Value Electronics 2022 TV Shootout Evaluation event - Blu-ray Forum

Robert Zohn · 07-24-2022, 07:56 PM

On Saturday, July 30, 2022 we'll host our 18th annual 4K HDR TV Shootout Evalueaiton event in NYC. Sunday, July 31, 2022 is our 8K HDR TV Shootout.

We have 2 of each TV breaking in for calibration. I have 2 of each TV prepared for the event so if anything happens to any of the TV(s) we have a back up ready to take it's place and the show goes on as scheduled.

We have most of the TVs braking in our lab and basement, but some of the back-up TVs are in our showroom. Here's just one picture from our showroom with two of the 8K TVs, LG 88Z2, and Sony's 85Z9K and a couple of the 4K TVs that will compete in the TV SHootout!

We'll be live-streaming the entire two days on http://www.YouTube.com/SpareChange . We have a team of moderators to answer questions and to bring some of the questions to our presenters and panel of expert judges.

Jay Mammoth · 07-24-2022, 08:24 PM

Looking forward to see which oled wins best TV of 2022. I’m thinking the Sony QOLED, the G2 is pretty great as well though.

samlop10 · 07-24-2022, 09:11 PM

The raised blacks with ambient light on both Sony and Samsung, coming out of black faster on the Sony, and the lack of DV on the Samsung, might give the advantage to the G2.

Better in Blu · 07-25-2022, 12:44 AM

I've seen the 83" G2 and it looks amazing. My local BB will have the A95K soon. If I was looking for a new display, it would be between those 2. Not gonna jump for a 8K until there is content which at this point is questionable.

Robert Zohn · 07-25-2022, 01:11 AM

Just for your use case and considering you have LG's 77" GX Gallery Series OLED TV here's my thoughts.

As great at Sony's new 2022 65" A95K Master Series QD OLED TV I'd still suggest any 83" OLED TV as the best upgrade from your beautiful 77GX.

wxman2003 · 07-25-2022, 09:56 PM

Robert, Saw the excellent interview with Brian on youtube today. Quite impressive with all the engineers from Samsung, Sony, etc that will be there.

Just curious if you could ask Samsung engineers about their color switching bug on the S95B which I own. By bug, I mean not automatically switching from P3 to bt.2020 when the HDR content dictates. When set to auto, it remains in P3 no matter what with HDR. You can manually switch to custom color space and then select bt2020, IF you know what contents expands beyond P3. It should do that automatically when set to Auto, but it does not. Sony does it correctly and so do others, but for some reason, Samsung has had this bug for years. Thanks.

Robert Zohn · 07-25-2022, 11:43 PM

The engineers we'll have at the TV Shootout Evalueaiton event are from Samsung Display.

I'll pass this along to the proper folks at Samsung Electronics.

cgpublic · 07-26-2022, 01:10 AM

Should be plenty of fun. I've already placed my bet on LG, picking up a 65" C2 on sale over the Fourth of July, and moved my C8 to the bedroom. I was tempted to wait and possibly splurge on the Sony A95K, but it was just too large a gap in price with the LG at $2,099 and even bigger developments on the horizon.

It's only a few weeks, but I'm pretty shocked at just how much of a picture quality upgrade the newer/brighter panel delivers, and likewise finding the new, much faster microprocessor and related UI/AI is head and shoulders above the C8.

Out of the box accuracy is markedly improved, so I'm more than good for screening films until break-in is over.

All in all, a fantastic job by LG with the older OLED tech. Curious to find out what QD-OLED has to offer in the shootout, along with 8K.

Robert Zohn · 07-28-2022, 10:42 PM

Our July 30-31, 2022 TV Shootout will be broadcast live live on SpareChange's YouTube channel this Saturday, July 30 for the 4K TV Shootout, and again on Sunday, July 31 for our 8K TV Shootout.

We'll be answering questions in the online chat and the moderators will be passing along select questions to our panel of experts.

Robert Zohn · 07-29-2022, 06:11 PM

Here's a couple pictures of our team setting up for tomorrow's 4K HDR TV Shootout Evaluation event.

Left to right (our techs) Helio sitting on the floor, Mark, standing, Lianne, sitting, then Erik who is B The Installer's videographer/editor, Brian of
Brian's Tech Therapy YouTube channel, and Brandon of B the Installer YouTube channel. All of the other installers are working on the 8K TV setup.

punisher · 07-29-2022, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Here's a couple pictures of our team setting up for tomorrow's 4K HDR TV Shootout Evaluation event.

