Scream Factory Blu-ray Discussion Thread - Page 3306 - Blu-ray Forum

MassiveMovieBuff · 10-09-2019, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by FelixFlankin

It's because in the past, they have been very good about updating consumers with the information. Lifeforce, Terror Train, etc. They don't owe us that courtesy, but it's always nice to know. Scream used to be a lot more customer oriented. Not so much these days.

Personally, I grab what I want when I can. If I really want a title, it's not usually five years later. But it's not a good look to mock other forum members because they don't want to miss out on a title they didn't get. I thought this place was about collecting and enjoying movies, not tearing each other down over business practices of these companies and other's buying habits.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying. A lot of it is most likely just venting. For years there's been a certain group of bullying forum members who try to shame and laugh at those of us who pay full retail price on a product while they wait years for it to go on sale. This current predicament is the unfortunate result of that. I'd be willing to bet it's a very big reason these titles are going OOP to begin with.

critterdvd · 10-09-2019, 04:19 PM

I agree with both sides of the coin, however If anything, I think announcing that a title is going OOP would make it sell out faster, thus leaving room in the warehouses for new product.

I myself spent about $100 in the past few days to pick up a few of the Scream/Kino titles that I've always meant to pick up, but never got around to it for one reason or another.

FelixFlankin · 10-09-2019, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MassiveMovieBuff

I agree with a lot of what you're saying. A lot of it is most likely just venting. For years there's been a certain group of bullying forum members who try to shame and laugh at those of us who pay full retail price on a product while they wait years for it to go on sale. This current predicament is the unfortunate result of that. I'd be willing to bet it's a very big reason these titles are going OOP to begin with.

It's very unfortunate. Shouldn't be any shame either way. But people are like that and difference becomes ugly.

But I do agree these titles are no doubt going out of print as a result of lack of sales. Nothing that's leaving so far is really a top tier title, so I don't doubt people have just waited and didn't really want them as bad as they do now. It's amazing what scarcity can do. I'm only really wanting The Sure Thing. Haha

Member-222782 · 10-09-2019, 04:38 PM

I think boutique labels can avoid the headaches of having to deal with overstock simply by conducting surveys asking people what they want to see released as opposed to just throwing titles out there to see what sticks. It's a simple enough solution and the only potential roadblock I see to doing this would be if labels acquire a package of titles that includes films that have very limited appeal, in which case they would have no choice but to release them. There's a lot of content out there that only a few people would be willing to spend upwards of $20 on. Obviously, competition from a dozen other boutiques plus studio product also factor into why some titles just don't sell. It's ironic, isn't it? The end of physical media has been predicted for years but labels are currently at each other's throats competing for movies.

vortexx · 10-09-2019, 05:09 PM

Video labels licence films for a preset amount of years. There are no indefinite licences unless they outright own the films. As a filmmaker who has a movie released by one of the companies that has a section on this forum I can tell you that deals are final based on what is agreed in the original contract. It can be a 5 year deal, a 7 year deal, etc. The labels are given an opportunity to sell off their overstock if they still have some after the period. If a label has a movie for 5 years, they pretty much sold as much of the title as they can hope. Renewing for another 5 years would mean low sales. It's not lack of sales that makes a title go out of print. It's the time frame of the licensing contract. For indie filmmakers, it's best to go to a new label after the contract is over as there will be new promotion etc. Sticking with the old label often means no new promotion and very little in royalties.

NeMo_ET · 10-09-2019, 05:45 PM

Guess it's time for me to stop slacking on Pumpkinhead and Lifeforce. Always wanted them, just keep procrastinating. Was hoping they would be cheaper than the $27CAD they're currently posted at but don't want to risk missing out. Outside of that, I think I have all the big MGM ones I want covered. Dolls...maybe Dolls. Maybe Garbage Pail Kids.

critterdvd · 10-09-2019, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by NeMo_ET

Guess it's time for me to stop slacking on Pumpkinhead and Lifeforce. Always wanted them, just keep procrastinating. Was hoping they would be cheaper than the $27CAD they're currently posted at but don't want to risk missing out. Outside of that, I think I have all the big MGM ones I want covered. Dolls...maybe Dolls. Maybe Garbage Pail Kids.

For what it's worth Dolls is probably one of my Top 5 releases from Scream. The 40 minute documentary and the director's commentary were fantastic, and it's always a fun movie to bring out when other Horror Fan films are around looking for something unusual to watch.

crikan · 10-09-2019, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by critterdvd

For what it's worth Dolls is probably one of my Top 5 releases from Scream. The 40 minute documentary and the director's commentary were fantastic, and it's always a fun movie to bring out when other Horror Fan films are around looking for something unusual to watch.

DOLLS was a pleasant surprise. As you said, the features are fantastic as well.

