Wow I'm glad I waited to buy my 4k UHD TV

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I don’t think you’ve seen enough samples in a proper viewing environment in order to make an informed judgment, but be that as it may, I do empathize with your concern in regards to HDR remastering of ‘old films’….especially given past misleading statements bordering on outright lies by some Hollywood studio executives with regards to other (non-HDR) remastering projects….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ve#post9553148

But mike, can we ? please be a bit more open minded, or at least HDR-friendly and not disparaging, regarding HDR grading and mastering for new films having honest direct filmmaker involvement, for they appear to like the new tool…https://vimeo.com/123370017?adbsc=so...adbpr=15851618

Good points.

Personally, HDR is just like any other tool. Technically, it is a wonderful concept. More dynamic range on the display side means you are getting closer to what was captured on the original film or digital camera.

But, like anything, it can be abused. DNR, used very, very, very (sense a trend? ) sparingly, can help an image. As we know, movies look like garbage if overused. I suppose HDR could be abused, too, if it was utilized to "jack up" the contrast in an older movie to the point where it doesn't look at all what it's supposed to.

Keep in mind that SDR displays also mess up contrast. They lessen it severely compared to the source. We are just used to it.

When I got my VT30 plasma TV, at first I didn't like it compared to my CRT 1080i projection TV. It looked a bit flatter and the blacks weren't as deep. Then, eventually, I realized I was just used to the way my CRT HDTV looked, and while it beats the pants off of any LCD source I've ever seen, the plasma image was far superior once I gave it a chance.

Hey, I used to think vinyl was for fools. Now, it's pretty much all I listen to.

Keep an open mind! You might be pleasantly surprised. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I don’t think you’ve seen enough samples in a proper viewing environment in order to make an informed judgment, but be that as it may, I do empathize with your concern in regards to HDR remastering of ‘old films’….especially given past misleading statements bordering on outright lies by some Hollywood studio executives with regards to other (non-HDR) remastering projects….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ve#post9553148

But mike, can we ? please be a bit more open minded, or at least HDR-friendly and not disparaging, regarding HDR grading and mastering for new films having honest direct filmmaker involvement, for they appear to like the new tool…https://vimeo.com/123370017?adbsc=so...adbpr=15851618

I just won't mention it again

[Geoff D]

Yeah, right.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by singhcr

...Keep an open mind! You might be pleasantly surprised. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

The problem with leading too far ahead of the pack is being mistaken for the enemy.

Always best to keep an open mind.

[dvdmike]

There is a point where keeping an open mind turns into not liking something.
I had an open mind before I tried sushi, and now I know I don't like it.

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

There is a point where keeping an open mind turns into not liking something.
I had an open mind before I tried sushi, and now I know I don't like it.

Those are very good points. I agree.

When the HDR version of Lawrence comes out, you might be impressed then. If you gave it a chance with a classic film that you like and you still don't like it, I guess that's just your preference. We still like you here.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

There is a point where keeping an open mind turns into not liking something.
I had an open mind before I tried sushi, and now I know I don't like it.

Heck mike, first few times I tried single-malt Scotch, I disliked it. I realize you probably can’t get to any of the pro shows over here in the U.S., but next year see if you can attend the BSC Expo and you may just change your mind.

My only real reservation to HDR would be if this scenario were to come to pass - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post10613291 i.e. a nits race leading to and resulting in an early demise of OLED.

[4K fanatic]

Nice little write up

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/286-la...1838569?page=1

[Penton-Man]

Consumer shows like CES definitely help, but for some historical background, HDR content has been exhibited for a long time now at professional shows as well as at special invitation-only events in the L.A. area (similar to the Alexa 65 being shown to a select group of invited guests in Hollywood last year ). Good to see that social media writers are finally picking up on the HDR value part of the UHD recipe…..something that we’ve been discussing and writing about here for over 2 years….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ry#post7325076

With details like cutting edge heads-up alerts (from over 6 months ago) to an open standard (2084) finalized in order to efficiently achieve that dynamic range…..https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ar#post9754213

Along with continuing updates from the field….. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...4#post10575341

We here in the Tech forum of Blu-ray.com always seem to be substantially ahead of the “Latest Industry News” sections of other consumer-related forums. For example, something which is poorly understood by consumer media, namely a better calibration procedure for display luminance levels and chromaticity (a topic which holds significant future implications for UHD displays and parameters with which they are attempting to support) ….was briefly mentioned early last month in discussion with Ray -

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

When Sony first attempted to deal with metameric failure of their OLED displays they released a set of chromaticity xy offset values, that ranged from -0.001, -0.009, through -0.004, -0.013, depending on the probe used, and alternative display technology to be matched to.
In later documentation on the White Balance of BVM and PVM displays Sony reduced these values to a single set of xy offsets - x=-0.006, y=-0.011.....