I still have 2 of those KURO shirts myself....

Miss you Pioneer....

....your OLEDs would rule

Waboman · 08-02-2022, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Here's a couple pictures of our team setting up for tomorrow's 4K HDR TV Shootout Evaluation event.

It's funny seeing those Kuro shirts. I was Going thru some of my old discs and came across this Kuro demo BD. Forgot I had it. Been years, more like over a decade since I’ve watched it. Don’t recall what’s on it. Think I’ll give it a spin tonight.

NKB2017 · 08-03-2022, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Waboman

It's funny seeing those Kuro shirts. I was Going thru some of my old discs and came across this Kuro demo BD. Forgot I had it. Been years, more like over a decade since I’ve watched it. Don’t recall what’s on it. Think I’ll give it a spin tonight.

Thank you Robert to you and your family and team! Great job as always.

I currently have a Pioneer 60 inch KURO KRP-600A... so I'm assuming the Sony A95K will be a HUGE jump in quality??

Wingman1977 · 07-29-2022, 07:03 PM

I would have considered going, but I tested positive for COVID on Tues so it's a no go for me.

Robert Zohn · 07-29-2022, 08:45 PM

Thank you Wingman and wishing you a very quick recovery!

Here's the first picture of our 4K HDR TV Shootout set-up.

Wingman1977 · 07-29-2022, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Thank you Wingman and wishing you a very quick recovery!

Here's the first picture of our 4K HDR TV Shootout set-up.

Thanks Robert. I'm fine now (two weekends ago, was a different story). I just have a random cough. I do miss when you used to have it at the store (but I understand why you no longer hold it there due to size constraints at the store).

Robert Zohn · 07-30-2022, 03:09 PM

We're having a blast with all of the video expert judges comparing, evaluating, and judging all of these stunning flagship TVs.

trekky76 · 07-30-2022, 03:53 PM

Are those units random retail samples or were they preselected to avoid faulty non-uniform ones?

Wingman1977 · 07-30-2022, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by trekky76

Are those units random retail samples or were they preselected to avoid faulty non-uniform ones?

Based on past shootouts, Robert stated that they are from his store's inventory and they randomly select units from them. Also, they spend days calibrating them so they would know if a set had any issues in advance so they replace it with another one.

PaulGo · 07-30-2022, 09:31 PM

Sony A95K won the shootout!

07-24-2022, 07:56 PM	#1
Robert Zohn Retailer Insider Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Scarsdale, NY Trading Score:2	Value Electronics 2022 TV Shootout Evaluation event On Saturday, July 30, 2022 we'll host our 18th annual 4K HDR TV Shootout Evalueaiton event in NYC. Sunday, July 31, 2022 is our 8K HDR TV Shootout. We have 2 of each TV breaking in for calibration. I have 2 of each TV prepared for the event so if anything happens to any of the TV(s) we have a back up ready to take it's place and the show goes on as scheduled. We have most of the TVs braking in our lab and basement, but some of the back-up TVs are in our showroom. Here's just one picture from our showroom with two of the 8K TVs, LG 88Z2, and Sony's 85Z9K and a couple of the 4K TVs that will compete in the TV SHootout! We'll be live-streaming the entire two days on http://www.YouTube.com/SpareChange . We have a team of moderators to answer questions and to bring some of the questions to our presenters and panel of expert judges.

07-26-2022, 01:10 AM	#8
cgpublic Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Dec 2008 Location:Gotham 4K collection:786 Blu-ray collection:2395 DVD collection:60 MA collection:467 Digital collection:113 iTunes collection:590 Blu-ray reviews: 56 Trading Score:8	Reach For The Sky Should be plenty of fun. I've already placed my bet on LG, picking up a 65" C2 on sale over the Fourth of July, and moved my C8 to the bedroom. I was tempted to wait and possibly splurge on the Sony A95K, but it was just too large a gap in price with the LG at $2,099 and even bigger developments on the horizon. It's only a few weeks, but I'm pretty shocked at just how much of a picture quality upgrade the newer/brighter panel delivers, and likewise finding the new, much faster microprocessor and related UI/AI is head and shoulders above the C8. Out of the box accuracy is markedly improved, so I'm more than good for screening films until break-in is over. All in all, a fantastic job by LG with the older OLED tech. Curious to find out what QD-OLED has to offer in the shootout, along with 8K.

