Netflix Turns Focus Back to Disc

[img eL]

Netflix is screwed, they signed off on there own death, they set the precedent of paying internet service providers to not "cut off" bandwidth to netflix users. Unless Netflix is buying up controling stocks of broadband companys they are toast

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Tok

I pay a lot for my triple play cable package. But a lot of Netflix customers pissed and moaned when they mentioned increasing pricing last time.

Tiered pricing is coming back at Netflix if they are going after A-list content and venturing more into producing their own programming.

Like I said, so? That is further entrenchment. Its like when cable first came out and someone said, they are going to increase the price and offer more and better content, there will be tiers. Did cable get bigger or smaller? And NetFlix has tiers of streaming now. An SD feed and a feed that offers more than two simultaneous streams. And Hulu is also producing unique content along with Crackle.

Here is another thing about streaming. The studios are getting more into it. Look at Warner Instant Archive. They have HD content not on Bluoray. Streaming may be the only source of HD for some content. Salem's Lot in HD on that website looked great.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by img eL

Netflix is screwed, they signed off on there own death, they set the precedent of paying internet service providers to not "cut off" bandwidth to netflix users. Unless Netflix is buying up controling stocks of broadband companys they are toast

I heard that when the Starz contract expired, NetFlix is dead. Still waiting. In the meantime they have what, 33 million subs worldwide.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

Who's talking forecasts?

That would be you...

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

Fact: Streaming members continue to grow. The latest forecast is for NetFlix to have 60-90 million subscribers in 10 years.

Funny how quickly "we" forget what "we" just posted a few hours ago, huh?

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

Has Blockbuster closed? Has rentals at Redbox dropped? Has Redbox turned to streaming? Has NetFlix traffic surpassed YouTube? Yeah, you are wrong, these aren't forecasts, this is current affairs.

YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT THE 60/40 QUOTE, PERIOD. END OF STORY. DO NOT PASS GO, DO NOT COLLECT $200.

You keep dodging the issue that I am pointing to by deflecting to these other points. At no point in this conversation have I denied any of that. At no point have I stated that the general trend is otherwise. So, no, I have not been wrong in that respect.

Have I stated that digital isn't growing? No.

Have I said that digital is suddenly going to do a 180, shrink, with some huge, major rise of physical media that will vastly surpass that of it's all time high sales? No.

Did I say that Blockbuster is still in business, and/or that Redbox isn't going to streaming? No.

Have I agreed with the general trend that digital is growing? Yes.

So, no, at no point during this conversation have I said anything that contradicts the precious "trend" that you put so much stock into so much so that apparently that it apparently no longer matters if people present facts and statistics in a vastly false manner so long as they are roughly in the ballpark of matching up with the general trend (2+2=4? Eh, doesn't matter, 3 and 5 are both "close enough" answers now, apparently ).

You, however, HAVE overstated the degree to which digital currently has a foothold by misinterpreting the 60/40 statement in the article that you were using as your main point in your recent reply to Steedeel (assuming it was about digital vs physical media when it was really about online vs physical retail), went on to state that I was wrong in how I interpreted that data, which I wasn't... you tried to use Vargo's article to prove that I am wrong, when in reality it contradicted what you said (specifically the statistics... I'm not talking about the "trend" here)... you later implied that because I started my statement with "as far as I can tell" means that I must somehow be wrong..... I then broke it down point by point in as simple and straight forward of a manner as humanly possible, and you still refuse to admit that ON THIS PARTICULAR POINT, You were WRONG.

That's it. No more "trends," no more deflections.

The only acceptable reply to this post from you is to address your statement about the 60/40 quote head on, as my initial reply to you today was questioning your interpretation of that data. No more, no less.

I didn't reply saying that you are wrong about the trends. I didn't reply saying that you are crazy for thinking that digital is growing. I replied questioning this aspect, and ever since you have told me that I'm wrong about everything else that I have otherwise agreed with you on, and have constantly and repeatedly deflected from this, clinging to your trends, which at no point did I ever friggin' disagree with!

