Netflix Turns Focus Back to Disc

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Does this mean that I can't post in your new thread?

Of course you can, just not about streaming!

[Toptube]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

You say "potentially". Have you ever done it?

This " (assuming I watch them within 20 hours of receiving)." was to imply that I have done it/do it on a regular basis. As long as I watch each movie within about 1 day, I can hit 8 movies per month.

11 seems pretty exceptional. I'm not surprise they balance/throttle for that sort of turnaround.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Toptube

This " (assuming I watch them within 20 hours of receiving)." was to imply that I have done it/do it on a regular basis. As long as I watch each movie within about 1 day, I can hit 8 movies per month.

11 seems pretty exceptional. I'm not surprise they balance/throttle for that sort of turnaround.

Pretty good. I only had around a 6 hour window. I received the rental by mail around 10 A.M. and had to get it back to the Post Office before 5 P.M.

And your plan is mail only or does in include streaming? Do they ship from the same distribution center each time? With me, they started shipping from distant centers that resulted in a week or more delay in delivery.

[Steedeel]

Why have Netflix removed the new releases and recently added section from the home screen? Is this a consequence of losing a lot of content recently?

[slick1ru2]

Having a blast looking at all the different NetFlix country offerings via high speed VPN. Homeland season 1 and 2 here, Taken 2 there, The Butler in another country, etc etc.

But it only works if you have streaming ONLY.

Watch any country version of Netflix! US, GB, CANADA! Easy! - YouTube

or http://www.unblock-us.com/

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

Having a blast looking at all the different NetFlix country offerings via high speed VPN. Homeland season 1 and 2 here, Taken 2 there, The Butler in another country, etc etc.

But it only works if you have streaming ONLY.

Watch any country version of Netflix! US, GB, CANADA! Easy! - YouTube

or http://www.unblock-us.com/

The word on the street in the UK is that people are disillusioned about lack of new content and are switching back to dvd. Figures IMO, back that rumour up. Disc sales are good in UK at moment.

[vargo]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

The word on the street in the UK is that people are disillusioned about lack of new content and are switching back to dvd. Figures IMO, back that rumour up. Disc sales are good in UK at moment.

Where are these figures?

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

The word on the street in the UK is that people are disillusioned about lack of new content and are switching back to dvd. Figures IMO, back that rumour up. Disc sales are good in UK at moment.

Would that be your street? UK Netflix got worldwide phenomenons American Horror Story and Homeland along with Sherlock and the new Dr. Who last month alone.

And subs when up by over 500k in the past 6 months.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by vargo

Where are these figures?

Thin air?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...-revenues.html

Netflix, Spotify and other streaming services have helped to boost the UK home entertainment sector's revenues to £5.3 billion, according to new figures.

Figures released by the Entertainment Retailers Association (ERA) found around 60 per cent of video, games and music sales were internet-derived. The other 40 per cent was generated by physical high street shops.

The revenue of streaming services Netflix, Lovefilm and Spotify, alongside in-app purchases for games including Angry Birds and Moshi Monsters grew to 26 per cent.

The video-on-demand service sector grew by 120 per cent on the year, making it the fastest-growing area of the home entertainment market.

Netflix now reportedly has exceeded two million subscribers in the UK since its launch in 2012, and has over 33 million global users.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by vargo

Where are these figures?

I will see if I can dig them out. You do know I am talking dvd and bluray sales just to be clear?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

Thin air?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...-revenues.html

Have you seen the bluray sales for the last two weeks alone?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

Would that be your street? UK Netflix got worldwide phenomenons American Horror Story and Homeland along with Sherlock and the new Dr. Who last month alone.

And subs when up by over 500k in the past 6 months.

They also lost a big heap of shows at the turn of the year. A BIG heap!

Besides, I have already seen the shows you mentioned in nice crisp bluray quality. Old hat, move along!

[Steedeel]

Netflix, in my opinion, is just going to end up as someone's b.i.t.c.h. I think that is obvious. It looks like streaming tech is heading exactly where I thought it was. SD streams on little screens where the quality doesn't really matter. Great for kids but for people who like their entertainment without getting a headache pretty useless. Look at the Disney deal with Dish. The future focus will be personal subscriptions on (in my opinion) smartphones. Same for netflix with their cheap as chips SD only offering ( might as well be called smartphone option). If you are into watching all your content on a smartphone then I suppose that's great. Anyone else, well quality is going bye bye. If you ain't got 20/20 vision then you are screwed.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Netflix, in my opinion, is just going to end up as someone's b.i.t.c.h. I think that is obvious. It looks like streaming tech is heading exactly where I thought it was. SD streams on little screens where the quality doesn't really matter. Great for kids but for people who like their entertainment without getting a headache pretty useless. Look at the Disney deal with Dish. The future focus will be personal subscriptions on (in my opinion) smartphones. Same for netflix with their cheap as chips SD only offering ( might as well be called smartphone option). If you are into watching all your content on a smartphone then I suppose that's great. Anyone else, well quality is going bye bye. If you ain't got 20/20 vision then you are screwed.

You did see that in the UK streaming content made up for 60% of last year's entertainment numbers, physical media was 40% of last years £5.3 billion industry sales. Last I checked 60>40. Not to mention grow rates of over 100%.

You bias isn't shared by the majority. NetFlix subs have grown over 500K in the UK alone in the past 6 months.

