Wow I'm glad I waited to buy my 4k UHD TV

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I don’t think you’ve seen enough samples in a proper viewing environment in order to make an informed judgment, but be that as it may, I do empathize with your concern in regards to HDR remastering of ‘old films’….especially given past misleading statements bordering on outright lies by some Hollywood studio executives with regards to other (non-HDR) remastering projects….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ve#post9553148

But mike, can we ? please be a bit more open minded, or at least HDR-friendly and not disparaging, regarding HDR grading and mastering for new films having honest direct filmmaker involvement, for they appear to like the new tool…https://vimeo.com/123370017?adbsc=so...adbpr=15851618

Good points.

Personally, HDR is just like any other tool. Technically, it is a wonderful concept. More dynamic range on the display side means you are getting closer to what was captured on the original film or digital camera.

But, like anything, it can be abused. DNR, used very, very, very (sense a trend? ) sparingly, can help an image. As we know, movies look like garbage if overused. I suppose HDR could be abused, too, if it was utilized to "jack up" the contrast in an older movie to the point where it doesn't look at all what it's supposed to.

Keep in mind that SDR displays also mess up contrast. They lessen it severely compared to the source. We are just used to it.

When I got my VT30 plasma TV, at first I didn't like it compared to my CRT 1080i projection TV. It looked a bit flatter and the blacks weren't as deep. Then, eventually, I realized I was just used to the way my CRT HDTV looked, and while it beats the pants off of any LCD source I've ever seen, the plasma image was far superior once I gave it a chance.

Hey, I used to think vinyl was for fools. Now, it's pretty much all I listen to.

Keep an open mind! You might be pleasantly surprised. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by singhcr

...Keep an open mind! You might be pleasantly surprised. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

The problem with leading too far ahead of the pack is being mistaken for the enemy.

Always best to keep an open mind.

[dvdmike]

There is a point where keeping an open mind turns into not liking something.
I had an open mind before I tried sushi, and now I know I don't like it.

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

There is a point where keeping an open mind turns into not liking something.
I had an open mind before I tried sushi, and now I know I don't like it.

Those are very good points. I agree.

When the HDR version of Lawrence comes out, you might be impressed then. If you gave it a chance with a classic film that you like and you still don't like it, I guess that's just your preference. We still like you here.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

There is a point where keeping an open mind turns into not liking something.
I had an open mind before I tried sushi, and now I know I don't like it.

Heck mike, first few times I tried single-malt Scotch, I disliked it. I realize you probably can’t get to any of the pro shows over here in the U.S., but next year see if you can attend the BSC Expo and you may just change your mind.

My only real reservation to HDR would be if this scenario were to come to pass - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post10613291 i.e. a nits race leading to and resulting in an early demise of OLED.

[4K fanatic]

Nice little write up

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/286-la...1838569?page=1

[Penton-Man]

Consumer shows like CES definitely help, but for some historical background, HDR content has been exhibited for a long time now at professional shows as well as at special invitation-only events in the L.A. area (similar to the Alexa 65 being shown to a select group of invited guests in Hollywood last year ). Good to see that social media writers are finally picking up on the HDR value part of the UHD recipe…..something that we’ve been discussing and writing about here for over 2 years….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ry#post7325076

With details like cutting edge heads-up alerts (from over 6 months ago) to an open standard (2084) finalized in order to efficiently achieve that dynamic range…..https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ar#post9754213

Along with continuing updates from the field….. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...4#post10575341

We here in the Tech forum of Blu-ray.com always seem to be substantially ahead of the “Latest Industry News” sections of other consumer-related forums. For example, something which is poorly understood by consumer media, namely a better calibration procedure for display luminance levels and chromaticity (a topic which holds significant future implications for UHD displays and parameters with which they are attempting to support) ….was briefly mentioned early last month in discussion with Ray -

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

When Sony first attempted to deal with metameric failure of their OLED displays they released a set of chromaticity xy offset values, that ranged from -0.001, -0.009, through -0.004, -0.013, depending on the probe used, and alternative display technology to be matched to.
In later documentation on the White Balance of BVM and PVM displays Sony reduced these values to a single set of xy offsets - x=-0.006, y=-0.011.....

On that note, I can inform folks that new SMPTE recommended practices to help solve some of these color matching problems is proceeding to publication and in a nutshell outlines/defines (different from past practices) how to set black point (visual) and white point (by meter with values forthcoming from respective display manufacturers) for reference displays….reference displays on which material is mastered for consumer viewing.

Will this new calibration practice find its way downstream to the consumer calibrator sector?

[dvdmike]

Every 4K thread becomes an HDR thread then!

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

how to set black point (visual)

Based upon scientific testing which was done to/on attendees (professionals in imaging) at a fairly recent international conference, and especially with HDR on the horizon, is it time to revisit the picture line-up generation equipment test pattern tool and what level of maximum luminance is now the norm for the UHD tv future?

[tronotized22]

Originally Posted by singhcr

Good points.

Personally, HDR is just like any other tool. Technically, it is a wonderful concept. More dynamic range on the display side means you are getting closer to what was captured on the original film or digital camera.

But, like anything, it can be abused. DNR, used very, very, very (sense a trend? ) sparingly, can help an image. As we know, movies look like garbage if overused. I suppose HDR could be abused, too, if it was utilized to "jack up" the contrast in an older movie to the point where it doesn't look at all what it's supposed to.

Keep in mind that SDR displays also mess up contrast. They lessen it severely compared to the source. We are just used to it.

When I got my VT30 plasma TV, at first I didn't like it compared to my CRT 1080i projection TV. It looked a bit flatter and the blacks weren't as deep. Then, eventually, I realized I was just used to the way my CRT HDTV looked, and while it beats the pants off of any LCD source I've ever seen, the plasma image was far superior once I gave it a chance.

Hey, I used to think vinyl was for fools. Now, it's pretty much all I listen to.

Keep an open mind! You might be pleasantly surprised. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

I totally agree. In general, digital is just a tool, just like the photo chemical process was a tool for cleaning film years ago. They can both be misused.