Scream Factory Blu-ray Discussion Thread

[demonknight]

Originally Posted by EricJ

Universal already has Jaws 3D converted (it's playing the Expo next September), and it'll stay in their own sequel box next to the original.
The rumors say we were supposed to get the box last summer, but Spielberg preferred that the original go out by itself as a Universal 100 classic.
Whether we'll see it this August, the clock is ticking.

Yes but they'll never give it or The Revenge actual respect...
They'll release them both bare bones, and separately. At least Scream Factory would package them both in a double feature and try to give them some features.

[NoirFan]

Originally Posted by demonknight

They'll release them both bare bones, and separately.

Perhaps they'll include the sections of 'The Shark is Still Working' dealing with Jaws 3 and 4 that were deleted from the version included with the first film?

[Evileye]

Originally Posted by PhantasmFan

Wondering if anyone else here saw it back in the day.

If you do a little research you'll realize that the films I mentioned are very well known for being the best 3d in its day. And to be honest..they haven't utilized it as well that often.

Yes... showing my age but I also happen to have actually seen these films theatrically and unlike converted junk like Piranha, these were actually SHOT in 3D with separate images for each eye. While a few films have actually been filmed in 3D (MY BLOODY VALENTINE, AVATAR, FINAL DESTINATION 4/5, RESIDENT EVIL etc) most have been computer conversions... aka single images manipulated in post production to appear as 2.

The films of the 80s (and even 70's like Andy Warhol's Frankenstein) were shot in true 3D and carefully composed (and filled with silly eye poke moments). Despite the narrative being lousy, they were professionally done.

I suspect that someone who was not even alive at the time of these presentations would either A) recycling hearsay B) have seen a lousy anaglyph tv conversion or C) went to a shoddy revival screening with badly aligned projectors.

I suspect when these 80s flicks finally come out most will surprised by the 3D effects although who knows what quality the prints will be in!

[Movie-Brat]

Just to be sure, that's not the nostalgia goggles talking is it?

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by Evileye

I suspect that someone who was not even alive at the time of these presentations would either A) recycling hearsay B) have seen a lousy anaglyph tv conversion or C) went to a shoddy revival screening with badly aligned projectors.

I was there and never saw a properly aligned polarized projection--Didn't give me "headaches", just created massive ghosting, and "two" eye-pokes for every scene, that made me wonder whether it would've worked better if I was sitting in the right center viewpoint in the theater.
Apart from converting YouTube clips years later, don't think I ever SAW 3D pop-out that completely worked for most of the 80's until I went to Disney and the World's Fair, where they had people to make sure the projectors were set up properly. (And even then, it was the kite flying over the audience in "Magic Journeys" and not anything in Captain EO.)

Eye-for-eye Active Blu3D, if it's been properly treated, takes all the "guesswork" out of what the minimum-wage projectionists were guessing back then, and even though I've seen Spacehunter or Four Crowns, it'll literally be a new experience for me to see 80's 3D that worked. The movies still stank, but the visual layout had its own flavor--Even watching Am3 on ThisTV, there was still that soft, fuzzy, floating-in-space quality to the 2D film print that made you want to put on your glasses and imagine how the depth played in the normal scenes, and the microphone or demonic fireballs in the "gimmick" scenes.

[Movie-Brat]

Shit, I forgot I watched Saw VII in 3D...didn't need the effect unlike Piranha.

[RandyK]

Was on the fence about getting the Amityville set but since one of them is in 3D, I think I'll bite. Good job Scream.

[jeepersitsthecreeper]

I bet half of the heated members of the random 3D convo/debate, do not even own a 3D TV...

[Evileye]

It's a simple fact that these were filmed with actual dual lens camera and projected separate images that created true depth. While the prints were fresh at the time I would imagine that lack of restoration/preservation of these films will result in fuzzy images that lack real sharpness. It will also take a restoration of both negatives that make the single image to make this pop and that may be costly. It's had to compare a low budget exploitation flick thats 30+ yrs old to a digitally shot modern film.

Let's face it, despite directors moaning that they want to do non-gimmicky 3D... the format IS a gimmick and the 70/80s wave of these films embraced that (admittedly they were usually dumb silly popcorn flicks). FRIDAY THE 13TH PART 3 is filled with countless dopey but fun fingers/eyeballs/poles/baseball bats/joints/juggling/axes/pitchforks etc etc etc.

You are correct in the assumption that sitting in the center of the theater is recommended for best viewing.

Another problem with most converted 3D is that the viewer has trouble adjusting to fast movement and most modern films have crazy jerky visual styles. The films shot in true 3D tend to use less action-oriented photography and use carefully selected colors in sets/wardrobe. Many directors today (CAPTAIN AMERICA comes to mind) have outright stated they chose to convert in post because of the constraints placed on them for framing action scenes.

Sadly, many people have gone online bashing 3D after seeing lousy conversions and swear on a stack of bibles that the older films are "red/blue" 3D without actually seeing them or even googling a history of 3D. And yes I have seen my share of cheap revival theaters botching the projections (two viewing of FRIDAY THE 13TH in a row were ruined within the first half of the film).

