List of UHDs that contain HDR10+

[Nothing371]

Originally Posted by andreasy969

I still don't get why HDR10+ even became a thing and why they are wasting resources on this. (and are confusing and imo even misleading consumers)

Yeah man, it's almost like these companies don't actually care about us!

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

New:

Any info on why you think this has hdr10+?

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

The only obstacle here is not one of technology at all, it's about corporate stubbornness (a kind euphemism for greed )

Well in this case it's Samsung tilting at windmills here, trying to force their own standard on the marketplace.

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by Leonidas_King

So I have it then! Thank you for the info. Very helpful.

No you don't, LG TVs can't decode HDR10+ metadata. Only Samsung and Panasonic

[TitusTroy]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

No you don't, LG TVs can't decode HDR10+ metadata. Only Samsung and Panasonic

LG's implementation is an unofficial HDR10+ workaround...

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by TitusTroy

LG's implementation is an unofficial HDR10+ workaround...

Workaround?? There's no workaround, you can decode metadata or you can't..... LG doesn't support HDR10+

[MisterXDTV]

https://www.thehdroom.com/bluray/we-...-hdr10-119898/

HDR10+ confirmed

[TitusTroy]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

Workaround?? There's no workaround, you can decode metadata or you can't..... LG doesn't support HDR10+

again...it's not 'officially' HDR10+ but it's LG's version of standard HDR10 with dynamic metadata

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by TitusTroy

again...it's not 'officially' HDR10+ but it's LG's version of standard HDR10 with dynamic metadata

Again, LG version is not HDR10+. We are talking about a specific standard here.

If Fox starts releasing discs with the HDR10+ metadata packet, the player AND the display have to be able to decode them...

If they aren't, you are not actually "watching" in HDR10+. You are watching the base HDR10 layer processed by the display.....

[TitusTroy]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

Again, LG version is not HDR10+. We are talking about a specific standard here.

If Fox starts releasing discs with the HDR10+ metadata packet, the player AND the display have to be able to decode them...

If they aren't, you are not actually "watching" in HDR10+

HDR10 is static metadata...HDR10+ is dynamic metadata...LG added an Active HDR feature which adds dynamic metadata to HDR10...it's a great forward way of thinking by LG...it will look better then standard HDR10 but again is not officially HDR10+ and LG owners (like me) will not get that official pop-up on the screen that says 'HDR10+'...either way LG should be applauded for this

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by TitusTroy

HDR10 is static metadata...HDR10+ is dynamic metadata...LG added an Active HDR feature which adds dynamic metadata to HDR10...it's a great forward way of thinking by LG...it will look better then standard HDR10 but again is not officially HDR10+ and LG owners (like me) will not get that official pop-up on the screen that says 'HDR10+'...either way LG should be applauded for this

Except it's not "metadata" that LG is doing. It's dynamically changing the picture based on existing HDR10 data. It will ignore the HDR10+ data. Sony does something similar.

[TitusTroy]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Except it's not "metadata" that LG is doing. It's dynamically changing the picture based on existing HDR10 data. It will ignore the HDR10+ data. Sony does something similar.

yes I keep saying it's not HDR10+ but it's a better implementation of HDR10...and that's better then not having Active HDR on the display...it's almost like LG has created their own version of HDR10+

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Except it's not "metadata" that LG is doing. It's dynamically changing the picture based on existing HDR10 data. It will ignore the HDR10+ data. Sony does something similar.

Exactly, LG is reinventing the wheel here.

It has nothing to do with HDR10+ that is the subject of this topic

You can't have HDR10+ if the display and/or the player ignore the HDR10+ metadata

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by TitusTroy

yes I keep saying it's not HDR10+ but it's a better implementation of HDR10...and that's better then not having Active HDR on the display...it's almost like LG has created their own version of HDR10+

But you keep using the term "metadata" - metadata is additional data embedded in the source video stream (Dolby Vision or HDR10+) that, when decoded by a compatible display, instructs the TV on how to display the HDR on a scene by scene or shot by shot basis. What you were talking about is internal processing. LG and Sony have their own algorithms to process incoming HDR10 material and dynamically adjust them.

Just an FYI.

[TitusTroy]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

But you keep using the term "metadata" - metadata is additional data embedded in the source video stream (Dolby Vision or HDR10+) that, when decoded by a compatible display, instructs the TV on how to display the HDR on a scene by scene or shot by shot basis. What you were talking about is internal processing. LG and Sony have their own algorithms to process incoming HDR10 material and dynamically adjust them.

if I'm watching a UHD Blu-ray that has an HDR10+ implementation, how much of a difference will there be in terms of picture quality using my LG C7 with Active HDR and someone else using a Samsung display with native HDR10+ support?...in other words, if there are any differences how significant are they?...I know with LG I won't get the pop-up notification on the top right of the screen saying 'HDR10+' but I'm curious how close the quality is to the 'real' native implementation

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by TitusTroy

if I'm watching a UHD Blu-ray that has an HDR10+ implementation, how much of a difference will there be in terms of picture quality using my LG C7 with Active HDR and someone else using a Samsung display with native HDR10+ support?...in other words, if there are any differences how significant are they?...I know with LG I won't get the pop-up notification on the top right of the screen saying 'HDR10+' but I'm curious how close the quality is to the 'real' native implementation

It depends on the tone-mapping of the set. Dolby Vision has better tone-mapping than some TVs/players, but the different can be slight or massive depending on the setup. The tone-mapping of LG OLEDs from 2017 and up is supposed to be pretty good, so I doubt it makes a massive difference.

