The Boy and the Heron 4K UHD (2023)

[DAT_JB]

This will be released on September 22 by Elysian Film Group

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[NoFro]

Ooh that exclusive art is lush, if not a bit busy with text and logos. My US steel arrived yesterday so unfortunately I'll be skipping this.

[Sterling450]

Do we know anything about the audio/HDR specs of it?

[ZombAid]

Originally Posted by Sterling450

Do we know anything about the audio/HDR specs of it?

I'll give you one better: Does anyone know Elysian Film Group and how they handle their releases?

[NeilZ]

Gosh the US blu ray of this really got a subpar bitrate. Pretty shocking considering 2024 and the scale of this release. Guess the Japanese blu ray will be the best blu ray release, this seems to generally be the case with Ghibli blu ray discs.

[Elu Thingol]

Originally Posted by NeilZ

Gosh the US blu ray of this really got a subpar bitrate. Pretty shocking considering 2024 and the scale of this release. Guess the Japanese blu ray will be the best blu ray release, this seems to generally be the case with Ghibli blu ray discs.

According to this post the GKIDS Blu-ray has better encoding than the Japanese Blu-ray. I would really like to see a comparison of the US and Japanese UHD Blu-rays.

[NeilZ]

Originally Posted by Elu Thingol

According to this post the GKIDS Blu-ray has better encoding than the Japanese Blu-ray. I would really like to see a comparison of the US and Japanese UHD Blu-rays.

Is that correct? The site here says 22mbps.

1.5mpbs difference I’d probably still expect the Japanese to get the edge based on precedence, but would certainly be a sign that the U.S. disc will be fine.

[Academyratio]

Originally Posted by NeilZ

Gosh the US blu ray of this really got a subpar bitrate. Pretty shocking considering 2024 and the scale of this release. Guess the Japanese blu ray will be the best blu ray release, this seems to generally be the case with Ghibli blu ray discs.

Originally Posted by NeilZ

Is that correct? The site here says 22mbps.

1.5mpbs difference I’d probably still expect the Japanese to get the edge based on precedence, but would certainly be a sign that the U.S. disc will be fine.

The average bitrate doesn't matter here as much as the peak bitrate for the parts that need it. Also, there are more factors than just the bitrate when it comes to determining the PQ.

[NeilZ]

Originally Posted by Academyratio

The average bitrate doesn't matter here as much as the peak bitrate for the parts that need it. Also, there are more factors than just the bitrate when it comes to determining the PQ.

I agree. So 22 is the average and not the peak. My bad.

[Angry Virginian]

Japan 4K Disc

Disc Label:     UHDBDROM
Disc Size:      89,987,965,500 bytes
Protection:     AACS2
Playlist:       00001.MPLS
Size:           89,330,915,904 bytes
Length:         02:03:51.924
Total Bitrate:  96.16 Mbps
Video:          MPEG-H HEVC Video / 82,827 kbps / 2160p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / HDR10 / Limited Range / BT.2020 / PQ / BT.2020 non-constant / Mastering display color primaries: BT.2020 / Mastering display luminance: min: 0.0001 cd/m2, max: 1000.0000 cd/m2 / Maximum Content Light Level: 991 cd / m2 / Maximum Frame-Average Light Level: 299 cd/m2
* Video:        MPEG-H HEVC Video / 116 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / Dolby Vision / Limited Range / BT.2020 / PQ / BT.2020 non-constant / Mastering display color primaries: BT.2020 / Mastering display luminance: min: 0.0001 cd/m2, max: 1000.0000 cd/m2 / Maximum Content Light Level: 991 cd / m2 / Maximum Frame-Average Light Level: 299 cd/m2
Audio:          Japanese / LPCM Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /  2304 kbps / 24-bit
Audio:          Japanese / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /   192 kbps / DN -31dB
Audio:          Japanese / Dolby TrueHD/Atmos Audio / 7.1 / 48 kHz /  4712 kbps / 24-bit (AC3 Embedded: 5.1 / 48 kHz /   640 kbps / DN -31dB)
Subtitle:       Japanese / 17.20 kbps
Subtitle:       Japanese / 18.38 kbps

