DTS loon. Hopefully it's the former.

[Tok]

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

I don't dislike DTS. I just think it's the same as Dolby TrueHD while others put it on a pedistal for no reason.

And he sure did get me! Holy crap did he get me! But let me point this out. He mentioned the sound on Watchmen, WB's first DTS-HD MA title, in a thread where DTS fanboys are running rabid. Gee, I wonder why he would mention that in this particular thread...

It'll be interesting to see how many double-dip when WHV re-releases TDK with a dts-HD MA track. Nevermind the fact that it will be sourced from the same master as the TrueHD version.


Again I don't care which direction they go, but dts-HD is NOT inherently better. Maybe Sony is planning another dip on Casino Royale while the Daniel Craig series is still fresh.

[trans22]

Originally Posted by CraigW

It'll be interesting to see how many double-dip when WHV re-releases TDK with a dts-HD MA track. Nevermind the fact that it will be sourced from the same master as the TrueHD version.


Again I don't care which direction they go, but dts-HD is NOT inherently better. Maybe Sony is planning another dip on Casino Royale while the Daniel Craig series is still fresh.

Are WARNER changing to DTS? I personally would double dip with BATMAN BEGINS if it had DTS and maybe a better picture, also MATRIX trilogy.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by trans22

Are WARNER changing to DTS? I personally would double dip with BATMAN BEGINS if it had DTS and maybe a better picture, also MATRIX trilogy.

Yup... I'd fall prey to these re-issues as well... [correction] Sorry, I wouldn't double-dip on Batman Begins, but I would on The Dark Knight.

That's another $150 for WB out of my pocket without me even flinching. Hell, I'd certainly love for them to do this so that I can finally have a proper test of the codecs!

I've always admitted that, up until this potentially happens, that I've always loved the DTS HD MA audio tracks better than any TrueHD tracks knowing full well that there is no proper comparison of a single track using both codecs. So, I'm fully prepared to say that they sound identical if they in fact do. But, it is also very strange to me that, even using volume matching, EVERY TrueHD mix has sounded weak compared to EVERY DTS HD MA mix. After 300+ Blu-rays watched, I'm still holding to my deductive observations that DTS HD MA provides better audio playback.

[BIslander]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

I've always admitted that, up until this potentially happens, that I've always loved the DTS HD MA audio tracks better than any TrueHD tracks knowing full well that there is no proper comparison of a single track using both codecs. So, I'm fully prepared to say that they sound identical if they in fact do.

Have you tried the 30th Anniversary release of Close Encounters? It has both encodes for all three versions of the movie. I believe the TrueHD and dts-MA tracks are taken from the same masters and there's no dialnorm offset on the TrueHD encodes.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by BIslander

Have you tried the 30th Anniversary release of Close Encounters? It has both encodes for all three versions of the movie. I believe the TrueHD and dts-MA tracks are taken from the same masters and there's no dialnorm offset on the TrueHD encodes.

I own it. DTS HD MA does sound a hint better in my opinion. However, a film of its era doesn't have the audio production quality of a modern day blockbuster. Honestly, even the DTS HD MA track on CE3K doesn't offer much in the way of "wow" because of its production era limitations. With the added budget and added resources of a modern audio track, it would prove much more appropriate to gauge any extreme or subtle differences.

[BIslander]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

a film of its era doesn't have the audio production quality of a modern day blockbuster. Honestly, even the DTS HD MA track on CE3K doesn't offer much in the way of "wow" because of its production era limitations.

They wow me. Both encodes.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

I own it. DTS HD MA does sound a hint better in my opinion. However, a film of its era doesn't have the audio production quality of a modern day blockbuster. Honestly, even the DTS HD MA track on CE3K doesn't offer much in the way of "wow" because of its production era limitations. With the added budget and added resources of a modern audio track, it would prove much more appropriate to gauge any extreme or subtle differences.

CE3K used full range 70MM-ready analog recordings, the music alone is on par with anything done today. The bass of the encounters rattle the room better than many "modern" blockbusters. It is a VERY demanding soundtrack.

I've always admitted that, up until this potentially happens, that I've always loved the DTS HD MA audio tracks better than any TrueHD tracks knowing full well that there is no proper comparison of a single track using both codecs.

Yet we've had several reviews on this site of recent films (mostly imports) that have both versions and they say they heard no difference...

