Predator why was it such a bad transfer - Blu-ray Forum

Stu123 · 06-21-2009, 05:56 PM

Im sure you all agree it dosent look great on blu-ray but was just wondering why a film would turn out a bad HD transfer.I cant see why a major film studio would use bad quality film for one of its movies so surely its not that.I cant understand how a 1960's john wayne film the searchers looks amazing and a 1980's film looks dissapointing.Its obviously got an excess grain problem im puzzled what causes the grain too and why is it always in the background and never the foreground.I dont mind the grain i understand its because all the detail of the film is coming out but when its excessive like predator it becomes a mess.Maybe DNR should of come into play on this to tone the grain down.Saying all that though i think every blu-ray is always going to be a worthy upgrade from dvd.

blooded predator · 06-21-2009, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by stubiedoo

Im sure you all agree it dosent look great on blu-ray but was just wondering why a film would turn out a bad HD transfer.I cant see why a major film studio would use bad quality film for one of its movies so surely its not that.I cant understand how a 1960's john wayne film the searchers looks amazing and a 1980's film looks dissapointing.Its obviously got an excess grain problem im puzzled what causes the grain too and why is it always in the background and never the foreground.I dont mind the grain i understand its because all the detail of the film is coming out but when its excessive like predator it becomes a mess.Maybe DNR should of come into play on this to tone the grain down.Saying all that though i think every blu-ray is always going to be a worthy upgrade from dvd.

you got to also take into fact of the type of film stock used in predator so in fact predator looks pretty good considering the source.

Stu123 · 06-21-2009, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by blooded predator

you got to also take into fact of the type of film stock used in predator so in fact predator looks pretty good considering the source.

What do you mean the film stock? do you just mean the quality of the film? why would a major studio film one of its movies on cheap cra*

so is this what causes grain? bad quality film?

Batman1980 · 06-21-2009, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by stubiedoo

What do you mean the film stock? do you just mean the quality of the film? why would a major studio film one of its movies on cheap cra*

Someone else can explain this better than me but film detoriates over time, technology can only fix so much. Not to mention HD does blow up flaws unlike DVD so what you may think is bad picture is really just the poor quality of the source material.

Stu123 · 06-21-2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

Someone else can explain this better than me but film detoriates over time, technology can only fix so much. Not to mention HD does blow up flaws unlike DVD so what you may think is bad picture is really just the poor quality of the source material.

Should grain be looked on as a good or bad thing?

Batman1980 · 06-21-2009, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by stubiedoo

Should grain be looked on as a good or bad thing?

Grain is a GOOD thing, it's actually part of the picture, if you DNR it too much you remove some of the picture itself. So that's why most blu-ray collectors(like myself) HATE DNR.

Sussudio · 06-21-2009, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by stubiedoo

Should grain be looked on as a good or bad thing?

grain is a normal part of shooting with film (vs. digital). because bluray is a much higher quality than DVD, many of the intricate details are more visible, including grain. therefore, while some may be turned off by its appearance, it is a natural effect of the film. completely scrubbing it away not only destroys the level of detail and can make images appear incredibly soft, but also affects the intended style of a movie.

dcowboy7 · 06-21-2009, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by stubiedoo

Should grain be looked on as a good or bad thing?

Bad....i wouldve been a farmer if i wanted grain.

PH3AR · 06-22-2009, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

Someone else can explain this better than me but film detoriates over time, technology can only fix so much. Not to mention HD does blow up flaws unlike DVD so what you may think is bad picture is really just the poor quality of the source material.

+1 i thought it looked great for what it origianly looked liked!

drtre81 · 06-22-2009, 09:28 AM

just wait for the inevitable VC-1 transfer or stfu.

Sussudio · 06-21-2009, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by blooded predator

you got to also take into fact of the type of film stock used in predator so in fact predator looks pretty good considering the source.

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Originally Posted by stubiedoo

What do you mean the film stock? do you just mean the quality of the film? why would a major studio film one of its movies on cheap cra*

so is this what causes grain? bad quality film?

blooded is completely correct...when a director selects a certain type of film (called film stock) it alters the look and style of the film. the directors choice is usually based on both creative and financial reasons. consequently, some film stocks can look magnificent in HD while others simply won't

predator also didn't have a full restoration i'm guessing, whereas a movie such as blade runner did, thus why the latter looks far superior.

KubrickFan · 06-21-2009, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by stubiedoo

Im sure you all agree it dosent look great on blu-ray but was just wondering why a film would turn out a bad HD transfer.I cant see why a major film studio would use bad quality film for one of its movies so surely its not that.I cant understand how a 1960's john wayne film the searchers looks amazing and a 1980's film looks dissapointing.Its obviously got an excess grain problem im puzzled what causes the grain too and why is it always in the background and never the foreground.I dont mind the grain i understand its because all the detail of the film is coming out but when its excessive like predator it becomes a mess.Maybe DNR should of come into play on this to tone the grain down.Saying all that though i think every blu-ray is always going to be a worthy upgrade from dvd.