07-24-2022, 08:24 PM	#2
Jay Mammoth Blu-ray Champion Member since:Mar 2011 Location:Buffalo NY Home Theater Gallery:5 4K collection:583 Blu-ray collection:1607 DVD collection:63 iTunes collection:14 Prime collection:1 Trading Score:24	Looking forward to see which oled wins best TV of 2022. I’m thinking the Sony QOLED, the G2 is pretty great as well though.

07-24-2022, 09:11 PM	#3
samlop10 Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Dec 2010 Location:Austin TX Home Theater Gallery:53 4K collection:1041 Blu-ray collection:3901 DVD collection:9 Blu-ray reviews: 59 Trading Score:1	The raised blacks with ambient light on both Sony and Samsung, coming out of black faster on the Sony, and the lack of DV on the Samsung, might give the advantage to the G2.

07-25-2022, 12:44 AM	#4
Better in Blu Senior Member Member since:Dec 2010 Location:North Palm Beach 4K collection:846 Blu-ray collection:1582	I've seen the 83" G2 and it looks amazing. My local BB will have the A95K soon. If I was looking for a new display, it would be between those 2. Not gonna jump for a 8K until there is content which at this point is questionable.

07-25-2022, 01:11 AM	#5
Robert Zohn Retailer Insider Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Scarsdale, NY Trading Score:2	Just for your use case and considering you have LG's 77" GX Gallery Series OLED TV here's my thoughts. As great at Sony's new 2022 65" A95K Master Series QD OLED TV I'd still suggest any 83" OLED TV as the best upgrade from your beautiful 77GX.

07-25-2022, 09:56 PM	#6
wxman2003 Expert Member Member since:Jun 2016	Robert, Saw the excellent interview with Brian on youtube today. Quite impressive with all the engineers from Samsung, Sony, etc that will be there. Just curious if you could ask Samsung engineers about their color switching bug on the S95B which I own. By bug, I mean not automatically switching from P3 to bt.2020 when the HDR content dictates. When set to auto, it remains in P3 no matter what with HDR. You can manually switch to custom color space and then select bt2020, IF you know what contents expands beyond P3. It should do that automatically when set to Auto, but it does not. Sony does it correctly and so do others, but for some reason, Samsung has had this bug for years. Thanks.

07-25-2022, 11:43 PM	#7
Robert Zohn Retailer Insider Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Scarsdale, NY Trading Score:2	The engineers we'll have at the TV Shootout Evalueaiton event are from Samsung Display. I'll pass this along to the proper folks at Samsung Electronics.

07-29-2022, 06:11 PM	#10
Robert Zohn Retailer Insider Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Scarsdale, NY Trading Score:2	Here's a couple pictures of our team setting up for tomorrow's 4K HDR TV Shootout Evaluation event. Left to right (our techs) Helio sitting on the floor, Mark, standing, Lianne, sitting, then Erik who is B The Installer's videographer/editor, Brian of Brian's Tech Therapy YouTube channel, and Brandon of B the Installer YouTube channel. All of the other installers are working on the 8K TV setup.

07-29-2022, 07:03 PM	#14
Wingman1977 Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Mar 2008 Location:The empire state Trading Score:23	I would have considered going, but I tested positive for COVID on Tues so it's a no go for me.

07-29-2022, 08:45 PM	#15
Robert Zohn Retailer Insider Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Scarsdale, NY Trading Score:2	Thank you Wingman and wishing you a very quick recovery! Here's the first picture of our 4K HDR TV Shootout set-up.

07-30-2022, 03:09 PM	#17
Robert Zohn Retailer Insider Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Scarsdale, NY Trading Score:2	We're having a blast with all of the video expert judges comparing, evaluating, and judging all of these stunning flagship TVs.

07-30-2022, 03:53 PM	#18
trekky76 Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Sep 2014 Location:Stockholm 4K collection:916 Blu-ray collection:1323 DVD collection:4 Digital collection:7 Blu-ray reviews:16 Trading Score:41	Are those units random retail samples or were they preselected to avoid faulty non-uniform ones?

07-30-2022, 09:31 PM	#20
PaulGo Power Member Top contributor Member since:Aug 2007 Location:North Potomac, MD	Sony A95K won the shootout!

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