BluRays on Standard Def. TVs on a PS3

[simpspin]

I know you need an HDTVs to get the full effect, but I heard that the PS3's playback of BD discs actually look worse than regular DVDs when displayed on a 480i/p TV.

Is this true?

[Blackraven]

Originally Posted by simpspin

I know you need an HDTVs to get the full effect, but I heard that the PS3's playback of BD discs actually look worse than regular DVDs when displayed on a 480i/p TV.

Is this true?

Now that's what I want to know as well.

In my country, around 50% of the PS3 buyers (come next year) would still be using old-school CRT TVs from the 90's. Meaning everything will be at 480 res.

Hope to hear what others would have to say.

[JTK]

Honestly? You'd be better saving up money and getting an HDTV first before bothering with anything else.

No HDTV? Don't bother.

[partridge]

JTK, when you say don't bother do you mean that from a movie point of view or games? I can understand the movie problem (why would you bother, just stick to DVD!), but surely all PS3 games should run perfectly well on a CRT tv?

[JTK]

Originally Posted by partridge

JTK, when you say don't bother do you mean that from a movie point of view or games? I can understand the movie problem (why would you bother, just stick to DVD!), but surely all PS3 games should run perfectly well on a CRT tv?

It'll all run fine if the non HDTV accepts and runs 480p, but personally, I just don't see the point.

CRT TV in and of itself doesn't matter. That's what I have but mine is an HDTV.

I don't care what technology it is: If it's not an HDTV, I think it's a waste of time and money to buy HD game systems, HD games, and HD movies until you have an HDTV.

Why would anyone buy high def games, game systems, or high def movies to view them on a non-HDTV?

That's a lot of money right there. I think that person would be better off making an HDTV priority one and then working their way out from there.

[Josh]

Blu-ray movies on a SD TV have the potential to look better, but there is no guaranty. Many DVDs released today are mastered from the same HD source as the Blu-ray, so I can't see how the Blu-ray would look any better in SD.

For example, Unforgiven was originally released on DVD. It was then re-released in 10th Anniversary form being re-encoded from an HD master. If you owned the original, the BD would be superior to that in SD, but I can't see it being superior to the 10th Anniversary version.

Of course, with the Blu-ray you get the better menus and evenutally exclusive content.

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by JTK

I don't care what technology it is: If it's not an HDTV, I think it's a waste of time and money to buy HD game systems, HD games, and HD movies until you have an HDTV.

Why would anyone buy high def games, game systems, or high def movies to view them on a non-HDTV?

HDTV Fuder! ban him!

j/k

but actually in my opinion there are legitimate reasons to buy HD titles even if you can only play them in a normal TV only for now: one of them is money

IF you buy a title on DVD now, then, you will have to buy it again if you want to watch it on HD when you get the HDTV. Buy in HD now, watch in SD, watch in HD later

That's one reason i made up the Apocalist. To know for sure what not to buy in DVD anymore and get in HD.


Also, if the downconversion is done properly from the 1080p, you're bound to get a better image, as most DVD transfers are optimized to not have artifacts on 480i CRTs (they are vertically filtered or "softened") so the 1080p downconvert would probably look sharper (and maybe twitter more on a 480i TV )
Second, the image might look cleaner and less noisy specially the colors, cus you'll have downconverted the 1080p compression noise and grain to less than a 4th its size, and then, on-display noise will be at the limits of the 480 display electronics. While on a DVD you get the 480 pixel compression noise as is.

[Gremal]

Originally Posted by partridge

JTK, when you say don't bother do you mean that from a movie point of view or games? I can understand the movie problem (why would you bother, just stick to DVD!), but surely all PS3 games should run perfectly well on a CRT tv?

Using my PS3, the PS2 games appear more pixalated and visibly worse than they did using the PS2. I don't know if this is intentional on Sony's part, to drive sales of new games. You'd think the PS3, with its processing power, would be able to make PS2 games look better. That's not my experience.

I agree with the others who are saying if you don't have an HD-ready TV, don't bother.

[bluearth]

If people shouldn't bother buying HD BD movies with a SD TV, why should they bother paying $60 for HD BD games which look VERY bad on SD televisions, as sometimes the text is barely readable? Whereas BD movies look just as good if not better then DVDs on SD TVs?

I don't see why you would buy your favorite moves in SD now, only to rebuy them again on BD when you get an HDTV.

I just dont get it.

Unless you plan on having a SD television for the rest of your life.

[Betamax]

Originally Posted by Gremal

Using my PS3, the PS2 games appear more pixalated and visibly worse than they did using the PS2. I don't know if this is intentional on Sony's part, to drive sales of new games. You'd think the PS3, with its processing power, would be able to make PS2 games look better. That's not my experience.

I agree with the others who are saying if you don't have an HD-ready TV, don't bother.

You do realize that there is/was a problem with that and that Sony is addressing it with firmware updates? I highly doubt it was intentional to drive new games. Even when the Xbox 360 came out they also had their share or compatability issues.

[theknub]

nevermind, move on

[Blackraven]

Originally Posted by JTK

Honestly? You'd be better saving up money and getting an HDTV first before bothering with anything else.

No HDTV? Don't bother.

I beg to interfere but this shouldn't be the case IMO. There is no need for HD capability to be forced down people's throats in regards to the PS3. Meaning the choice of either SD or HD must be present at all times. Nevertheless, the status quo so far is that Sony recognizes that majority of people globally still have old-school 480 sets and that they won't alienate these customers when they wish to get a PS3.

To give a slight example, my family can only purchase a 32 inch Samsung HDTV and that's already under 100k pesos. Quite cheap for us but definitely not to the majority of families in this poor country. It's even a niche/novelty to even have HDTV here in the Philippines and 1080p sets are still very expensive atm. So until the end of the year, these will only represent less than 1% of all TVs in this country. In fact, some of my friends are fearing that you need a special TV (ie. an HDTV) to run the PS3. Otherwise, it may not run or it may look like s**t. I tried to dispel those fears by saying that since PS3 supports 480 resolutions, you are not doomed when you buy a PS3. Well that's what I believed (in that it would work on any SDTV/EDTV) but even I myself had started to make doubts if this was true or not. Thus, I decided to consult this thread for answers.

Going back though......

The point of the PS3 is to NOT force (or require) its buyers to purchase HDTVs. These would only come later on if consumers would want to maximize further by buying HDTV sets (esp. those with HDMI 1.3) but the default should still remain for those who can't afford HDTV sets atm (especially for countries where HD is not available yet even on OTA/broadcast). And since costs for HDTV need to drop further in these select countries before these can be recognized by the mass-market.

Nevertheless, I think the point of this thread is to know if SD would still look good (or better) on the PS3 than compared to the PS2. Or it serves to inform if people who purchase PS3s and still only have SDTV/EDTV are doomed or not.

I still have faith though that Sony hasn't given up on the poor people of the world (ie. those that only have 1080i-only and SDTV/EDTV sets) and they will be kind to help them through firmware updates on the PS3. This amount of confidence shows that I still believe Sony is capable of winning the hearts of the old TV set owners and I'm still believe that they won't give up on their promise.

So maybe SDTV set owners are not doomed after all (hopefully). We'll wait and see on what happens. Besides that, we could also probably put in here the issue of how upcoming firmware releases could improve performance on SD (to a level that exceeds the PS2 itself).

The poor people out there (whoever you are) are not doomed....hopefully.

Any other feedback appreciated.