Your feelings don't jive with facts like in this January 2014 article.

http://www.worldtvpc.com/blog/blu-ra...ng-takes-hold/

Disc sales down almost a billion dollars from 2012 to 2013 while digital rentals up 39%.

[slick1ru2]

http://variety.com/2014/biz/news/dig...13-1201033986/

Digital Sales Show Biggest Home Entertainment Gains in 2013

U.S. home video spending rose nearly 1 per cent to $18.2 billion in 2013, the second straight year of growth as higher spending on video streaming subscriptions and digital purchases offset the decline in DVDs.

- See more at: http://www.courierislander.com/us-ho....7EmveDP5.dpuf

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

http://variety.com/2014/biz/news/dig...13-1201033986/

Digital Sales Show Biggest Home Entertainment Gains in 2013



- See more at: http://www.courierislander.com/us-ho....7EmveDP5.dpuf

We could all pick and choose articles that paints our opposite views in a positive light. Digital sales grew because they were so pitiful that it couldn't really go any other way for example.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

You did see that in the UK streaming content made up for 60% of last year's entertainment numbers, physical media was 40% of last years £5.3 billion industry sales. Last I checked 60>40. Not to mention grow rates of over 100%.

You bias isn't shared by the majority. NetFlix subs have grown over 500K in the UK alone in the past 6 months.

Your feelings don't jive with facts like in this January 2014 article.

http://www.worldtvpc.com/blog/blu-ra...ng-takes-hold/

Disc sales down almost a billion dollars from 2012 to 2013 while digital rentals up 39%.

So how do you address the quality issues? Or the fact streaming is being moulded into a smartphone only thing? I always assumed you strived for high quality with your streaming media? I have said along streaming represents low quality on crappy little screens. Recent developments back that up.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

You did see that in the UK streaming content made up for 60% of last year's entertainment numbers, physical media was 40% of last years £5.3 billion industry sales. Last I checked 60>40. Not to mention grow rates of over 100%.

Are you sure that you aren't misinterpreting that data? This was the exact quote from that article, which you put in an earlier post:

Figures released by the Entertainment Retailers Association (ERA) found around 60 per cent of video, games and music sales were internet-derived. The other 40 per cent was generated by physical high street shops.

Unless I'm missing something, that doesn't sound like a specific break down of digital media (i.e. streaming, digital download) versus physical media (i.e. discs). It sounds more like the method of purchase being internet based as opposed to being from a physical store location. It appears to be worded in a very misleading way to make it sound like digital media is vastly leading over physical media, when that doesn't really seem to be the case.

Someone ordering a DVD or Blu-Ray from Amazon, for example, would likely be counted as an "internet-derived" purchase, based on how this is worded... but of course so would a purchase of a digital download. So that 60% is probably some kind of mix between physical and digital. But we don't know for sure which of the two it leans in favor of based on this data.

As for the 40% from stores, while I suppose some of those could potentially be digital sales (by way of itunes cards, PSN/XBL/PC-game related download cards, and so on... assuming they count those as physical store sales of digital media), odds are the vast majority of that 40% is made up of physical media purchases since that's what dominates in physical stores. So between these two, odds are physical media still likely makes up the majority of sales. But they opt not to specify those percentages.

Also, while the article goes on to talk about Video-On-Demand and streaming services, I believe those are completely separate statements and I don't think that they are specifically counted in that 60/40 quote. That quote is referring to SALES... as in you flat out buy a movie, song/album, or a game either on physical media or via digital download. VOD and streaming services are just that... services, the equivalent of rental. They would not count in sales tracking data.


While I'm sure that streaming services and other digital distribution methods are likely more popular and doing better than Steedeel is trying to make it sound, I also don't think that they are making up anywhere near the percentage of the market that you are trying to make it seem, either.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

We could all pick and choose articles that paints our opposite views in a positive light. Digital sales grew because they were so pitiful that it couldn't really go any other way for example.

You can't post one fact, only feelings. I didn't post articles, I posted sales figures.

Fact: Streaming sales are up, physical media down this past year
Fact: Streaming killed Blockbuster
Fact: Redbox has seen declines, so much its having to branch out into, get this,STREAMING
Fact: Streaming members continue to grow. The latest forecast is for NetFlix to have 60-90 million subscribers in 10 years.
Fact: While Streaming isn't Blu-ray quality, the quality of streaming content is always increasing and closing the gap. The next codec on the horizon is going to really bring the difference closer.

Pull your head out of the sand. Streaming is growing worldwide, like it or not. Fact, physical media is down, like it or not.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

You can't post one fact, only feelings. I didn't post articles, I posted sales figures.

Fact: Streaming sales are up, physical media down this past year
Fact: Streaming killed Blockbuster
Fact: Redbox has seen declines, so much its having to branch out into, get this,STREAMING
Fact: Streaming members continue to grow. The latest forecast is for NetFlix to have 60-90 million subscribers in 10 years.
Fact: While Streaming isn't Blu-ray quality, the quality of streaming content is always increasing and closing the gap. The next codec on the horizon is going to really bring the difference closer.

Pull your head out of the sand. Streaming is growing worldwide, like it or not. Fact, physical media is down, like it or not.

Bluray is not down but you probably know that already.
The new codec will also allow better quality on disc, a world apart from ANYTHING streaming will offer.
Those data caps aren't increasing are they?