It's like VHS vs. Beta, isn't it?!

[tobythetitan]

OK, here's how I see it. Those of us around during the big VHS or Beta debate will recall. The format that won out there was the one that was least expensive (players and tapes). Beta was in all (tech) cases the more superior. So, why did VHS win out? Cost! and maybe availability. I only knew a small handful of people with Beta (they were the rich kids) but everyone else in town had VHS. I just picture history repeating itself and if people can not be brain-washed by the "SONY" name on Blu-Ray like they are with everything else, HD will capture the majority of consumers in the long run. Plus as mentioned numerous times on this site (by even Blu-Ray supporters) the movie selection isn't exactly run out and drop $600 bucks on a player material. I mean, Disney is exlusive to Blu-Ray, but really, I can watch Bambi on regular DVD if need be.

[Maximus]

Please cease and desist. There is no need for another one of these HD DVD fanboy threads.

[tobythetitan]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

Please cease and desist. There is no need for another one of these HD DVD fanboy threads.

That's all you can say. Shut the HD fan up?! I stated the facts about VHS and Beta and which one was victorious in that battle? I wanted to draw a parrallel between HD and Blu-Ray and get a Blu-Ray supporters opinion- and that's what you have to say? I'm not saying I won't eventually get a Blu-Ray player, I probably will. But I'm not an HD fan that would tell a Blu-Ray fan to shut up- cause I'm open to other peoples thoughts and opinions. That is why I came here to get them.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by tobythetitan

That's all you can say. Shut the HD fan up?! I stated the facts about VHS and Beta and which one was victorious in that battle? I wanted to draw a parrallel between HD and Blu-Ray and get a Blu-Ray supporters opinion- and that's what you have to say? I'm not saying I won't eventually get a Blu-Ray player, I probably will. But I'm not an HD fan that would tell a Blu-Ray fan to shut up- cause I'm open to other peoples thoughts and opinions. That is why I came here to get them.

Now I'm angry.

1. More studio support 7 from 8 majors.

2. The best and brightest of Japan and Corean manufacturers.

3. PS3 - cheap entry.

4. You already mentioned the tech side but I will reiterate how important it is, very.

5. By the time normal people are interested in either format there won't be a large disparity in price unless Toshiba continues to take a hit on every player sold. (LG ~ $450-500)

There you wanted some answers you got 'em.

[tobythetitan]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

Now I'm angry.

1. More studio support 7 from 8 majors. I think time will tell on the loyalties of the studios. They're going with the one they think will come out on top, but if it were to sway, they'll drop like flies.

2. The best and brightest of Japan and Corean manufacturers. It's Korean- but you didn't say the best and brightest posters.

3. PS3 - cheap entry. PS3 was designed as a vehicle to push this format, if I want a video game player, I'll buy one- If I want a movie player I'll buy one. I'm not spending $600 on a PS3 because it plays Blu-Ray (I own every system back to the Atari excluding Sony). Talk regular players- Blu-Ray is more expensive.

4. You already mentioned the tech side but I will reiterate how important it is, very. Again, consumers will skimp on tech to save money, already proven.

5. By the time normal people are interested in either format there won't be a large disparity in price unless Toshiba continues to take a hit on every player sold. (LG ~ $450-500) Every company takes a hit with the players- they don't make money from those.
There you wanted some answers you got 'em.

I do appreciate your view- I'm just saying the least expensive one usually wins out.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by tobythetitan

I do appreciate your view- I'm just saying the least expensive one usually wins out.

OK then.

1. That is your opinion, an insignificant on at that. There are otoh quotes from said exclusive studios about their loyalty to BD or HD (Universal).

2. Wow, I think you will find that in Corea, they spell it Corea and Corean people outside of Corea spell it Corea. You call me thick, I call you ignorant.

3. So just there you prove you really are an anti-BD troll - no Sony eh - I think you will find that if you took enough time to see that the PS and PS2 are incredibly entertaining Guitar Hero 2 anybody? Brand new Samsung BD-P1000 with free delivery for $570.

4. Again your opinion, but for the record, the highest selling HDTV sets are made by Samsung, Sony and Sharp, hardly skimping on price.

5. I think you will find that NO BD company is making a loss other than Panasonic and Sony and that is not related to their players, rather the replication lines.



On a side note I would have prefferd my 200th post to be a bit more jolly, but nothing like kicking some fanboy arse is there!

[56@Yamamoto]

Oh, VHS had single biggest most-influential CE manufacturer, 'Panasonic'.
In fact, this one thing was the biggest decisive factor.

Now, Panasonic is the most influential (rather than SONY) board menber of the BDA.

[56@Yamamoto]

Oh, and Funai, world's biggest OEM DVD player maker, announced last December that they to begin producing Blu-ray player for OEM supply in 2007.

This means overall price of Blu-ray player will down drastically in 2007.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by tobythetitan

That's all you can say. Shut the HD fan up?! I stated the facts about VHS and Beta and which one was victorious in that battle?

You stated the facts that supported your position, and ignored the facts that didn't.

VHS initially had higher capacity.
VHS had better CE support which generated the competition that lead to the lower pricing. Neither were cheap by any stretch of the imagination.
Both formats had full studio support.

It isn't the same this time.

Quality is the only reason to buy HD discs. If you insist price rules the mindset, then DVD will forever reign over the far more expensive players and discs of HD.

Gary

[C6 Z06]

Originally Posted by tobythetitan

OK, here's how I see it. Those of us around during the big VHS or Beta debate will recall. The format that won out there was the one that was least expensive (players and tapes). Beta was in all (tech) cases the more superior. So, why did VHS win out? Cost! and maybe availability. I only knew a small handful of people with Beta (they were the rich kids) but everyone else in town had VHS. I just picture history repeating itself and if people can not be brain-washed by the "SONY" name on Blu-Ray like they are with everything else, HD will capture the majority of consumers in the long run. Plus as mentioned numerous times on this site (by even Blu-Ray supporters) the movie selection isn't exactly run out and drop $600 bucks on a player material. I mean, Disney is exlusive to Blu-Ray, but really, I can watch Bambi on regular DVD if need be.

If it makes you feel better and sleep at night "poor boy" to buy your HD-DVD, have at it. I guess what you're saying is you would rather the superior Blu-ray, but you can't afford it so the weaker of the two should win. Sounds like all the Mustang drivers telling me their car is better in every way over the vettes I drive, because that's what they own!! Keep typing my friend. Do you need a loan to help you step up to Blu-ray??

[tobythetitan]

Originally Posted by C6 Z06

If it makes you feel better and sleep at night "poor boy" to buy your HD-DVD, have at it. I guess what you're saying is you would rather the superior Blu-ray, but you can't afford it so the weaker of the two should win. Sounds like all the Mustang drivers telling me their car is better in every way over the vettes I drive, because that's what they own!! Keep typing my friend. Do you need a loan to help you step up to Blu-ray??

Again, someone else missing the point of my post. I CAN afford a Blu-Ray, it's what the rest of America and consumers can and are willing to. VHS vs. Beta proved that. The "weaker" of the two does win if it means keeping some money in the consumers pocket.

[tobythetitan]

Originally Posted by C6 Z06

Do you need a loan to help you step up to Blu-ray??

No where in my post did it mention I owned either so would there really be a need to "step up"? And you proved my point. The people that can afford to "drive" vettes are the people that bought Beta cause they could afford it. So, enjoy driving your vette and let me know how that Blu-Ray player is holding down paper in 10 years.