Blu-ray passes HD DVD for overall PQ and SQ on High Def Digest - Blu-ray Forum

dobyblue · 12-22-2006, 12:22 PM

As of today Blu-ray's overall picture quality and audio quality is ahead of HD DVD with Peter's ratings on High Def Digest.
Great news for Blu-ray.

High Def Digest (76HD/58BD) review comparison. Last updated 12.22.06

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HD DVD	 PQ 	 SQ 	 TOTAL 		Blu-ray	 PQ 	 SQ 	 TOTAL 
	 3.90 	 3.68 	 3.79 			 3.91 	 3.81 	 3.86

Sig will be updated soon. The overall total from the three sites is now equal as well.

Dave · 12-22-2006, 12:44 PM

So, Blu-ray is better in quality better in specs better in price (PS3). Nothing more to be sayed!

dialog_gvf · 12-22-2006, 01:24 PM

The AQ gap is significant, and will grow with time. Especially if the reviewers start getting down on HD DVD for not including a lossless track.

Perhaps this is why MS is now pushing 1.5Mbps lossy as ideal (both formats, actually).

Gary

eric0819 · 12-23-2006, 06:56 PM

Try to be neutral here and look at the facts and numbers. HD DVD is outselling and has been getting better ratings for picture quality, except for one site that has them listed .01 ahead. The players for HD DVD are less expensive, and more importantly on store shelves, PS3 systems are unavailable which is the problem. Plus look at the average movie proce between the 2 and tell me which one is cheaper? You guys have to look at the big picture here. I think Sony has great technology but the shortages of PS3's is killing them.

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Originally Posted by Dave

So, Blu-ray is better in quality better in specs better in price (PS3). Nothing more to be sayed!

Blackraven · 12-24-2006, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by eric0819

Try to be neutral here and look at the facts and numbers. HD DVD is outselling and has been getting better ratings for picture quality, except for one site that has them listed .01 ahead. The players for HD DVD are less expensive, and more importantly on store shelves, PS3 systems are unavailable which is the problem. Plus look at the average movie proce between the 2 and tell me which one is cheaper? You guys have to look at the big picture here. I think Sony has great technology but the shortages of PS3's is killing them.

I don't think this is true as of this week.

There has been an influx of PS3 shipments coming in for the week (not just for the US, but for Hong Kong and Taiwan and obviously Japan as well).

The advantage HD-DVD is enjoying right now is diminishing with every passing week.

Especially with some people pissed that their buggy HD-A2 players can't play DVD's right.

Scorxpion · 12-22-2006, 01:31 PM

Congratulations

I know this going to be happened soon or later.

dobyblue · 12-22-2006, 01:35 PM

And all of a sudden High Def Digest's site has crashed.

goodstuff · 12-22-2006, 01:37 PM

dobyblue · 12-22-2006, 03:17 PM

Guess how the reactions are on this news from the HD DVD crowd over on High Def Digest's forums?
http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=1162
Not good! It's not subjective, so these numbers are meaningless.
Squirmy, squirm, squirm.

stuart628 · 12-22-2006, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dobyblue

Guess how the reactions are on this news from the HD DVD crowd over on High Def Digest's forums?
http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=1162
Not good! It's not subjective, so these numbers are meaningless.
Squirmy, squirm, squirm.

are those the same people that threw those reviews in our face as proof HD DVD is better, huh funny its different when it dosent fit their objective.

JTK · 12-22-2006, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by goodstuff

Exactly. Nothing else needs to be said. No surprises here!

Rob Tomlin · 12-23-2006, 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dobyblue

As of today Blu-ray's overall picture quality and audio quality is ahead of HD DVD with Peter's ratings on High Def Digest.
Great news for Blu-ray.

High Def Digest (76HD/58BD) review comparison. Last updated 12.22.06

Code:

HD DVD	 PQ 	 SQ 	 TOTAL 		Blu-ray	 PQ 	 SQ 	 TOTAL 
	 3.90 	 3.68 	 3.79 			 3.91 	 3.81 	 3.86

Sig will be updated soon. The overall total from the three sites is now equal as well.