CRASHLANDING · 10-09-2019, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by vortexx

Video labels licence films for a preset amount of years. There are no indefinite licences unless they outright own the films. As a filmmaker who has a movie released by one of the companies that has a section on this forum I can tell you that deals are final based on what is agreed in the original contract. It can be a 5 year deal, a 7 year deal, etc. The labels are given an opportunity to sell off their overstock if they still have some after the period. If a label has a movie for 5 years, they pretty much sold as much of the title as they can hope. Renewing for another 5 years would mean low sales. It's not lack of sales that makes a title go out of print. It's the time frame of the licensing contract.

Very helpful insight. On top of this, keep in mind labels must also consider logistical concerns such as minimum production quantities, inventory space and storage costs, etc. If they are toward the end of their license window for a slower selling item, they aren't going to order another 500 or 1000 copies that might take years to sell. In those cases, some items could run out of stock earlier than the end of the license term. It's hardly an exact science, but those of us that wait for sale prices certainly should realize we're taking a risk on missing the item.

barsalou · 10-09-2019, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by NeMo_ET

Guess it's time for me to stop slacking on Pumpkinhead and Lifeforce. Always wanted them, just keep procrastinating. Was hoping they would be cheaper than the $27CAD they're currently posted at but don't want to risk missing out. Outside of that, I think I have all the big MGM ones I want covered. Dolls...maybe Dolls. Maybe Garbage Pail Kids.

Pumpkinhead is $20.89 free shipping on wowhd.ca right now, just snagged a copy!!

Zygmunt22 · 10-09-2019, 06:43 PM

Just my two cents, but it might be premature to start assuming certain MGM titles are going to go OOP. Might be best to wait and see which ones are marked as "Not available" at Shout's website before making purchases...Amazon and others will still have stock for a little while, so one won't have to worry about losing out on a title immediately. This might be a situation similar to what's happening over at Kino...certain titles nearing the end of their license aren't selling well enough to justify running off a new batch. Shout may have even a year or more on their license with some of these discontinued titles and just don't want to bother pressing any more.

Zygmunt22 · 10-09-2019, 06:46 PM

That being said...The Amityville Horror Trilogy set is also now listed as "Not Available" on Shout's site. :-(

BarnDoor · 10-09-2019, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Zygmunt22

That being said...The Amityville Horror Trilogy set is also now listed as "Not Available" on Shout's site. :-(

I do wonder if they might do restorations of at least the first two films, and release steelbooks, either separate ones or a new trilogy set. I'd be surprised if they let them go entirely.

Mikezilla3k · 10-09-2019, 06:58 PM

Why are so many of their titles going OOP?

Zygmunt22 · 10-09-2019, 07:06 PM

The more I think about it...the more I wonder if these titles aren't just going to be re-released by Scream in new editions...steelbooks or Collector's Editions with new scans. In the past, Shout/Scream always gave a heads up on titles they were losing due to rights issues...the Golden Harvest library, Vincent Price Volume 1, and even the first edition of Lifeforce because it had that one bonus feature. But perhaps the reason they're silent now is because they know these will be re-released and they don't want to be crucified by their fanbase for hyping discontinued product they know they'll be bringing back out on the market. It just kind of strains the imagination that they relicensed Ninja III...but not Invaders from Mars or the Amityville films. It seems more likely that, as they are selling out of these at their site, they list them as "Not Available", discontinue them...and then maybe make plans for a new edition. Maybe not with all these titles...after all, Incredible Melting Man has had a lot of mileage on it...but for several of them, I can see more units to be sold.

FForFake · 10-09-2019, 07:14 PM

Disturbing Behavior is also gone, apologies if I missed it earlier in the thread. They're dropping like flies!

crikan · 10-09-2019, 07:16 PM

More than just about any of their competitors, Shout's library consists of titles I'd feel pretty confident would get re-released. That is, as long psychical media doesn't truly die out soon. 80's horror well be the last viable genre in the waning days of physical media. But even Shout's non-horror titles tend to be well known genre films that are popular with enthusiasts.

NeMo_ET · 10-09-2019, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Zygmunt22

That being said...The Amityville Horror Trilogy set is also now listed as "Not Available" on Shout's site. :-(

That was one of my first Shout purchases (along with about 15 other titles). Definitely glad I bought it but if Shout doesn't end up re-releasing it I'm sure someone else will.

Thanks to the couple people that replied to my previous post in support of the movie Dolls. Going to look at it more closely now. Not much of a special features watcher but I'm more curious now.

ProfondoRosso · 10-09-2019, 07:19 PM

There’s a seller on Amazon with the AMITYVILLE box for only $15! I just nabbed one.

