Stop calling them "Black Bars" - Blu-ray Forum

cscBiology · 03-21-2008, 06:37 PM

The so called "black bars" is not there by accident but placed there by the director to contrast the colors between them. When those bars are removed, like in anamorphic widescreen, objects that were covered up are now observed to the viewing audiance (check out the princess bride). The reason they are not seen on SD TV is because the picture is modified to fill the whole screen and only when viewed in letter box can they be seen on an SDTV. So why on an HDTV are they still there?

Like I said before they are suppsed to be there. Even if you are watching letter box on an SDTC the picture is skewed so that it fits on the screen correctly (boxes are rectangles). On HDTV widescreen TV's boxes are now boxes and you can watch it as the director intended it!

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/764

Do not believe me...Seriously! Look for yourself... Never fully trust anything from anybody without doing the leg work to find it yourself. Take what I say and prove me wrong. This is how you learn!

Zaphod · 03-21-2008, 06:41 PM

Ahhhh...another "black bar" thread. Well at least this one is on the otherside of the topic and not asking what they are or how do I get rid of them.

CptGreedle · 03-21-2008, 06:49 PM

Do you have any idea how often this pops up?
Well I can say for one that they are not called Black Bars.. they are called "Letterbox" or "Pillarbox", depending on if they are on the top and bottom or the sides.
There is a sticky on this dude... use the search tool.

btf1980 · 03-21-2008, 06:54 PM

You have an LCD, wouldn't you call them grey bars? j/k

Knight-Errant · 03-21-2008, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by btf1980

You have an LCD, wouldn't you call them grey bars? j/k

LOL no I'd say that's a very good point

I'm continually frustrated by panel TVs black problems.

Zaphod · 03-21-2008, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by btf1980

You have an LCD, wouldn't you call them grey bars? j/k

I don't know why, but that was funny...

jpthomas27 · 03-21-2008, 07:02 PM

Nice explination of what has already been explained 100 of times on this board.

Any other topics you want to re-hash?

Chevypower · 03-21-2008, 07:07 PM

I know they are pillarboxes and letterboxes, I know why they are there. I still call them "black bars." and I am not going to stop saying "black bars." I am not talking about drinking venues which excludes white people either. Black bars, black bars, black bars.... ok I will stop now. :-)

Zaphod · 03-21-2008, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpthomas27

Nice explination of what has already been explained 100 of times on this board.

Any other topics you want to re-hash?

When was LOTR coming to Blu? Also does anyone know when Star Wars is coming as well?

111111 · 03-21-2008, 07:09 PM

You guys notice those black bars when you watch certain movies?

Chevypower · 03-21-2008, 07:18 PM

I have a suggestion as to why squares may look like rectangles on widescreen standard definition (though I have never really noticed it). Widescreen standard def just stretches the pixels, and are no longer square. The resolution is 720 pixels horizontal (same as 4:3 standard def). This is not the case in 1080 x 1920 where it is widescreen built up of square pixels.

Blu n Gold · 03-21-2008, 07:20 PM

I know black bars suck, but when are we getting Star Wars?

Knight-Errant · 03-21-2008, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RayEdwards

You guys notice those black bars when you watch certain movies?

They seemed quite prominent in 2001 a Space Oddyssey. They were actually part of the picture it seemed to me

Blu n Gold · 03-21-2008, 07:23 PM

Black Bars? They should be called "African-American Bars". That is more politically correct.

mystiksuicide · 03-21-2008, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cscBiology

The so called "black bars" is not there by accident but placed there by the director to contrast the colors between them. When those bars are removed, like in anamorphic widescreen, objects that were covered up are now observed to the viewing audiance (check out the princess bride). The reason they are not seen on SD TV is because the picture is modified to fill the whole screen and only when viewed in letter box can they be seen on an SDTV. So why on an HDTV are they still there?

Like I said before they are suppsed to be there. Even if you are watching letter box on an SDTC the picture is skewed so that it fits on the screen correctly (boxes are rectangles). On HDTV widescreen TV's boxes are now boxes and you can watch it as the director intended it!

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/764

Do not believe me...Seriously! Look for yourself... Never fully trust anything from anybody without doing the leg work to find it yourself. Take what I say and prove me wrong. This is how you learn!

Do you work for the committee to keep the black bars cause you posted this same thing in different threads now. Geez give it a rest!!!!

Beating a dead horse... bringing up/asking something that has been discussed a thousand times before

doctorsteve · 03-22-2008, 05:01 AM

Calling them black bars (as a description, not as their nickname) gives them more weight than they deserve. Look at the picture, not what's around it.