Oh man, this is too good!

Someone has just got to post this at AVS! I would love to see how they react to this one, especially those who used to rely on HiDef Digest to prove that HD-DVD PQ was better than BD!

And let me say this: I have pretty much agreed with Peters reviews. Obviously there are going to be exceptions, but I think he is on the money most of the time. In fact, I now trust his reviews more than WSR. WSR has a new disc reviewer now (Suzanne Hodges left unfortunately, and she was pretty good), and I just am not at all in step with the new guy.

hyperdine · 12-23-2006, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin

Oh man, this is too good!

Rob! Where have you been? Was beginning to think you'd left us

I thought you would have been all over this post...

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...awrence+Arabia

I agree that this would be good to post at AVS, but some of those folks just don't think rationally over there. Dobyblue would get unnecessarily bashed.

Blackraven · 12-23-2006, 02:16 PM

Blu-ray has a SUPER-DUPER strong lead for Audio/Sound quality.

This come especially at a point when Amir is putting his so-called DD+ and DTS-ES audio codecs as "near-lossless" or whatever

Full lossless codecs are where it's at.

Rob Tomlin · 12-23-2006, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hyperdine

Rob! Where have you been? Was beginning to think you'd left us

I thought you would have been all over this post...

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...awrence+Arabia

I agree that this would be good to post at AVS, but some of those folks just don't think rationally over there. Dobyblue would get unnecessarily bashed.

Well, we obviously are not getting Lawrence "by the end of 2006". They are working on it though, and Robert Harris will be helping with some of the color timing!

eric0819 · 12-23-2006, 06:51 PM

Those numbers dont look so great. It shows HD DVD picture quality is still leading on 2 of 3, and sound quality ahead on Blu-Ray. Much of the contributing factors is the age of the movie being converted to hi-def. You can only do so much with older movies that were not filmed in hi def. I do think Blu-Ray is the superior technology, but sales will determine the winner and so far on Amazon and elsewhere HD DVD has been far more popular. This is probably due to the less expensive players. They have a stand alone under $500. I would predict that when Sony catches up to demand with PS3 production that it will get a boost for Blu-Ray. That wont be for a few months and it may be too late to play catch up. It is a shame because the capacity and the potential for Blu-Ray is superior.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dobyblue

As of today Blu-ray's overall picture quality and audio quality is ahead of HD DVD with Peter's ratings on High Def Digest.
Great news for Blu-ray.

High Def Digest (76HD/58BD) review comparison. Last updated 12.22.06

Code:

HD DVD	 PQ 	 SQ 	 TOTAL 		Blu-ray	 PQ 	 SQ 	 TOTAL 
	 3.90 	 3.68 	 3.79 			 3.91 	 3.81 	 3.86

Sig will be updated soon. The overall total from the three sites is now equal as well.

dobyblue · 12-24-2006, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eric0819

Much of the contributing factors is the age of the movie being converted to hi-def. You can only do so much with older movies that were not filmed in hi def.

You don't understand much about film then. Casablanca was given 5/5 for picture quality.
HD at 1080p is actually a lower quality than film reel is capable of.

stuart628 · 12-24-2006, 08:51 PM

dont know if you guys have seen this site, and I apologize if you have (Hey I am new here), also I do realize this is a thread about PQ, but someone brought up amazon, and here is a good website for that.

http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/

If you look and know your dates, you will see that since blu ray has really been released (the last 2 months) you will see HD DVD in a slight decline, with blu ray jumping in spikes up, I realize this is only for the top 100 products, but it is still a good indicator in my opinnion!

goodstuff · 12-25-2006, 07:32 PM

Someone over at DVDTalk posted a gloating thread about hidefdigest's Best of 2006 picks. Dobyblue's average listing was mentioned and linked by someone else and he immediately got railed on by the HD-DVD people. Check out the thread and see how the HD-DVD people end up saying "you can't go by hidefdigest" now

http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=487476

dobyblue · 12-26-2006, 04:37 PM

What a bunch of wallys. They just can't hack the truth.