Kwyjibo · 10-09-2019, 07:21 PM

Hey Scream/Shout fans. Here to help you out knowing what MGM titles are OOP or going OOP soon, so get them while you can. Just so you don't freak out, Shout and MGM still have a strong relationship. However, as it's been noted in previous posts, licensing periods for films end, and if the sales aren't strong enough to warrant licensing them again, they go out of print. So get them where you can before you have to pay exorbitant prices for them!

Scream Factory
The Amityville Horror Trilogy
Blacula / Scream Blacula Scream
Carrie (2002) / Rage: Carrie 2
Dead Of Winter
Destroyer / Edge Of Sanity
Disturbing Behavior
Empire Of The Ants / Jaws Of Satan
The Food Of The Gods / Frogs
The Garbage Pail Kids Movie (Collector's Edition)
Ghost Town
Ghoulies / Ghoulies II
Howling II: Your Sister Is A Werewolf
I, Madman
The Incredible Melting Man
Invaders From Mars
Leviathan
New Year's Evil
Robot Jox
Scarecrows
Sleepaway Camp II: Unhappy Campers (Collector's Edition)
Sleepaway Camp III: Teenage Wasteland (Collector's Edition)
Stigmata
Swamp Thing
Tentacles / Reptilicus
Troll / Troll 2
Vampire's Kiss / High Spirits
The Vincent Price Collection II
Without Warning

Shout Factory
Bagdad Cafe (DVD)
Breathless
Day Of The Outlaw (DVD)
Doc (DVD)
Easy Money / Men At Work
Escape From Grizzly Mountain (DVD)
Hackers (20th Anniversary Edition)
The Hills Run Red / Apache (DVD)
The Pope Of Greenwich Village / Desperate Hours
Science Fiction Theatre: The Complete Series (DVD)
The Sure Thing (30th Anniversary)
War Films Triple Feature (Attack / Attack On The Iron Coast / Beach Red) (DVD)

10-09-2019, 04:19 PM	#66102
critterdvd Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Mar 2008 Location:Southern California 4K collection:430 Blu-ray collection:4051 DVD collection:2208 MA collection:983 Digital collection:192 iTunes collection:534 Prime collection:21 Trading Score:5	I agree with both sides of the coin, however If anything, I think announcing that a title is going OOP would make it sell out faster, thus leaving room in the warehouses for new product. I myself spent about $100 in the past few days to pick up a few of the Scream/Kino titles that I've always meant to pick up, but never got around to it for one reason or another.

10-09-2019, 04:38 PM	#66104
Member-222782 Blu-ray Archduke Member since:Jun 2012 4K collection:645 Blu-ray collection:4556 DVD collection:474 Trading Score:140	I think boutique labels can avoid the headaches of having to deal with overstock simply by conducting surveys asking people what they want to see released as opposed to just throwing titles out there to see what sticks. It's a simple enough solution and the only potential roadblock I see to doing this would be if labels acquire a package of titles that includes films that have very limited appeal, in which case they would have no choice but to release them. There's a lot of content out there that only a few people would be willing to spend upwards of $20 on. Obviously, competition from a dozen other boutiques plus studio product also factor into why some titles just don't sell. It's ironic, isn't it? The end of physical media has been predicted for years but labels are currently at each other's throats competing for movies.

10-09-2019, 05:09 PM	#66105
vortexx Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2015	Video labels licence films for a preset amount of years. There are no indefinite licences unless they outright own the films. As a filmmaker who has a movie released by one of the companies that has a section on this forum I can tell you that deals are final based on what is agreed in the original contract. It can be a 5 year deal, a 7 year deal, etc. The labels are given an opportunity to sell off their overstock if they still have some after the period. If a label has a movie for 5 years, they pretty much sold as much of the title as they can hope. Renewing for another 5 years would mean low sales. It's not lack of sales that makes a title go out of print. It's the time frame of the licensing contract. For indie filmmakers, it's best to go to a new label after the contract is over as there will be new promotion etc. Sticking with the old label often means no new promotion and very little in royalties.

10-09-2019, 05:45 PM	#66106
NeMo_ET Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jan 2013 Location:Canada 4K collection:38 Blu-ray collection:1392 DVD collection:94	Guess it's time for me to stop slacking on Pumpkinhead and Lifeforce. Always wanted them, just keep procrastinating. Was hoping they would be cheaper than the $27CAD they're currently posted at but don't want to risk missing out. Outside of that, I think I have all the big MGM ones I want covered. Dolls...maybe Dolls. Maybe Garbage Pail Kids.

