Scream Factory Blu-ray Discussion Thread

[AKORIS]

Originally Posted by cine74

Subtext. Metaphors. Allegory. Archetypal. Cultural Zeitgeist. Intellectual Limits. Seriously? What ever happened to just watching and enjoying the movie. If you're not impressed by it 20 minutes in, turn it off and read a novel.
If Shout has LORD OF ILLUSIONS it's safe to assume they may also have WITHOUT WARNING. Scorpion says they don't have the rights so that leaves MGM since TransWorld, the company that release WW on video, is part of their library.

good for you!

[Movie-Brat]

Originally Posted by cine74

Subtext. Metaphors. Allegory. Archetypal. Cultural Zeitgeist. Intellectual Limits. Seriously? What ever happened to just watching and enjoying the movie. If you're not impressed by it 20 minutes in, turn it off and read a novel.

Nothing wrong with that. But however, films can transcend into much more than just entertainment. Horror especially given the works of Cronenberg, Ginger Snaps is no different than The Fly. Same case with Godzilla. Never disrespect films with more meat inside, especially Horror.

[demonknight]

Originally Posted by Movie-Brat

Nothing wrong with that. But however, films can transcend into much more than just entertainment. Horror especially given the works of Cronenberg, Ginger Snaps is no different than The Fly. Same case with Godzilla. Never disrespect films with more meat inside, especially Horror.

Difference being that The Fly is an excellent piece of cinematic horror, while only 1/5 of Ginger Snaps is any good in my own opinion.

[demonknight]

Originally Posted by Movie-Brat

Okay, I don't get the logic on why Ginger Snaps has to be like a "traditional" Horror film like having a clearcut bad guy or no allegories? In fact, going back to demon knight's problems with Ginger Snaps, by all accounts; Hellraiser suffers the same problem with people having conversations in a lot of scenes.

Still have not seen Hellraiser. Will probably read the book first, as Barker's writing has impressed me.

EDIT: Excuse me, short story.

[Movie-Brat]

Originally Posted by demonknight

Difference being that The Fly is an excellent piece of cinematic horror, while only 1/5 of Ginger Snaps is any good in my own opinion.

An allegory is an allegory, The Fly is no different than Ginger Snaps. It better not be a "Boys Only" type of reasoning.

[demonknight]

Originally Posted by Movie-Brat

An allegory is an allegory, The Fly is no different than Ginger Snaps. It better not be a "Boys Only" type of reasoning.

No. Hell no. I just felt that The Fly did not hammer its message into my skull the way Ginger Snaps did.

[zbinks]

Originally Posted by CountYorgaRules

Didn't Scream Factory say on their Facebook page that there was some rights problems they had in trying to acquire WITHOUT WARNING? I wish they could clear it up.

I have a feeling MGM has the film elements, but Greydon Clark / World Amusement Company, Inc. owns the copyright.

[Show spoiler]

Without warning / produced and directed by Greydon Clark ; co-producers,...

Type of Work: Motion Picture
Registration Number / Date: PA0000085923 / 1980-10-07
Title: Without warning / produced and directed by Greydon Clark ; co-producers, Daniel Grodnik, Lyn Freeman.
Imprint: [s.l.] : Released by Filmways Pictures, c1979.
Description: 5 film reels (89 min.) : sd., col. ; 35 mm.
Notes: Deposit includes descriptive material (2 p.)
Cast: Jack Palance, Martin Landau, Tarah Nutter et al.
Credits: Director of photography: Dean Cundey; film editor: Curtis Burch; music score: Dan Wyman; written by Lynn Freeman, Daniel Grodnik, Ben Nett & Steve Mathis.
Copyright Claimant: World Amusement Partnership Number 106
Date of Creation: 1979
Date of Publication: 1980-09-19
Authorship on Application: World Amusement Partnership Number 106, employer for hire.

The Warning / produced and directed by Greydon Clark ; co-producers, Daniel...

Type of Work: Motion Picture
Registration Number / Date: PA0000314207 / 1986-07-07
Application Title: It came without warning.
Title: The Warning / produced and directed by Greydon Clark ; co-producers, Daniel Grodnik, Lyn Freeman.
Imprint: Encino, CA : Arista Films, c1979.
Description: 1 videocassette (VHS) (89 min.) : sd., col. ; 1/2 in.
Notes: Alternative title on description: Without warning.
Cast: Jack Palance, Martin Landau, Tarah Nutter et al.
Performer: Presented by Skip Steloff.
Credits: Music by Dan Wyman; written by Lyn Freeman, Daniel Grodnik, Ben Nett & Steve Mathis.
Copyright Claimant: World Amusement Partnership No. 106
Date of Creation: 1979
Date of Publication: 1979-12-28
Authorship on Application: World Amusement Partnership No. 106, employer for hire.
Copyright Note: C.O. correspondence.

Other Title: Without warning
Names: Clark, Greydon
Grodnik, Daniel
Freeman, Lyn
Steloff, Skip
World Amusement Partnership No. 106

[Movie-Brat]

Originally Posted by demonknight

No. Hell no. I just felt that The Fly did not hammer its message into my skull the way Ginger Snaps did.