You also keep saying "every" DTS-MA track beats a TrueHD track yet if I point out say Forgetting Sarah Marshall doesn't sound anywhere as good as say Iron Man (even with DRC engaged!) that doesn't count.

[Scorxpion]

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movie...50&show=review

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDRe...ng_blu-ray.htm

From Blu-ray.com "One of the most aggressive and deafening soundtracks available, Knowing features plenty of hefty bass and loud yet crystal-clear sound effects."

"Knowing features a soundtrack to be experienced rather than heard. A track to be reckoned with now and into the future, Knowing represents one of, if not the, top soundtracks currently available on Blu-ray."

From DVDbeaver.com:

"Bass response in some of the more destructive-laden scenes is window-rattling. I actually found it a shade overly aggressive a it tended to advance beyond the normal range of dialogue volumes. Explosions sounded as if they were tearing my speakers apart. The infrequent music as well in Knowing, like Beethoven's Symphony No. 7, was so clean and crisp it generates a warm encompassing mood distant from the film. This audio mix is quite exceptional - one of the most advanced that I've heard in a long while."

Do you think this or is Possible if it was done in Dolby True HD are we going to feel like that.I don't think so

[trans22]

Originally Posted by Scorxpion

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movie...50&show=review

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDRe...ng_blu-ray.htm

From Blu-ray.com "One of the most aggressive and deafening soundtracks available, Knowing features plenty of hefty bass and loud yet crystal-clear sound effects."

"Knowing features a soundtrack to be experienced rather than heard. A track to be reckoned with now and into the future, Knowing represents one of, if not the, top soundtracks currently available on Blu-ray."

From DVDbeaver.com:

"Bass response in some of the more destructive-laden scenes is window-rattling. I actually found it a shade overly aggressive a it tended to advance beyond the normal range of dialogue volumes. Explosions sounded as if they were tearing my speakers apart. The infrequent music as well in Knowing, like Beethoven's Symphony No. 7, was so clean and crisp it generates a warm encompassing mood distant from the film. This audio mix is quite exceptional - one of the most advanced that I've heard in a long while."

Do you think this or is Possible if it was done in Dolby True HD are we going to feel like that.I don't think so

This is typically awesome DTS, something that TRUEHD couldn't seem to replicate. R.I.P TRUEHD

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Scorxpion

Do you think this or is Possible if it was done in Dolby True HD are we going to feel like that.I don't think so

Originally Posted by trans22

This is typically awesome DTS, something that TRUEHD couldn't seem to replicate. R.I.P TRUEHD

Where's the TrueHD encode of Knowing that scored less?

[seigneur_rayden]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Where's the TrueHD encode of Knowing that scored less?

It was so bad that they decided not to put it on the BD.





Just joking.

[dave99]

dts sounds better

[BIslander]

Originally Posted by Scorxpion

Do you think this or is Possible if it was done in Dolby True HD are we going to feel like that.I don't think so

Originally Posted by trans22

This is typically awesome DTS, something that TRUEHD couldn't seem to replicate. R.I.P TRUEHD

Originally Posted by dave99

dts sounds better

These kinds of posts are why people get labeled as "fanboys".

[Scorxpion]

Originally Posted by BIslander

These kinds of posts are why people get labeled as "fanboys".

I'm just giving my opinion as others have said and not necessary DTS sounds better but the experience from DTSHD master audio is better and stop invading us.You know the truth about my earlier and past posts in this thread.You are asking about prove and incident why DTSHD master audio is slightly better so i'm giving you the experience.At least you understood.

Thanks,

[mustang-gt-2002]

looks like DTS-HD only is winning big time.

[neo_reloaded]

Originally Posted by Scorxpion

I'm just giving my opinion as others have said and not necessary DTS sounds better but the experience from DTSHD master audio is better and stop invading us.You know the truth about my earlier and past posts in this thread.You are asking about prove and incident why DTSHD master audio is slightly better so i'm giving you the experience.At least you understood.

Thanks,

How does a good DTS-HD Master Audio track provide any relevant information for this argument? Hooray, it's a good track and it's in DTS-HD MA. There is no TrueHD track to compare it to, so the whole thing is completely pointless to even mention. Just saying that you don't think TrueHD could handle the track or whatever is a worthless statement - it carries exactly zero weight in anything even resembling a serious discussion. Illogical statements like the ones you just made are the exact reason people get called "fanboys."

