No Covering, No Thank You

[joel_reed]

Why is it that I only see pictures of blu-ray disks and machines that look EXACTLY like DVDs? Is this considered to be progress? Are these companies so cheap that they refuse to cover the surfaces of these disks with some kind of protection device? (They did it with 3.5 inch Floppy disks 20 years ago, and that seemed to work out just fine!)

Don't get me wrong, I want nothing more than for blu-ray to win the war of the formats, but why oh why are we ignoring the fact that surface scratches are a HUGE problem with these things! I don't know about you, but I don't like re-burning all of my media whenever it gets too scratched, or watching a movie that is continually skipping. (I KNOW it happens to everyone) What's the point of introducing something that holds more than it's predissesor when I could just buy a 100 pack of DVDs and save myself the effort.

I think the next format I'll be supporting is the one who is gracious enough to consider their customers needs ... it won't be the one that simply produces a cheap product purely made to increase their profit margin. (Although I won't mention any specific names)

[marzetta7]

joel_reed,

This is precisely why Blu-ray discs will come with a super-hard, durable spin coating on them. TDK will be using Durabis, which has been shown to effectively resist fingerprints, woolpads, dirt, sand, ink, and hell, even a screwdriver!

This is one of many reasons I back Blu-ray, as it is very important to me as well, because with the current state of DVDs, the durability is less than stellar lets just say. Downright disappointing in my book. Moreover, when you look at how HD DVD will be using the same technology as DVD, that is to put it more accurately, doing nothing in terms of making their discs more durable, I find Blu-ray the clear victor here.

I'm waiting for the BDA to start hitting the durability marketing hype here real soon.

[marzetta7]

joel_reed,

I'll go ahead and add that you don't want to be posting the same topic in like 4 different areas. Just FYI.

[joel_reed]

So your saying they will basically be treated with a scratch resistant surface? This reminds me exactly what they said when Cds were released, so I'm not exactly 100% on board with the idea of adding a simple layered protection on the bottom of the disk. However it does sound like that additional feature would be a benifit over your average CD or DVD, but not quite as convincing as an actual case.

Oh, and I purposly posted on four differant sections for a reason. (So it would be read more) But I'm alright with you taking the other posts off it they somehow cause problems.

[zombie]

Originally Posted by joel_reed

So your saying they will basically be treated with a scratch resistant surface? This reminds me exactly what they said when Cds were released, so I'm not exactly 100% on board with the idea of adding a simple layered protection on the bottom of the disk. However it does sound like that additional feature would be a benifit over your average CD or DVD, but not quite as convincing as an actual case.

Oh, and I purposly posted on four differant sections for a reason. (So it would be read more) But I'm alright with you taking the other posts off it they somehow cause problems.

Yes please post a topic only once. I am certain that it will be noticed in any of the forums. Thank you.

[marzetta7]

Originally Posted by joel_reed

So your saying they will basically be treated with a scratch resistant surface? This reminds me exactly what they said when Cds were released, so I'm not exactly 100% on board with the idea of adding a simple layered protection on the bottom of the disk. However it does sound like that additional feature would be a benifit over your average CD or DVD, but not quite as convincing as an actual case.

Personally, I was a fan of the caddy myself, but after seeing how well Durabis was in action, I gladly welcomed the bare Blu-ray discs. Here, take a look at this article to see how well Durabis should protect our future HD discs.

http://news.com.com/Try+scratching+t...3-5455621.html

I'll go ahead and add that even though all Blu-ray discs will not be using Durabis as I wish they would, they will be using coating equivalents as Sony has their own type of coating equivalent to Durabis, as does Panasonic. Anyhow, once you've read the article, you'll know that it would be quite impossible to do that sort of thing with today's DVD and still have playability which should tell you what you are in store for with HD DVD--more of the same scratches and skips but this time with a lot more data effected.

[thunderhawk]

That's right.
And, I believe it's more economic to use a durable caddy then a durable coating. But then again... They simply want to pack more discs at once I suppose..

[joel_reed]

I noticed a picture that was used on that site to illustrate the quality of the protection they use, but it didn't exactly look like a great way to promote a product in my opinion. The picture below shows a scratched blu-ray disk with writting and finger prints all over it, and just below it the caption says "Despite the fact that the surface of a TDK DVD-R disc with protective coating was scratched and smudged with fingerprints, a DVD drive was still able to read the disc's content"

Even if this protection was as good as they say, (Which I doubt it is) the disks would still look like they were in horrible condition when scratched! I even found a comment on the bottom of the page by a fellow sceptic which reads "As you can see on this disk, only a small portion of the inner tracks contain data, and most of the scratching and smudging is not in this area. This reminds me of the early 80's when news reporters demonstrated the indestructiibility of CDs by writing with lipstick and pen on the label side of the disc!"

As you can see this sounds alot like what I said in my last reply, so I'll let you draw your own conclusion.

http://news.com.com/2009-1041-5456423.html