10-09-2019, 06:43 PM	#66111
Zygmunt22 Special Member Member since:Aug 2019	Just my two cents, but it might be premature to start assuming certain MGM titles are going to go OOP. Might be best to wait and see which ones are marked as "Not available" at Shout's website before making purchases...Amazon and others will still have stock for a little while, so one won't have to worry about losing out on a title immediately. This might be a situation similar to what's happening over at Kino...certain titles nearing the end of their license aren't selling well enough to justify running off a new batch. Shout may have even a year or more on their license with some of these discontinued titles and just don't want to bother pressing any more.

10-09-2019, 06:46 PM	#66112
Zygmunt22 Special Member Member since:Aug 2019	That being said...The Amityville Horror Trilogy set is also now listed as "Not Available" on Shout's site. :-(

10-09-2019, 06:58 PM	#66114
Mikezilla3k Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Feb 2019 Location:Richmond, CA 4K collection:19 Blu-ray collection:268 DVD collection:305 MA collection:56 Digital collection:19 Trading Score:2	Why are so many of their titles going OOP?

10-09-2019, 07:06 PM	#66115
Zygmunt22 Special Member Member since:Aug 2019	The more I think about it...the more I wonder if these titles aren't just going to be re-released by Scream in new editions...steelbooks or Collector's Editions with new scans. In the past, Shout/Scream always gave a heads up on titles they were losing due to rights issues...the Golden Harvest library, Vincent Price Volume 1, and even the first edition of Lifeforce because it had that one bonus feature. But perhaps the reason they're silent now is because they know these will be re-released and they don't want to be crucified by their fanbase for hyping discontinued product they know they'll be bringing back out on the market. It just kind of strains the imagination that they relicensed Ninja III...but not Invaders from Mars or the Amityville films. It seems more likely that, as they are selling out of these at their site, they list them as "Not Available", discontinue them...and then maybe make plans for a new edition. Maybe not with all these titles...after all, Incredible Melting Man has had a lot of mileage on it...but for several of them, I can see more units to be sold.

10-09-2019, 07:14 PM	#66116
FForFake Senior Member Member since:Sep 2016 Location:Louisville, KY 4K collection:67 Blu-ray collection:137 DVD collection:1 Trading Score:123	Disturbing Behavior is also gone, apologies if I missed it earlier in the thread. They're dropping like flies!

10-09-2019, 07:16 PM	#66117
crikan Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Apr 2010 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:- Digital collection:- Prime collection:-	More than just about any of their competitors, Shout's library consists of titles I'd feel pretty confident would get re-released. That is, as long psychical media doesn't truly die out soon. 80's horror well be the last viable genre in the waning days of physical media. But even Shout's non-horror titles tend to be well known genre films that are popular with enthusiasts.

10-09-2019, 07:19 PM	#66119
ProfondoRosso Special Member Member since:May 2019 Blu-ray collection:471 DVD collection:2	There’s a seller on Amazon with the AMITYVILLE box for only $15! I just nabbed one.

10-09-2019, 07:21 PM	#66120
Kwyjibo Member Top contributor Member since:Jul 2010 Location:Andy Dufresne's Escape Hole 4K collection:235 Blu-ray collection:3523 DVD collection:89	Hey Scream/Shout fans. Here to help you out knowing what MGM titles are OOP or going OOP soon, so get them while you can. Just so you don't freak out, Shout and MGM still have a strong relationship. However, as it's been noted in previous posts, licensing periods for films end, and if the sales aren't strong enough to warrant licensing them again, they go out of print. So get them where you can before you have to pay exorbitant prices for them! Scream Factory The Amityville Horror Trilogy Blacula / Scream Blacula Scream Carrie (2002) / Rage: Carrie 2 Dead Of Winter Destroyer / Edge Of Sanity Disturbing Behavior Empire Of The Ants / Jaws Of Satan The Food Of The Gods / Frogs The Garbage Pail Kids Movie (Collector's Edition) Ghost Town Ghoulies / Ghoulies II Howling II: Your Sister Is A Werewolf I, Madman The Incredible Melting Man Invaders From Mars Leviathan New Year's Evil Robot Jox Scarecrows Sleepaway Camp II: Unhappy Campers (Collector's Edition) Sleepaway Camp III: Teenage Wasteland (Collector's Edition) Stigmata Swamp Thing Tentacles / Reptilicus Troll / Troll 2 Vampire's Kiss / High Spirits The Vincent Price Collection II Without Warning Shout Factory Bagdad Cafe (DVD) Breathless Day Of The Outlaw (DVD) Doc (DVD) Easy Money / Men At Work Escape From Grizzly Mountain (DVD) Hackers (20th Anniversary Edition) The Hills Run Red / Apache (DVD) The Pope Of Greenwich Village / Desperate Hours Science Fiction Theatre: The Complete Series (DVD) The Sure Thing (30th Anniversary) War Films Triple Feature (Attack / Attack On The Iron Coast / Beach Red) (DVD)

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