Dolby Vision also has 12-bit encoding, which can help with banding, but I'm not sure if HDR 10+ does.

[jibucha]

differences?

• very close (differences are essentially irrelevant)
  
• whatever the end result differences are, 'i expect' they're both solving the HDR10 static metadata problem(s) to improve picture quality
  
• HDR10+ :: using dynamic metadata, to improve picture quality, as inherently restrictive by HDR10 static metadata
  
• Active HDR :: using it's display processor, without using dynamic metadata, to improve picture quality, as inherently restrictive by HDR10 static metadata)
  
• the 'only real difference' is whether the solution is embedded into the content, thus a 'specific manufacturer' end result/solution, or whether the display manufacturer is solving the problem in the display/processor/processing; specifically
  
• my bet? (LG has a significant history relative to HDR, unlike any other display manufacturer, universally supporting HDR formats from the beginning - this, with their ever-improving processor/software, is that 'their' implementation would be superior, with the opportunity to improve picture quality performance (HDR10/static metadata/the basic HDR), over time as they 'might' determine, as their solution is with the possibility to improve in-time, unlike the HDR10+ approach, as it is 'baked-into' the content being time-locked, along with individual display manufacturer variables as well)
  
• so, i expect that the non-HDR10+ approach/solution to the HDR10 limitations is essentially pro-actively solved, with "how close the quality is to the 'real' native implementation" forever debatable, yet strangely in favor of the display manufacturer resolution
  
• if it's unclear; i find your insights/posts essentially correct and informative, highlighting in an unbiased informative manner - thank you
  
  

original post - - edited 12/5/18 @ 5pm CST


very close (differences are essentially irrelevant)

whatever the end result differences are, they're both solving the HDR10 static metadata problem by creating the dynamic metadata to improve picture quality

the 'only real difference' is whether the solution is embedded into the content, thus a 'specific manufacturer' end result/solution, or whether the display manufacturer is solving the problem in the display specifically

my bet? (LG has a significant history relative to HDR, unlike any other display manufacturer, universally supporting HDR formats from the beginning - this, with their ever-improving processor/software, is that 'their' implementation would be superior, with the opportunity to improve picture quality performance (HDR10/static metadata/the basic HDR), over time as they 'might' determine, as the solution is with the possibility to improve, unlike the HDR10+ approach, as it is 'baked-into' the content, along with individual display manufacturer variables as well)

so, i expect that the non-HDR10+ approach/solution to the HDR10 limitations is essentially pro-actively solved, with "how close the quality is to the 'real' native implementation" forever debatable, yet strangely in favor of the display manufacturer resolution

if it's unclear; i find your insights/posts essentially correct and informative, highlighting in an unbiased informative manner - thank you

Originally Posted by TitusTroy

if I'm watching a UHD Blu-ray that has an HDR10+ implementation, how much of a difference will there be in terms of picture quality using my LG C7 with Active HDR and someone else using a Samsung display with native HDR10+ support?...in other words, if there are any differences how significant are they?...I know with LG I won't get the pop-up notification on the top right of the screen saying 'HDR10+' but I'm curious how close the quality is to the 'real' native implementation

[gkolb]

It’s hard to know an unknown. The first HDR10+ discs are being released soon , but until someone does an objective (or probably subjective) head to head comparison between these two displays, and reports back on it, we will never know.

I have the same display as Peter, and Sony’s algorithm makes HDR10 generally look fantastic.

If HDR10+ ever gains REAL traction, and not just 3-6 disc releases, perhaps next generation displays will include Dolby Vision and HDR10 +. The thing is that as displays get higher and higher nit capabilities, the need for dynamic metadata decreases. CES 2019 is just around the corner, the prototype displays often show improvements that will end up in production models in the future.

[jibucha]

it 'might be helpful' (HDR10 is 'definitely' only 10-bit, with other significant limitations when compared specifically to Dolby Vision)

good points

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

It depends on the tone-mapping of the set. Dolby Vision has better tone-mapping than some TVs/players, but the different can be slight or massive depending on the setup. The tone-mapping of LG OLEDs from 2017 and up is supposed to be pretty good, so I doubt it makes a massive difference.

Dolby Vision also has 12-bit encoding, which can help with banding, but I'm not sure if HDR 10+ does.

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by jibucha

it 'might be helpful' (HDR10 is 'definitely' only 10-bit, with other significant limitations when compared specifically to Dolby Vision)

good points

Sony Super Bit Mapping does 14-bit internally so I'm not worried about banding at all. 10 bit vs 12 bit is a non-issue