USA 4K disc

Disc Title:     The Boy and the Heron
Disc Label:     The_Boy_and_the_Heron
Disc Size:      98,314,252,471 bytes
Protection:     AACS2
Playlist:       00200.MPLS
Size:           91,511,654,400 bytes
Length:         02:03:56.929
Total Bitrate:  98.44 Mbps
Video:          MPEG-H HEVC Video / 71,906 kbps / 2160p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / HDR10 / Limited Range / BT.2020 / PQ / BT.2020 non-constant / Mastering display color primaries: BT.2020 / Mastering display luminance: min: 0.0001 cd/m2, max: 1000.0000 cd/m2 / Maximum Content Light Level: 991 cd / m2 / Maximum Frame-Average Light Level: 299 cd/m2
Video:          MPEG-H HEVC Video (1) / 4,184 (70898) kbps / 2160p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / HDR10 / Limited Range / BT.2020 / PQ / BT.2020 non-constant / Mastering display color primaries: BT.2020 / Mastering display luminance: min: 0.0001 cd/m2, max: 1000.0000 cd/m2 / Maximum Content Light Level: 991 cd / m2 / Maximum Frame-Average Light Level: 299 cd/m2
* Video:        MPEG-H HEVC Video / 9,406 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / Dolby Vision / Limited Range / BT.2020 / PQ / BT.2020 non-constant / Mastering display color primaries: BT.2020 / Mastering display luminance: min: 0.0001 cd/m2, max: 1000.0000 cd/m2 / Maximum Content Light Level: 991 cd / m2 / Maximum Frame-Average Light Level: 299 cd/m2
Video:          MPEG-H HEVC Video (1) / 539 (9132) kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / Dolby Vision / Limited Range / BT.2020 / PQ / BT.2020 non-constant / Mastering display color primaries: BT.2020 / Mastering display luminance: min: 0.0001 cd/m2, max: 1000.0000 cd/m2 / Maximum Content Light Level: 991 cd / m2 / Maximum Frame-Average Light Level: 299 cd/m2
Audio:          English / Dolby TrueHD/Atmos Audio / 7.1 / 48 kHz /  4256 kbps / 24-bit (AC3 Embedded: 5.1 / 48 kHz /   640 kbps / DN -31dB)
Audio:          English / Dolby Digital Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz /   448 kbps / DN -27dB
Audio:          Japanese / Dolby TrueHD/Atmos Audio / 7.1 / 48 kHz /  4156 kbps / 24-bit (AC3 Embedded: 5.1 / 48 kHz /   640 kbps / DN -29dB)
Audio:          Spanish / Dolby Digital Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz /   448 kbps / DN -27dB
Subtitle:       English / 21.66 kbps
Subtitle:       English / 16.14 kbps
Subtitle:       English / 12.64 kbps
Subtitle:       Spanish / 13.87 kbps
Subtitle:       French / 14.16 kbps
Subtitle:       English / 0.91 kbps
Subtitle:       Spanish / 1.02 kbps

[r32]

4K UHD of the Japan version has discovered that there is a flaw in the Dolby Vision video on the disc, need to replace.

https://www.disney.co.jp/studio/info...30000000007978

[polishq]

Originally Posted by r32

4K UHD of the Japan version has discovered that there is a flaw in the Dolby Vision video on the disc, need to replace.

https://www.disney.co.jp/studio/info...30000000007978

Do we know the nature of the flaw?

[BenjaminG]

Originally Posted by polishq

Do we know the nature of the flaw?

As I understand, the DV layer is out of sync

[professorwho]

Nope, not even close. Basically, someone at Panasonic accidently removed DV specific metadata after the twenty minute mark, so an already questionable HDR grade was made substantially worse by this error.

Additionally, the encode has a few corrupted frames in spots. I swear Panasonic must've been spread too thin, with these errors and the pretty poor compression on the 1080p BD. The GKids UHD lacks the DV error and corrupted frames, and their 1080p BD fights for better compression throughout: sometimes one is better, then vice versa.

[CelestialAgent]

Looks like rating logos (and Japanese title) are on a OBI strip

[hansolo]

Originally Posted by CelestialAgent

Looks like rating logos (and Japanese title) are on a OBI strip

Rating logos are printed also on actual cover sheet (all three sides). Japanese title only on Obi. I have the standard 4K.

[Kool-aid23]

Originally Posted by professorwho

Nope, not even close. Basically, someone at Panasonic accidently removed DV specific metadata after the twenty minute mark, so an already questionable HDR grade was made substantially worse by this error.

Additionally, the encode has a few corrupted frames in spots. I swear Panasonic must've been spread too thin, with these errors and the pretty poor compression on the 1080p BD. The GKids UHD lacks the DV error and corrupted frames, and their 1080p BD fights for better compression throughout: sometimes one is better, then vice versa.

Prof. were the corrupted frames corrected in the JP replacement disc that fixed the DV error? If so, how does the corrected 4k disc compare to the US?

Regards,

[Sterling450]

Do we - by any chance - know what will be the audio options on the UK release?

[hansolo]

Blu-ray.com database seems to suggest UK version would be port of US disc. Same audio and subtitle options.

[Sifox211]

Originally Posted by hansolo

Blu-ray.com database seems to suggest UK version would be port of US disc. Same audio and subtitle options.

That might just be because it was copied from the US one - the copy brings all the specs over.

However, when it does appear, it would be easy to confirm if it repeats the jump-back-to-the-start behaviour of the US disk (which only seems to manifest on some players).