On that note, I can inform folks that new SMPTE recommended practices to help solve some of these color matching problems is proceeding to publication and in a nutshell outlines/defines (different from past practices) how to set black point (visual) and white point (by meter with values forthcoming from respective display manufacturers) for reference displays….reference displays on which material is mastered for consumer viewing.

Will this new calibration practice find its way downstream to the consumer calibrator sector?

[dvdmike]

Every 4K thread becomes an HDR thread then!

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Every 4K thread becomes an HDR thread then!

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

how to set black point (visual)

Based upon scientific testing which was done to/on attendees (professionals in imaging) at a fairly recent international conference, and especially with HDR on the horizon, is it time to revisit the picture line-up generation equipment test pattern tool and what level of maximum luminance is now the norm for the UHD tv future?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Every 4K thread becomes an HDR thread then!

Hey, I essentially agreed with you here - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...k#post10329865

[Penton-Man]

A practice (16-bit) ^ which about 1½ months after I wrote that above post, was then officially described for use with the Amazing Spiderman 2 as outlined in the late Feb. publication issue of the CineAlta industry magazine (see ‘assets’ pdf link - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...n#post10480414 )

So, readers may ask in their own minds…Yo P-Man, but is there anything new since you contributed those post(s)? Well….ya darn tootin there is - more awareness ! For you see, the ADX SMPTE standard for calibration of scanners includes 16-bit encoding that allows full density scanning for HDR applications. So, for those attending NAB, come listen to the panel on Saturday and stop by booth C9132 at NAB 2015 in order to learn more….
https://www.oscars.org/news/academy-...iving-standard

Until then

[4K fanatic]

Originally Posted by schan1269

None of your UHD TV support all that...yet...

Last I checked...

The 64F8500, as a 2 year old set, beat all your "1st gen" half-baked UHD televisions...

What you all seem to be forgetting. And maybe typing it all in caps will get the message across...

THERE IS NOTHING, AT ALL, ANYWHERE, AT ANY PRICE, THAT INCLUDES HDMI 2.0 AND HDCP 2.2 ON THE SAME HDMI INPUT. Wrong- wrong, wrong. My 65ub9500 supports hdmi 2.0 and hdcp 2.2 on hdmi 1. Idk where your facts come from but you can look up that my tv is hdmi 2.0 and I'll take a pic to show you hdmi 1 on my tv says hdcp 2.2 on it, as long as you put your money where your mouth is. I'll even thank you for the cash. PayPal will be fine.

Period.
End.
Of.
Story.

Also. LCD, no matter what "quantum dot" or "nano tech" is put in it, is EVER going to beat OLED or plasma. PERIOD.

And yes. A 1-off 58" Panny(NHK help) UHD plasma was made.

Why did it not make production?

The European Union and California.

The equation for power use for the EU was 400 watts-ish. The TV chewed on 675. 200 more than California regs.

Therefore...it died.

Wrong, my 65ub9500 has hdmi 2.0 and input 1 is hdcp 2.2 compliant ( and it's a 2014 model). I'll bet you money. I'll take a pic of hdmi 1 on the side of my tv where it says hdcp 2.2 and you can look in the manual for proof it's hdmi 2.0 as well.

HDMII®
USB 3.0/2.0 In
Digital Audio Out (Optical)
LAN
RS-232
1 (Rear)
1 (Rear)
1 (shared w/Component)
4 HDMI (Side) *1 HDMI input supports HDCP 2.2

http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-65UB9500-led-tv


Also: http://www.crutchfield.com/S-tWU1ALE...-65UB9500.html


Connections and Dimensions:

5 A/V inputs, including:
4 HDMI 2.0 (one input is HDCP 2.2 compatible for connecting to a 4K video source)
1 component video (selectable component/composite)
RF input for antenna/cable signals
optical digital audio output (may only pass 2-channel audio from HDMI-connected sources)
Ethernet port for a wired connection to a home network
3 USB inputs for connecting a camera or thumb drive
detachable stand (stand "footprint" is 53-1/2"W x 11-7/8"D)
wall-mountable (bracket not included)
57-1/8"W x 33-3/4"H x 2-7/16"D (36"H x 11-7/8"D on stand)
weight: 76.7 lbs. with stand; 74.2 lbs. without stand
warranty: 1 year parts & labor — in-home service or pick-up for service


I'll take my money now ( thanks for playing)

[4K fanatic]