They experimented in the 80's with faster film stock, that uses less light to light a scene, and so a scene can be set up much quicker than earlier. Of course, the downside to that was that it intensified grain. Since that's the look of the film, the Blu-Ray actually looks correct.
And you shouldn't compare those two films. The Searchers was shot on VistaVision, which was a larger format film. So of course it's going to look better.

HeavyHitter · 06-21-2009, 06:55 PM

Someone should make Predator a sticky. It seems like this comes up every week. Lots of misconceptions of this film and film grain being bad. Predator on BD looks just how it should.

Mr.White · 06-21-2009, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Someone should make Predator a sticky. It seems like this comes up every week. Lots of misconceptions of this film and film grain being bad. Predator on BD looks just how it should.

+1 I like the transfer myself,much better than the DVD, could have been better in the extras dept. though!

Sky_Captain · 06-21-2009, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Someone should make Predator a sticky. It seems like this comes up every week. Lots of misconceptions of this film and film grain being bad. Predator on BD looks just how it should.

Yup. And a free beeyatch-slap for anyone that mentions it again.

divorce certificate · 06-22-2009, 02:26 AM

Hi. their olfactory systems to identify food, smell predators and observe and interpret their environments. In humans, smells warn us if food has gone bad and can be powerful enough to trigger distinct memories years later. Axel and his colleagues also developed gene transfer techniques that permit th...

PurpleJesus74 · 06-22-2009, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by divorce certificate

Hi. their olfactory systems to identify food, smell predators and observe and interpret their environments. In humans, smells warn us if food has gone bad and can be powerful enough to trigger distinct memories years later. Axel and his colleagues also developed gene transfer techniques that permit th...

Can i quote Blaine here,WTF?

The one thing about the Predator bd,is its inconsistencies.Idk some shots look ok,while suddenly the next frame does not.

wormraper · 06-22-2009, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by PurpleJesus74

Can i quote Blaine here,WTF?

The one thing about the Predator bd,is its inconsistencies.Idk some shots look ok,while suddenly the next frame does not.

It's inconsistent because they used 2 different types of film stock because of budget. Not only that many of the shots were zoomed in shots killing some of the resolution of the film. It was shot very cheaply roughly which shows in the transfer, yet it still looks one hell of a lot better than the DVD.

Lucy Diamond · 06-22-2009, 04:28 PM

@op

It wasn't a bad transfer at all. It is filled with a lush natural grain that is indicitive of a film shot using available natural lighting.

Predator was a hollywood movie...yes. But not a big budget movie by any means.

They did an awesome job with the resources they had.

06-21-2009, 05:56 PM	#1
Stu123 Power Member Top contributor Member since:Mar 2009 Location:Hadley's Hope on LV-426 4K collection:260 Blu-ray collection:559 DVD collection:392 Trading Score:9	Predator why was it such a bad transfer Im sure you all agree it dosent look great on blu-ray but was just wondering why a film would turn out a bad HD transfer.I cant see why a major film studio would use bad quality film for one of its movies so surely its not that.I cant understand how a 1960's john wayne film the searchers looks amazing and a 1980's film looks dissapointing.Its obviously got an excess grain problem im puzzled what causes the grain too and why is it always in the background and never the foreground.I dont mind the grain i understand its because all the detail of the film is coming out but when its excessive like predator it becomes a mess.Maybe DNR should of come into play on this to tone the grain down.Saying all that though i think every blu-ray is always going to be a worthy upgrade from dvd. Last edited by Stu123; 06-21-2009 at 05:58 PM.

06-22-2009, 02:26 AM	#16
divorce certificate Banned Member since:Jun 2009 Location:USA	Predator why was it such a bad transfer Hi. their olfactory systems to identify food, smell predators and observe and interpret their environments. In humans, smells warn us if food has gone bad and can be powerful enough to trigger distinct memories years later. Axel and his colleagues also developed gene transfer techniques that permit th...

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drtre81 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Feb 2009 Blu-ray collection:110	just wait for the inevitable VC-1 transfer or stfu.

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Lucy Diamond Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2008 Location:The Tomb of Annihilation 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:- Digital collection:- Blu-ray reviews: 2 Trading Score:3	@op It wasn't a bad transfer at all. It is filled with a lush natural grain that is indicitive of a film shot using available natural lighting. Predator was a hollywood movie...yes. But not a big budget movie by any means. They did an awesome job with the resources they had.

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