Maybe that's the cure... a custom border for the area around the picture so your screen is "full" again so "Bar *****ers" will be happier...

Just a thought...

Doc

turboedguy · 03-22-2008, 05:10 AM

Segregation is wrong.

View Poll Results: How do you feel about the "bars"?
Hate Them!	4	8.16%
Growing on me...	5	10.20%
What bars... where?	40	81.63%
Voters: 49. You may not vote on this poll

03-21-2008, 06:37 PM	#1
cscBiology Junior Member Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Long Island	Stop calling them "Black Bars" The so called "black bars" is not there by accident but placed there by the director to contrast the colors between them. When those bars are removed, like in anamorphic widescreen, objects that were covered up are now observed to the viewing audiance (check out the princess bride). The reason they are not seen on SD TV is because the picture is modified to fill the whole screen and only when viewed in letter box can they be seen on an SDTV. So why on an HDTV are they still there? Like I said before they are suppsed to be there. Even if you are watching letter box on an SDTC the picture is skewed so that it fits on the screen correctly (boxes are rectangles). On HDTV widescreen TV's boxes are now boxes and you can watch it as the director intended it! http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/764 Do not believe me...Seriously! Look for yourself... Never fully trust anything from anybody without doing the leg work to find it yourself. Take what I say and prove me wrong. This is how you learn!

03-22-2008, 05:01 AM	#16
doctorsteve Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Apr 2007 Location:Tonawanda, NY Home Theater Gallery:15 Blu-ray collection:188 Blu-ray reviews:16	Window dressing... Calling them black bars (as a description, not as their nickname) gives them more weight than they deserve. Look at the picture, not what's around it. Maybe that's the cure... a custom border for the area around the picture so your screen is "full" again so "Bar *****ers" will be happier... Just a thought... Doc

03-22-2008, 05:10 AM	#17
turboedguy Banned Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Santa Clarita Ca.	"Black Bars" Segregation is wrong.

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03-21-2008, 06:41 PM	#2
Zaphod Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Apr 2007 Location:A small planet somewhere in the vicinity of Betelgeuse. Blu-ray collection:350 Trading Score:4	Ahhhh...another "black bar" thread. Well at least this one is on the otherside of the topic and not asking what they are or how do I get rid of them.

03-21-2008, 06:49 PM	#3
CptGreedle Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Sworn super-hero now services Atlanta (and suburbs). Blu-ray collection:128 Blu-ray reviews:5	Do you have any idea how often this pops up? Well I can say for one that they are not called Black Bars.. they are called "Letterbox" or "Pillarbox", depending on if they are on the top and bottom or the sides. There is a sticky on this dude... use the search tool.

03-21-2008, 06:54 PM	#4
btf1980 Special Member Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Jan 2007 Location:NYC Home Theater Gallery:97 Trading Score:14	You have an LCD, wouldn't you call them grey bars? j/k

03-21-2008, 07:02 PM	#7
jpthomas27 Senior Member Member since:Feb 2008 Location:SoCal	Nice explination of what has already been explained 100 of times on this board. Any other topics you want to re-hash?

03-21-2008, 07:07 PM	#8
Chevypower Special Member Member since:Feb 2008	I know they are pillarboxes and letterboxes, I know why they are there. I still call them "black bars." and I am not going to stop saying "black bars." I am not talking about drinking venues which excludes white people either. Black bars, black bars, black bars.... ok I will stop now. :-)

03-21-2008, 07:09 PM	#10
111111 Banned Member since:Mar 2008 Location:St. Louis, MO Home Theater Gallery:24 Blu-ray collection:95 Blu-ray reviews:5 Trading Score:10	You guys notice those black bars when you watch certain movies?

03-21-2008, 07:18 PM	#11
Chevypower Special Member Member since:Feb 2008	I have a suggestion as to why squares may look like rectangles on widescreen standard definition (though I have never really noticed it). Widescreen standard def just stretches the pixels, and are no longer square. The resolution is 720 pixels horizontal (same as 4:3 standard def). This is not the case in 1080 x 1920 where it is widescreen built up of square pixels.

03-21-2008, 07:20 PM	#12
Blu n Gold Senior Member Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Short Stop	I know black bars suck, but when are we getting Star Wars?

03-21-2008, 07:23 PM	#14
Blu n Gold Senior Member Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Short Stop	Black Bars? They should be called "African-American Bars". That is more politically correct.

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