12-22-2006, 12:22 PM	#1
dobyblue Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jul 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Home Theater Gallery:71 4K collection:55 Blu-ray collection:655 Blu-ray reviews: 15	Blu-ray passes HD DVD for overall PQ and SQ on High Def Digest As of today Blu-ray's overall picture quality and audio quality is ahead of HD DVD with Peter's ratings on High Def Digest. Great news for Blu-ray. High Def Digest (76HD/58BD) review comparison. Last updated 12.22.06 Code: HD DVD PQ SQ TOTAL Blu-ray PQ SQ TOTAL 3.90 3.68 3.79 3.91 3.81 3.86 Sig will be updated soon. The overall total from the three sites is now equal as well.

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12-22-2006, 12:44 PM	#2
Dave Expert Member Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Somewhere	So, Blu-ray is better in quality better in specs better in price (PS3). Nothing more to be sayed!

12-22-2006, 01:24 PM	#3
dialog_gvf Moderator Member since:Nov 2006 Location:Toronto Blu-ray collection:320	The AQ gap is significant, and will grow with time. Especially if the reviewers start getting down on HD DVD for not including a lossless track. Perhaps this is why MS is now pushing 1.5Mbps lossy as ideal (both formats, actually). Gary

12-22-2006, 01:31 PM	#6
Scorxpion Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Middle East,Lebanon Blu-ray collection:57	Congratulations I know this going to be happened soon or later.

12-22-2006, 01:35 PM	#7
dobyblue Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jul 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Home Theater Gallery:71 4K collection:55 Blu-ray collection:655 Blu-ray reviews: 15	And all of a sudden High Def Digest's site has crashed.

12-22-2006, 01:37 PM	#8
goodstuff Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Oct 2006 4K collection:509 Blu-ray collection:6535 Blu-ray reviews: 85 Trading Score:6

12-22-2006, 03:17 PM	#9
dobyblue Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jul 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Home Theater Gallery:71 4K collection:55 Blu-ray collection:655 Blu-ray reviews: 15	Guess how the reactions are on this news from the HD DVD crowd over on High Def Digest's forums? http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=1162 Not good! It's not subjective, so these numbers are meaningless. Squirmy, squirm, squirm.

12-23-2006, 02:16 PM	#14
Blackraven Expert Member Member since:Jan 2005 Location:Makati, Philippines	Blu-ray has a SUPER-DUPER strong lead for Audio/Sound quality. This come especially at a point when Amir is putting his so-called DD+ and DTS-ES audio codecs as "near-lossless" or whatever Full lossless codecs are where it's at.

12-24-2006, 08:51 PM	#18
stuart628 Junior Member Member since:Dec 2006	dont know if you guys have seen this site, and I apologize if you have (Hey I am new here), also I do realize this is a thread about PQ, but someone brought up amazon, and here is a good website for that. http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/ If you look and know your dates, you will see that since blu ray has really been released (the last 2 months) you will see HD DVD in a slight decline, with blu ray jumping in spikes up, I realize this is only for the top 100 products, but it is still a good indicator in my opinnion!

12-25-2006, 07:32 PM	#19
goodstuff Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Oct 2006 4K collection:509 Blu-ray collection:6535 Blu-ray reviews: 85 Trading Score:6	Someone over at DVDTalk posted a gloating thread about hidefdigest's Best of 2006 picks. Dobyblue's average listing was mentioned and linked by someone else and he immediately got railed on by the HD-DVD people. Check out the thread and see how the HD-DVD people end up saying "you can't go by hidefdigest" now http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=487476

12-26-2006, 04:37 PM	#20
dobyblue Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jul 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Home Theater Gallery:71 4K collection:55 Blu-ray collection:655 Blu-ray reviews: 15	What a bunch of wallys. They just can't hack the truth.

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