Anyone have any idea when Sony will update their TV's with Dolby Vision

[netnothing]

Originally Posted by Waboman

I think most of the blame lies with Dolby.

Elevated Black Levels = 100% Dolby blame
Half-assed firmware update = 100% Sony blame

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by mutelight

You forgot an important part.

LOL still better to deal with that then nothing in hand. Also for me personally I haven't observed it, lucky I guess.

[BrownianMotion]

As I posted in the HDR Thread, HDR10+ is having issues over HDMI as well, albeit different issues than the ones experienced with Dolby Vision. So it's not just Dolby Vision that's having problems.

My take is that Dolby, the HDR10+ Alliance, manufacturers, etc., tried too hard to get these dynamic metadata formats to be compatible with HDMI 2.0 (and even HDMI 1.4 in Dolby Vision's case) when HDMI 2.1 may be required for the best possible and most consistent experience.

Dolby has said that they now have a fix, and Samsung says they are working on one for HDR10+, so I guess we will see how well these fixes work. But dynamic HDR in general has been a huge headache on most current equipment.

[Lion]

I can't believe this is a fundamental mistake in the Firmware implementation. Surely with the extensive testing that has been suggested by some reporters and the fact there are only a handful of DV capable HDMI players, surely these 3rd party items would have been tested prior to the release. Could it be more of an issue with the wrong baseline loaded onto the Servers for US distribution? Has been known.

The more I think about it, the more I think HDMI has been deliberately disabled (for whatever reason you chose to pick), but with the bad press this release is generating, the decision has been made to withdraw the limited functionality or any reference to DV in the updated firmware. This would seem to fit with the new TV's not having DV enabled out of the box.

[Waboman]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

If that is the case how come LG, TCL and Vizio are selling DV displays now?

Aren't they buggy tho? Elevated black levels and other critters?

Originally Posted by netnothing

Elevated Black Levels = 100% Dolby blame
Half-assed firmware update = 100% Sony blame

That sounds about right.

[CYMBOL]

Originally Posted by ditcin

Well, I have the Sony XBR-75X940E and still haven't gotten notice of the update.

Same TV, same situation.

I'll use the USB this weekend if I haven't received it by then, but I prefer to let the TV do all the work... and take the blame if anything goes wrong.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Waboman

Aren't they buggy tho? Elevated black levels and other critters?

Its the same as always, some people complain online nothing new, but for majority its not a issue.
Did you ever read about elevated black bars from various reviewers when the critique a UHD BD playback with DV?

[Staying Salty]

HDR10+ supporters:

Dolby Vision supporters:

Sony owners:

Sony:

Sony engineers:

Dolby:

Dolby engineers:

Oppo engineers:

Panasonic player engineers working with Dolby Vision and HDR10+:

Salty:

[BrownianMotion]

Originally Posted by Staying Salty

Panasonic player engineers working with Dolby Vision and HDR10+:

Has Panasonic actually demo'd either of these formats on their players yet?

[mutelight]

Originally Posted by CYMBOL

Same TV, same situation.

I'll use the USB this weekend if I haven't received it by then, but I prefer to let the TV do all the work... and take the blame if anything goes wrong.

I'd hold off anyway since they removed mention of "Dolby Vision" from the patch notes so hopefully they are working on rolling out a newer update.

Originally Posted by JohnAV

LOL still better to deal with that then nothing in hand. Also for me personally I haven't observed it, lucky I guess.

My Z running HDR10 outperforms my LG running DV HDR wise, so certainly far from "nothing in hand".

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by mutelight

My Z running HDR10 outperforms my LG running DV HDR wise, so certainly far from "nothing in hand".

So we don't have to ever furnish this Sony update to you right?

[mutelight]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

So we don't have to ever furnish this Sony update to you right?

Who is we? Also, I have made it pretty clear in the myriad of the threads across AVS and in this one, I am not upset and already extremely pleased with my sets performance.

Also in this very thread I mentioned how I purchased my set 1.5 years ago without any expectation for an update and to this day it is still one of the best sets on the market.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

Forbes has chimed in, still waiting on a reply from Sony, but did mention the profile thing just like Robert.

And that's why Robert is an insider and I'm not. Sony could still be feeding everyone a line, mind you. If it's as simple as them taking a year just to implement X profile and then basically blame everyone else for using a different one (which DV on disc most definitely is compared to streaming, though that doesn't account for why the ATV doesn't work either) then it doesn't augur well for them adding any kind of "backwards compatibility" any time soon.

Wonder if anyone's emailed OPPO to get their take on it?