Same for the whole "every DTS-HD MA track sounds better than every TrueHD track" stuff. I'm sorry, the 27 Dresses DTS-HD MA track sounds better than the Iron Man TrueHD track? The Meet Dave DTS-HD MA track sounds better than The Dark Knight TrueHD track? Etc. etc. These are ridiculous statements that do nothing but hurt your argument in the eyes of others.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Scorxpion

I'm just giving my opinion as others have said and not necessary DTS sounds better but the experience from DTSHD master audio is better and stop invading us.You know the truth about my earlier and past posts in this thread.You are asking about prove and incident why DTSHD master audio is slightly better so i'm giving you the experience.At least you understood.

OK, let's play that game:

From the review of Sisterhood:

Sisterhood’s DTS-HD MA 5.1 surround track suffices, but it’s so unmemorable that I’m having difficulty thinking of anything to say about it. Vocal prioritization is generally okay, but during a few instances I noticed characters sounding unusually muffled. The rear channels are largely silent, and the one or two big uses of sound panning are heavy-handed and stand out unnaturally from the rest of the film. The soundtrack too is largely forgettable

From the review of Rocky:

Rocky steps into the HD home theater ring wearing a newly minted DTS HD Master Audio 5.1 track that, like its video quality, lacks polish and shine.

From the review of Confessions of a Shopaholic:

The Blu-ray edition of Confessions of a Shopaholic may boast a fairly proficient DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 surround track, but the film's sound design is as uninspiring and uninvolving

Something About Mary:

The primary audio offering on this release is an English 5.1 DTS-HD MA track. Given the quality of the video transfer, I suppose it was too much to expect a significant improvement in the audio on the disc.

Baby on Board:

The DTS HD 5.1 MA track is a lackluster affair that, while serving the needs of the film adequately, is unremarkable and wholly forgettable.

Bruce Almighty:

the full lossless treatment with a new DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 surround track, but it doesn't deliver a substantial improvement over the 2007 HD DVD's Dolby Digital-Plus mix.

Seth MacFarlane's Cavalcade of Cartoon Comedy:

Ultimately, the audio experience on Blu-ray is shallow and unimpressive. Any audiophiles who are interested in the title will need to lower their expectations substantially

All DTS-HD MA, all scoring 3.5 or less.
What was your point again about DTS making things magically better?

[saprano]

For people who didn't see this from the last page.

And peter didn't you get the memo

The DTS-HD Master Audio vs. Dolby TrueHD poll proved useful and you all will be seeing the results of that in titles coming later this Fall.

Fellow membership should keep in mind that I am finished with regularly following that particular survey and its related pertinent comments; however, if I do hear about Bludog, Krelldog or surroundhound all posting in unison on the same page of that survey again, I may just be inclined to post this YouTube video once more ……….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He82NBjJqf8

Our chieftain moderators should consider keeping the audio survey thread open for executives to read from other studios/content providers (for example, George Feltenstein, Senior VP from WB has mentioned to me that he reads my thread regularly [which carries a link to that audio codec poll]) who may be thinking of switching from one audio codec to another and perhaps also for fellow members who find it valuable to learn/debate certain related audio nuances of interest to them which have arisen during/as a result of the course of that discussion.

Thanks for all the participation ……roughly over 1,300 votes, over 1,300 replies and over 30,000 views, all accomplished in a short time since its inception , as it has been hovering around those numbers for a few weeks now already.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=9832

[ADstv]

Transporter 3 (Region B) sounded awesome and it was a TrueHD track. Now I haven't compared to the DTS-MA (Region A) but I wouldn't really advantage one over another (Ok maybe 7.1 vs 5.1) but still wouldnt trade it for a DTS-MA copy. Most sources depends on the master it was sourced from. Even for Spiderman 3 once I turned the TrueHD a few dB up from the PCM track and compared one another, I actually found there was hardly no difference. Now at the end its the extra stuff like Dialnorm and DRC on the TrueHD that can fiddle how receivers handle the codec. Still not too happy with the Ironman issue with the DRC defaulted to On and have to manually change it all the time (I have a Onkyo Receiver). Still I do favour the DTS-MA track over the TrueHD... maybe it just years of habit with looking at covers and seeing a DTS logo on the case means it sounds better. Really I think its just in the mind.