I agree these older films are junk (as is most of the new crop of 3D) but seeing fresh prints of these films properly aligned will make a difference in their appeal. It won't change bad screenwriting and clumsy compositing work but it will make them presentable as intended. It will also not change anyone's mind that hates the format in general

[Movie-Brat]

I I mainly disagree because well given my experience with Jaws 3D, I simply doubt a slow moving shark was effective on the big screen. Not helped that I had read that the film used a cheap but poor 3D process.

[Evileye]

Originally Posted by Movie-Brat

I I mainly disagree because well given my experience with Jaws 3D, I simply doubt a slow moving shark was effective on the big screen. Not helped that I had read that the film used a cheap but poor 3D process.

I would agree the film is bad and the shark effects are poor. The physical mechanical shark was fine but the horrible "money shot" of the model bursting through "glass" is bad Add to that some really bad compositing/screen effects. But a lot of the small touches did work (flags in the foreground, the goody fish head and the credits). It's also a murky looking film.

AMITYVILLE and FRIDAY as you will notice are brightly lit and even night time shots seem to be flooded with light.

It's cool that you're not into the flick (it didn't get Razzie nods for nothing). I just hate to see people scared off catalog titles before anyone gives it a real try.

[Movie-Brat]

Well it depends on their experience with 3D. Mine has been a mixed bag. I love the 3D in Piranha, My Soul to Take unfortunately while not a bad, had terrible 3D but then there's ParaNorman which its 3D was very good.

Although to be honest, the fish head in Jaws 3 was more funny to me. Although I do recall Friday the 13th Part 3 being lit in the night time scenes.

[Pete Rock]

How about a Roger Corman's Femme Fatales 4 Movie Collection featuring Angel of Destruction(1994) starring Maria Ford, Battle Queen 2020(2001) starring Julie Strain, Angelfist(1993) starring the late Cat Sassoon, and Vampirella(1996) starring Talisa Soto. Definitely doesn't need the blu treatment. Just 4 awesomely bad movies with hot chicks kicking ass mostly in the nude. Grab a beer and turn off your brain for a few.

[DMRI2006]

Originally Posted by Movie-Brat

My only concern is if the fans don't like the 3D, they'd point the blame at Cliff and co. without even considering that you know, the 3D wasn't that good in the first place?

The 3D in theaters was terrific. It's the sole reason I'll be buying this set as I'm not a fan of 1 or 2.

[Mr. Thomsen]

Originally Posted by EricJ

Was F13 ever done in "real" 3D-disk, or was that one still anaglyph?

Only anaglyph, unfortunately. A lot of us are hoping that when Warner releases the movies, hopefully later this year, they will release part three in real 3D. But since all other movies they have released from the Paramount catalogue have been the exact same discs issued before, I am not holding my breath.

Originally Posted by EricJ

Now, if we can just get Cliff to tell us who did the work on it--
The 3D Archive doesn't know a thing about it (and they sneer at 80's titles anyway); MGM isn't around to do the work, and they'd hardly bother anyway.
If this's a made-for-disk restoration that's not going to theaters to pick up the tab of an expensive 3D re-alignment, will it be as good as Universal's Creature, or as bad as Warner's Harry Potter 7.1?

To be fair, there was a bit of debate about Universal's Creature, since - as the 3D Archive showed - they had altered the depth of the 3D sometimes quite significantly and not necessarily to the better.

[redrunner97]

Originally Posted by Mr. Thomsen

A lot of us are hoping that when Warner releases the movies, hopefully later this year, they will release part three in real 3D. But since all other movies they have released from the Paramount catalogue have been the exact same discs issued before, I am not holding my breath.

Warner have actually already re-released the first 3 Friday films already, but they were carbon copies with only the logo changed from Paramount to Warner.

Maybe later this year, but I highly doubt it.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by Mr. Thomsen

To be fair, there was a bit of debate about Universal's Creature, since - as the 3D Archive showed - they had altered the depth of the 3D sometimes quite significantly and not necessarily to the better.

Okay, as passable as Universal's Creature and as bad as Warner's Harry Potter 7.1, then.
I'm a bit more worried about the latter.

[NoirFan]

Originally Posted by Mr. Thomsen

To be fair, there was a bit of debate about Universal's Creature, since - as the 3D Archive showed - they had altered the depth of the 3D sometimes quite significantly and not necessarily to the better.

Overall I thought the 3-D presentation was absolutely amazing, but then again I haven't seen too many 3-D films and am by no means a Creature expert.

[jaws3dfan]

Originally Posted by demonknight

Yes but they'll never give it or The Revenge actual respect...They'll release them both bare bones, and separately.

I hope that Universal includes the made for TV Documentary "Sharks Don't Die" on the Jaws 3-D Blu-Ray, I uploaded this Documentary on youtube a few years back if anyone wants to check it out.

[dantexaiver]

Where have I been? Scream factory seems to be putting my favorite horror movies out on Blu and I have not got one of the releases and Im an advid horror fan!!

I see they have plans to release Scanners 1 and 2 but why not part 1? who owns the rights to that?

I am hoping Scream can get the rights to the Dawn of the Dead films and release a kick ass boxset of aLL THE CUTS.

I am also hoping SCREAM can get the rights to the Critters Franchise and give it the Blu treatment as well.