So, I reiterate, the only acceptable response to this post from you is to address your interpretation of that quote head on, as that's been the only thing that I was significantly disagreeing with you on today. And given the evidence presented, there is really no other option than for you to admit that you were wrong on your interpretation of THAT PARTICULAR DATA.

If you are unable to do that, then DO NOT reply to me any further, since you are apparently unable to simply admit when you made a mistake, and apparently cannot function as a human being on the most basic of levels.

[slick1ru2]

More facts. The 4 largest retailers selling Blu-rays in the US have set up their own streaming services, Target, Wal-mart, Amazon and Best Buy. Fact, NetFlix has had to shut down distribution centers in the past year.

And jumping up and down over something doesn't mean these facts are going away.

[Tok]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

Like I said, so? That is further entrenchment. Its like when cable first came out and someone said, they are going to increase the price and offer more and better content, there will be tiers. Did cable get bigger or smaller? And NetFlix has tiers of streaming now. An SD feed and a feed that offers more than two simultaneous streams. And Hulu is also producing unique content along with Crackle.



Here is another thing about streaming. The studios are getting more into it. Look at Warner Instant Archive. They have HD content not on Bluoray. Streaming may be the only source of HD for some content. Salem's Lot in HD on that website looked great.

Warner Archive is a joke. Few people even know it exists. Just an example of the fragmentation of the service provider market.

[img eL]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

More facts. The 4 largest retailers selling Blu-rays in the US have set up their own streaming services, Target, Wal-mart, Amazon and Best Buy. Fact, NetFlix has had to shut down distribution centers in the past year.

Your not getting it, Netflix is not in a battle with Blu ray, Netflix rents out Blu ray disc's. Netflix is in the fight of there life with Broadband service providers which want to steal Netflix's streaming business away from them & take it over. If anything Blu ray is helping Netflix stay in the fight

[Dynamo of Eternia]

But on the subject of streaming services...

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

More facts. The 4 largest retailers selling Blu-rays in the US have set up their own streaming services, Target, Wal-mart, Amazon and Best Buy. Fact, NetFlix has had to shut down distribution centers in the past year.

While this is of course further evidence and proof of the trends that you cling to like they are a Victoria Secret model, I don't see how this is a good thing.

This is just more fragmentation of the streaming market.

While competition is a good thing, too many similar services can have a negative effect.

Having a handful of streaming services like Netflix, Hulu, Redbox, etc. is okay. But now you have too many people offering essentially the same thing. Each may have a handful of movies/programs that the others don't, while otherwise having a lot of crossover content.

Now you add in several retailer-specific services into the mix and it just dilutes things that much more. This isn't the same thing as shopping around at different store ads for the best price on a Blu-Ray. This is an ongoing service.

People are going to maybe pick one or a couple of them, but they won't sign up for them all simultaneously (at least not most people). Those who do, especially in the wake of cutting their cable cords, may end up paying the same money just to have several similar services to get whatever small handful of content each of them has that the other doesn't.

"Store specific" streaming services just doesn't make much sense as a business model IMO.

[Tok]

CinemaNow is tanking for BBY. Target's service won't be much better.

Vudu is successful because of UV and their WM parent.

Customers want consolidation in the the market. That was the whole idea behind UV to try to make the market seem less fragmented. If I buy a movie through Vudu I have access to it through any UV provider. Too bad the implementation is ass.

Again I don't mind cloud as a secondary viewing option, but there's no way the studios can realistically think they can sell a cloud copy for the same price as an A-list new release Blu-ray. Your a fool if your paying that much for a cloud only copy.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by img eL

Your not getting it, Netflix is not in a battle with Blu ray, Netflix rents out Blu ray disc's. Netflix is in the fight of there life with Broadband service providers which want to steal Netflix's streaming business away from them & take it over. If anything Blu ray is helping Netflix stay in the fight

Have we learned nothing from network sitcoms? Every little squabble is just one more step toward the bedroom.

Maybe not this season. Maybe not next season.

But it's gonna happen.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Tok

CinemaNow is tanking for BBY. Target's service won't be much better.

Vudu is successful because of UV and their WM parent.