Just making sure. I don't like it when fans, Horror, comic book, etc. declare the stuff they like a "Boys Only" club. However, I don't recall Ginger Snaps being that forceful in the allegories. It's good to see a point of view from protagonists who are women. It shouldn't be hard for men to see their plights in female characters. Just recently I've seen a lot of myself in the new Ms. Marvel comic.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by Movie-Brat

If that's the case, why did Cliff tell me Nomads not selling well on DVD in the first place is why a Scream Factory release will never happen? And really, the selling point of Nomads is that it's a future James Bond actor in an 80's Horror film; Pierce Brosnan.

Well, also that it's an early John McTiernan, even though the plot makes not a single dang lick o' sense.

Originally Posted by demonknight

Yes. I do. He/she does.
Phantasm is genuinely chilling with creepy scenes. The Tall Man is a badass villain.
Ginger Snaps is just sisters having conversations about changes and werewolves being an overt metaphor. Ginger was not a menacing villain.

The Tall Man was creepy, iconic, and looked like a little kids' nightmare about being pulled into a graveyard (even if we had no idea who or what he was); Ginger was bratty and crabby, and needed to have her cellphone taken away for a week.
I'll take creepy.

Originally Posted by demonknight

Difference being that The Fly is an excellent piece of cinematic horror, while only 1/5 of Ginger Snaps is any good in my own opinion.

(1/5? I dunno, what is the percentage of a tail to the human body? )

Originally Posted by Movie-Brat

An allegory is an allegory, The Fly is no different than Ginger Snaps. It better not be a "Boys Only" type of reasoning.

It also didn't ambiguously or hypocritically try to make Jeff Goldblum look "gothy-cool" once he starts acting weird, or suggested that this was just the cure to break him out of his repressed go-nowhere life with a sledgehammer. It was clearly disturbing to Geena Davis, and that was good enough for us.

[Sinep]

Originally Posted by zbinks

I have a feeling MGM has the film elements, but Greydon Clark / World Amusement Company, Inc. owns the copyright.

[Show spoiler]

MGM Plays an HD Master on TV all the time. There was some quote on Facebook that Clark wants MGM or some studio to release it. There must be a mystery behind the rights on this...quick call Sherlock Holmes

[zbinks]

Originally Posted by Sinep

MGM Plays an HD Master on TV all the time

Home video distribution rights and TV distribution rights are often different animals.

[Movie-Brat]

Originally Posted by EricJ

It also didn't ambiguously or hypocritically try to make Jeff Goldblum look "gothy-cool" once he starts acting weird, or suggested that this was just the cure to break him out of his repressed go-nowhere life with a sledgehammer. It was clearly disturbing to Geena Davis, and that was good enough for us.

It's the times. Not every decade is like the 80's nor is it supposed to be. Not to mention the 80's have their stupid fashions. Hell, they age horribly.

[jthefrank]

Originally Posted by demonknight

No. Hell no. I just felt that The Fly did not hammer its message into my skull the way Ginger Snaps did.

I'm a huge Cronenberg fan (hell I even read the extra-dry Cronenberg on Cronenberg), but I've never considered most of his stuff especially subtle

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by Movie-Brat

It's the times. Not every decade is like the 80's nor is it supposed to be. Not to mention the 80's have their stupid fashions. Hell, they age horribly.

Yeah, eww, it's like OLD, like when they all had big hair and listened to Huey Lewis! Why does it just not, like, die?

(And yet Phantasm, from the Jimmy Carter era, still kicks Ginger's puberty-blues tail, literally.)

[jthefrank]

Originally Posted by Movie-Brat

It's the times. Not every decade is like the 80's nor is it supposed to be. Not to mention the 80's have their stupid fashions. Hell, they age horribly.

Sometimes that horribleness swings around to good again, like that song that plays during the menu (and closing credits) of Witchboard. Pure awesome '80s cheese

[Movie-Brat]

Originally Posted by jthefrank

I'm a huge Cronenberg fan (hell I even read the extra-dry Cronenberg on Cronenberg), but I've never considered most of his stuff especially subtle

There you go. Neither are better than each other in the subtlety department.

Originally Posted by EricJ

Yeah, eww, it's like OLD, like when they all had big hair and listened to Huey Lewis! Why does it just not, like, die?

Very funny. But 80's fashion still sucks. I hate nostalgia for that decade, judge everything from that decade by quality not stupid nostalgia.

Originally Posted by jthefrank

Sometimes that horribleness swings around to good again, like that song that plays during the menu (and closing credits) of Witchboard. Pure awesome '80s cheese

Here's a I thought, I don't care. 80's fashion dating horribly is still that.

[jthefrank]

Well I care

Lots of strong opinions in the last few pages

[zbinks]

Originally Posted by jthefrank

Lots of strong opinions in the last few pages

Ain't that the truth.

[Movie-Brat]

Originally Posted by jthefrank

Well I care

Lots of strong opinions in the last few pages

Make no mistake, I like 80's Horror whether they'd be the classics or trashy fun. But what I don't do is glorify them as this golden age of Horror. Golden Age of Slashers, okay; I get that but Horror itself? You guys do know the original Nosferatu, Dr. Caligari and the Universal Horror films exist right?

[demonknight]

Originally Posted by zbinks

Home video distribution rights and TV distribution rights are often different animals.

Yes. MGM also has TV distribution to Night of the Demons, Witchboard, and Sleepaway Camp 2&3, despite home video being with Kevin Tenney and Double Helix.