[ditcin]

oh well. I'm not a download viewer so I don't care about app only DV. I have a very nice Oppo UHD player. It is DV compatible, as is my Marantz receiver. I'll wait till Sony smartens up and solves their problem. Hopefully they will. I was abandon for support when I purchased the very first Samsung OLED - promised the world by F*@ked by a company. I purchased the SONY and so far the quality is stunning over the Samsung. Yet, one of the reasons for my purchase was the then promise of having a DV update. Hopefully it comes through.

[elwaylite]

Yeah, I mean one group has SW with a bug, one group decides not to release with bug.

[Waboman]

So my tv says it is up to date with the current FW. I'm guessing it performed the update on its own. As I never downloaded anything for it. Now here's the kicker. I never entered my password nor connected it to my network. But lo and behold when checking network settings the tv is fully connected to my my network and online. I fear this is one step closer to Skynet and the Google overlords apocalyptic world domination.

[Morac]

Originally Posted by Waboman

So my tv says it is up to date with the current FW. I'm guessing it performed the update on its own. As I never downloaded anything for it. Now here's the kicker. I never entered my password nor connected it to my network. But lo and behold when checking network settings the tv is fully connected to my my network and online. I fear this is one step closer to Skynet and the Google overlords apocalyptic world domination.

My TV also says it’s up to date, but it doesn’t have the just released update. This is easy to check in the help screen.

What I don’t understand is how Sony could have released the update without testing it and why they refuse to comment on the update. Simply removing references to DV in the release notes doesn’t help, when their marketing pages state DV is coming this month. I really doubt they’ll be able to get a new fixed firmware out in 2 weeks.

[mutelight]

Hmm, interesting...

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...l#post55518556

OK Everyone. I just spent 15 minutes on the phone with the Oppo Digital rep and here's what's going on. Sony has decided to implement a special low-latency profile for Dolby Vision. This apparently is a new profile Dolby created just for Sony. This is very different from the profiles done by LG and Vizio, who implement the full standard profile. How Sony was able to get this kind of special treatment is another topic.

For the low-latency profile, more pre-processing work is done prior to passing the data to the TV. For the full DV profile implemented by LG and Vizio, most of the processing is done by the TV itself. What this means is that both Oppo as well as Dolby and the chip vendor, MediaTec, have to add firmware to do the preprocessing. It's strictly a matter of how the processing is distributed and doesn't affect video quality.

My understanding is that Sony has no intention whatsoever to support the full profile. They are leaving it strictly up to the source providers to support low-latency.

The timeline for a new firmware drop from Oppo with low-latency profile support is April.

[Geoff D]

Looks like OPPO can handle the truth!

Gah, it's like the PS3 and 3D all over again: you can jury-rig this shit but you can't do it without compromising something somewhere. When I expressed my initial bewilderment at Robert's mention of profiles I didn't take this simple notion into account, but then I don't think anyone saw it coming that Sony would have a special sauce profile just for them which every other "third party" bit of DV kit needs to be updated to.

Sure, the video quality itself apparently won't be affected but who's to say how the kit providing this low-latency version - putting more emphasis on the player rather than the TV - will react to it? OPPO already assert that the processing on the UHD player is being pushed hard by DV as it is. I don't think this is gonna end well, but if I hafta p-p-p-pick up an X700 to get DV disc playback on my Zed - becuz Sony will SURELY make their own DV player compatible with their own DV TVs, he says fingers crossed - then I'll just have to bite that bullet.

[edit] You think that it'd be in the interest of Dolby themselves to give those vendors fair warning about this so they could time updates to go along with Sony's one, perhaps even committing to NDA's so that no-one would spill the beans ahead of time, but hey, it's the CE industry: the right hand rarely knows what the left is doing. Idiots.

[netnothing]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Looks like OPPO can handle the truth!

Gah, it's like the PS3 and 3D all over again: you can jury-rig this shit but you can't do it without compromising something somewhere. When I expressed my initial bewilderment at Robert's mention of profiles I didn't take this simple notion into account, but then I don't think anyone saw it coming that Sony would have a special sauce profile just for them which every other "third party" bit of DV kit needs to be updated to.

Sure, the video quality itself apparently won't be affected but who's to say how the kit providing this low-latency version - putting more emphasis on the player rather than the TV - will react to it? OPPO already assert that the processing on the UHD player is being pushed hard by DV as it is. I don't think this is gonna end well, but if I hafta p-p-p-pick up an X700 to get DV disc playback on my Zed - becuz Sony will SURELY make their own DV player compatible with their own DV TVs, he says fingers crossed - then I'll just have to bite that bullet.

[edit] You think that it'd be in the interest of Dolby themselves to give those vendors fair warning about this so they could time updates to go along with Sony's one, perhaps even committing to NDA's so that no-one would spill the beans ahead of time, but hey, it's the CE industry: the right hand rarely knows what the left is doing. Idiots.

If they intended to offload most of processing to the players, then why the need for the X1? Or maybe I’m missing something (wouldn’t be the first time)