I find it dumb that all ends of the hdmi chain need be hdcp 2.2. It should just matter at the blu-Ray video output end and the video input end of the hdmi input of your tv. I don't see why having to have it in your receiver. The blu-Ray player should encode it in the anti piracy algorithm, then the tv should decode the encrypted code on the tvs end. Idk why the receiver's hdmi input/output needs to be involved. It should just pass the encrypted signal for the tv to decode. This is how it should work if it must. Now I need to switch to optical once 4K Blu-Ray comes out because you need the decoding end of all chains in the video loop. It's nonsense. I'm not going to spend $800 on a new receiver when I just bought one with my tv that has hdmi 2.0 ( all I thought I'd need). Back to optical if they do implement this junk. Heck, if u really wanted, you can get the room completely black, buy a 4k camera and point it at the screen to copy the video ( unless the flicker is something you can't minimize).

[Geoff D]

The same applies to current HDCP systems too, i.e. if you're piping Blu-ray thru another device like an HDMI-switching amp it must be v1.4 compatible too, but we take it for granted because it's always been seamless at the end user level (unlike this long, drawn out cluster**** of a roll-out for HDCP 2.2). The repeater/switcher MUST have the same level of encryption as the source and the display, it's that simple. If the encryption could simply be broken halfway through the chain then there's not much point in using it.

(Reminds me of when digital TV started being broadcast over here. People would buy a new TV and complain that they couldn't record anything other than what they were watching on their analogue VCRs, it never ever EVER entered their minds that the VCR has to have its own tuner separate from the TV.)

The UHD BD players will probably have dual HDMI outputs, at least to start with, so you can pipe the 2.2 encrypted video to the TV separately and the HDMI with the audio can go straight to the amp. That said, it makes me wonder if the audio HDMI can switch to v1.4 for the audio encryption, if it couldn't then the split HDMI would be useless in terms of legacy HDCP compatibility. [edit] Ah, just remembered that Sony X series 4K players have dual HDMI for this purpose, and you don't need a HDCP 2.2 amp to be able to listen to the split-off HDMI audio. I guess just as long as the main video 2.2 handshake is successful then the encryption of the audio-only HDMI isn't of such concern.

[eggomatic]

Originally Posted by 4K fanatic

I'm sure it'll have hdmi 2.0 and support rec 2020 color. Just make sure you can see a picture difference from your seating distance with the tv size you're going to buy. I measured the tv to seating distance, then went to best buy and paced out the distance to be sure I was going to see a difference from my seating, then did the sensible thing and ordered it for a grand less via Amazon and paid no tax.

all uhd tvs fall under umrp pricing standards and the only way you got it on amazon for a $1000 less is if was refurbished or a knock off by an unauthorized seller. i sell sammys and are the only ones that will adhere to the rec.2020 space. no sony no lg panasonic later in the year.

[4K fanatic]

Originally Posted by eggomatic

all uhd tvs fall under umrp pricing standards and the only way you got it on amazon for a $1000 less is if was refurbished or a knock off by an unauthorized seller. i sell sammys and are the only ones that will adhere to the rec.2020 space. no sony no lg panasonic later in the year.

It was a lot cheaper in price than Best Buy- maybe $1k or more, then I don't pay tax online so it saved me another couple hundred dollars. Then I got another $150 back in site credit cuz they price matched a competitor. It was shipped snd sold by Amazon. Brand spanking new. Came with everything sealed, a one year warranty, and everything else a new tv has. No question about it. Square trade wouldn't allow me to get a warranty for it if it was used (I don't think). No retail store can ever compete with Amazon prices. Stores will price match other stores but not online. Then you have the no tax that pay for the warranty. I'll never buy retail again. It costs too much. I just looked snd I paid $2,400 for my tv in October 2014

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by 4K fanatic

It was a lot cheaper in price than Best Buy- maybe $1k or more, then I don't pay tax online so it saved me another couple hundred dollars. Then I got another $150 back in site credit cuz they price matched a competitor. It was shipped snd sold by Amazon. Brand spanking new. Came with everything sealed, a one year warranty, and everything else a new tv has. No question about it. Square trade wouldn't allow me to get a warranty for it if it was used (I don't think). No retail store can ever compete with Amazon prices. Stores will price match other stores but not online. Then you have the no tax that pay for the warranty. I'll never buy retail again. It costs too much. I just looked snd I paid $2,400 for my tv in October 2014

you can also pick up the 10% off "movers coupon" from the post office, which is applicable to most TVs. The only one I was looking at that they said no to was the Sony 4Ks. It worked fine on my LG.

Best Buy also will always match Amazon.com IF the advertised price says it is sold and shipped by Amazon. I use the Amazon app on my phone to PM at Best Buy every single time.