Customers want consolidation in the the market. That was the whole idea behind UV to try to make the market seem less fragmented. If I buy a movie through Vudu I have access to it through any UV provider. Too bad the implementation is ass.

Again I don't mind cloud as a secondary viewing option, but there's no way the studios can realistically think they can sell a cloud copy for the same price as an A-list new release Blu-ray. Your a fool if your paying that much for a cloud only copy.

This!

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

So? I've paid up to $175/month for satellite TV. It could triple and I'd still subscribe and so would many others. And the selection is better than it was 6 months back, especially after the Epix and Weinstein agreements.

lol, the cable/satellite TV companies are in PANIC mode because people are leaving those expensive models in DROVES. the days of packaged cable TV bundles at ridiculous prices are at an end and they are panicking trying to find new ways of revenue.

[rickah88]

This thread is funny. Has been, and always will be.

[Tok]

Originally Posted by img eL

Your not getting it, Netflix is not in a battle with Blu ray, Netflix rents out Blu ray disc's. Netflix is in the fight of there life with Broadband service providers which want to steal Netflix's streaming business away from them & take it over. If anything Blu ray is helping Netflix stay in the fight

Between my Amazon Prime and my Xfinity Cable and streaming options on top on my BD collection I really don't need Netflix.

The streaming service with Prime is just a little extra gravy in the grand scheme of my viewing habits.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

So? I've paid up to $175/month for satellite TV. It could triple and I'd still subscribe and so would many others. And the selection is better than it was 6 months back, especially after the Epix and Weinstein agreements.

You honestly think that the average person can afford to (let alone be happily willing to) spend over $500 a month on cable/satellite TV? If you think cord cutting is getting bad now, let them raise their prices that high and see what happens. A lot of the cable-only channels would go out of business for lack of viewership.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by img eL

Your not getting it, Netflix is not in a battle with Blu ray, Netflix rents out Blu ray disc's. Netflix is in the fight of there life with Broadband service providers which want to steal Netflix's streaming business away from them & take it over. If anything Blu ray is helping Netflix stay in the fight

You aren't the one getting it. Netflix is closing distrubution centers because their customers are switching to streaming.

http://articles.courant.com/2013-08-...y-dvd-business

http://missoulian.com/news/state-and...9bb2963f4.html

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

You honestly think that the average person can afford to (let alone be happily willing to) spend over $500 a month on cable/satellite TV? If you think cord cutting is getting bad now, let them raise their prices that high and see what happens. A lot of the cable-only channels would go out of business for lack of viewership.

3x $7.99. Duh. Like I said, chill out.

[Tok]

Originally Posted by wormraper

lol, the cable/satellite TV companies are in PANIC mode because people are leaving those expensive models in DROVES. the days of packaged cable TV bundles at ridiculous prices are at an end and they are panicking trying to find new ways of revenue.

I agree cable is done for. The only reason for it anymore is for many live sporting events. The scary thing though is I fear we will be paying more if cable goes away. The beauty if cable is that it offset the costs to keep lower viewed channels going. If it goes to some a la carte pricing scheme through the broadband prices for everything will go up.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

3x $7.99. Duh. Like I said, chill out.

Ah, I see. I misunderstood your other post. I thought you were referring to cable/satellite prices tripling.

(Now watch this next part, you just might learn something)...

I admit that I misunderstood your post, made a mistake, and was wrong in how I interpreted it.

As a fully functioning, adult human being, I am capable of admitting when I am wrong about something, as I was in this case.

You might want to give it a try sometime.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Tok

CinemaNow is tanking for BBY. Target's service won't be much better.

Vudu is successful because of UV and their WM parent.

Customers want consolidation in the the market. That was the whole idea behind UV to try to make the market seem less fragmented. If I buy a movie through Vudu I have access to it through any UV provider. Too bad the implementation is ass.

Again I don't mind cloud as a secondary viewing option, but there's no way the studios can realistically think they can sell a cloud copy for the same price as an A-list new release Blu-ray. Your a fool if your paying that much for a cloud only copy.

How's Amazon doing?