Anyone have any idea when Sony will update their TV's with Dolby Vision

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Waboman

I don't use any of the internal apps. Was hoping to get DV from my Oppo/Apple combo platter via HDMI.

A lot of people we’re hoping that, but apparently Sony has to do this in more then one update.

[Waboman]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

A lot of people we’re hoping that, but apparently Sony has to do this in more then one update.

Here's hoping Sony gets it done and does it right.

[Morac]

Sony removed the mention of Dolby Vision from the release notes. The also bumped up the listed version to PKG6.2818.0075NAA. This defiantly sounds like a screw up on Sony’s part.

https://esupport.sony.com/US/p/swu-d...os_group_id=18

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Third, from what I can determine the issue is that Sony developed the DV upgrade to Dolby's latest profile and we need OPPO and Apple to update their devices. This is my best early evaluation. I'm waiting for verification and will keep everyone updated as I learn more.

Here's one of Dolby's technical .pdfs that explains their profile levels.

But shirley the latest Dolby Vision decoder - as one would imagine the Sony one to be - should have compatibility for ALL profiles? It's not like this is something as wide-ranging and as constantly updated as the encoding profiles for, say, HEVC, as there's a very small amount of profiles that DV uses.

The profiles are there to distinguish the different arrangements of DV signal construction, it's not about using a "newer" or "older" profile because DV on disc has always been using profile 7 for example. And as far as I can tell nothing has changed on that front w/ref to DV on UHD disc, we know that DV players are working to that spec otherwise they wouldn't trigger it on other TVs.

Originally Posted by elwaylite

OK, so I downloaded the new FW onto USB, and plugged it into the 940E, and it updated again, and now DV is working fine on the apps.

As far as DV pic menu, I set several things to the way I wanted them like Motion Flow, color temp to expert 1. It does look really good, I hope they map the grayscale settings over from SDR on the HDMI inputs when they make it active. All the white balance settings for apps are just OEM.

But can you actually adjust the white balance when in DV mode on a stream? If you can then that should work on HDMI sources too so I'm good with that for the simple reason that Dolby and HDR10 share the exact same EOTF at their core.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Morac

Sony removed the mention of Dolby Vision from the release notes. The also bumped up the listed version to PKG6.2818.0075NAA. This defiantly sounds like a screw up on Sony’s part.

https://esupport.sony.com/US/p/swu-d...os_group_id=18

Heh, the plot thickens. They HAD to have been aware that releasing it half-baked like that would result in negative feedback so why bother doing it until it's truly ready? We were told end of Jan/early Feb so this may have been an early teaser to whet the appetite - hence the lack of PR brouhaha from Sony - but even so, it wasn't really worth it for plenty of folks.

But if it's not a sneak peek that backfired, then what is it? Could they have released it without genuinely being aware of how external devices can't trigger DV on the TV? That's all kinds of wrong if true as they've had a freakin' YEAR to work on this. It's not like there are dozens of players that they'd have to source for testing!

[edit] And I understand Robert's thinking re: profiles on other players because he stated that he saw DV working off of a Sony X700 disc spinner at CES, hence the reasonable deduction that other brands of player may be using an older transmission system but again: why wasn't this double checked by Sony? Heck, DV output on the consumer version of the X700 player hasn't even been enabled yet (that's also due a firmware update in the summer of this year) so we can't even test the theory that only the Sony player has the means to trigger DV playback from disc. It also means that whatever Robert saw at CES was a special sauce version of the player so all bets are off in those kinds of scenarios as to what does what and how it does it.

[edit the second] I'm assuming that the Sony booth in this video is where people saw it working, apparently it's a X700 going into a ZD9 and it's showing Spidey Homecoming which we know to be a DV on disc title. But unless someone physically ejected the disc from the player and noted that it was the retail version and/or checked that the TV was receiving an input over HDMI then yeah, my scepticism remains because special sauce.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L00t...ature=youtu.be

[Geezer00003]

Originally Posted by Morac

Sony removed the mention of Dolby Vision from the release notes. The also bumped up the listed version to PKG6.2818.0075NAA. This defiantly sounds like a screw up on Sony’s part.

https://esupport.sony.com/US/p/swu-d...os_group_id=18

Sigh.....WOOOOOW.....sad

I must say I'm starting to fear never being able to experience DV from any of my 4K DV encoded discs

I feel for those having the X1 Extreme Processor for longer than myself to no avail!!!

[Geoff D]

To be perfectly honest I get such amazing performance from my ZD9 that DV was only ever going to be a bonus. It certainly factored into my buying choice but, again, I'm not gonna go bananas demanding recompense or anything if it turns out to be a bust. I'd just like to know why Sony have botched it so far, as we all would like to know.

[Lion]

From the US website it does look like HDMI support was or is proposed:



But one user here has been told emphatically by Sony support that DV is for Apps only:

https://community.sony.com/t5/Televi.../650552/page/6

[Geoff D]

Nice spot, although I'm not sure that it lets Sony off the hook because it seems as if they're shifting the onus onto the "third party branded" players to make sure that they work with the TV, not the other way around. Looks like Robert was on the right track after all. But if this IS restricted to apps only then it's as much use to me as a concrete parachute. Ah well.

[ditcin]

Well, I have the Sony XBR-75X940E and still haven't gotten notice of the update.

[elwaylite]

Originally Posted by ditcin

Well, I have the Sony XBR-75X940E and still haven't gotten notice of the update.

I had to download and install with usb stick to get DV working on apps.

[Waboman]

I received no notice regarding the update. But when I manually checked the tv said I had the latest. Will have to check the FW number tonight.

[elwaylite]

Forbes has chimed in, still waiting on a reply from Sony, but did mention the profile thing just like Robert.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

Forbes has chimed in, still waiting on a reply from Sony, but did mention the profile thing just like Robert.

Probably read that courtesy Robert rumormill.

Reference

The most likely explanation at the time of writing, though, as backed up by my early communications with Sony, is that Sony’s TV update has implemented a new ‘profile’ version of Dolby Vision that may be incompatible with the current, older Dolby Vision profiles of various external sources.

[Staying Salty]

Originally Posted by SkyCyberguy

In case it didn't drop through in the meantime:

It has been confirmed that the Sony TV DV update is only for the built-in streaming apps for the time being, NOT for HDMI devices.

Which means the TV's still can't accept DV content via HDMI.

If this has to do with the recently reported DV black level bug remains to be seen, as does whether or not (and when) Sony will unlock DV via HDMI.

Greets

SkyCyberguy

AV insider

[JohnAV]

^ Yes similar news
https://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...t-4k-tvs/40731

[BrownianMotion]

Damn, not sure whose fault it is, but it looks like Sony has been taking the brunt of it. I've seen numerous people voice their dissatisfaction online and claim that they'll never purchase another Sony TV again as a result of this.

That seems a little extreme to me.

[Waboman]

I think most of the blame lies with Dolby.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Waboman

I think most of the blame lies with Dolby.

If that is the case how come LG, TCL and Vizio are selling DV displays now?

[mutelight]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

If that is the case how come LG, TCL and Vizio are selling DV displays with the Dolby vision elevated black level bug now?

You forgot an important part.