Hd-dvd Is Winning By 4% In Standalone Players - Blu-ray Forum

HDTV1080P · 02-03-2007, 06:10 AM

With these numbers it would appear HD-DVD is winning the format war. 52% of HD-DVD standalones sold and 48% of BLU-RAY players sold. BLU-RAY is catching up very fast to HD-DVD. In a few more weeks most likely there will be more BLU-RAY standalone players sold then HD-DVD. If these numbers would have included the PLAYSTATION 3 then the numbers would be more like 90% BLU-RAY to 10% HD-DVD.

http://www.videobusiness.com/article....html?nid=2705

Polyh3dron · 02-03-2007, 06:17 AM

I'm a BD buyer and I'm not included in that because I use a PS3 as I'm sure all the other people who even have a fleeting interest in games and want a BD player would use. It's the most future-proof BD player out there AND it's the cheapest.

Jack Torrance · 02-03-2007, 06:30 AM

Per the article, it does not include the xbox 360 add-on... if it did, that would make a 0.5% difference.

But if they included PS3 sales... oy... 90%+ in blu-ray's favor?

Interesting to note they say that BD players are more expensive and are still catching up in sales... but they fail to mention the one thing I think makes a difference... CONTENT.

At this rate, within this year, BD should be the dominant format with full studio support ... in a perfect world at least.

onanie · 02-03-2007, 07:05 AM

It is good to see that standalone numbers are actually so close between the formats in reality. I fear that I had been convinced to a degree to think otherwise - if lies were prevalent enough, one might start to believe. I am not surprised that even people here are surprised to see the numbers.

One of the few arguments left for HD DVD these days is player prices. However (we should congratulate humanity), there are people like us who can appreciate more than the one-dimensional nature of "el cheapo". Testament to this, blu-ray are able to sell a similar number of players at twice the price of their competition. I couldn't have imagined.

Toshiba is probably not oblivious to this data. Perhaps they have severely underpriced for the early adopter stage of the market.

dialog_gvf · 02-03-2007, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Torrance

Interesting to note they say that BD players are more expensive and are still catching up in sales... but they fail to mention the one thing I think makes a difference... CONTENT.

Note that this is to the end of 2006, before the BD studios announced a flood at CES, Warner announced a plan to catchup, and Universal went silent!

Can you imagine what the sales have been like since?!

Gary

b2bonez · 02-03-2007, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Note that this is to the end of 2006, before the BD studios announced a flood at CES, Warner announced a plan to catchup, and Universal went silent!

Can you imagine what the sales have been like since?!

Gary

All the crap about the Toshiba players (A2) selling like hotcakes is BS too. They will do good to sell 15,000 per month average. That's about half what the DVD rate was back in '98. Most regular consumers aren't even going to give HD a close look until their local B&M rental stores start having day and date new title releases anyway.

b2b

dialog_gvf · 02-03-2007, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by b2bonez

All the crap about the Toshiba players (A2) selling like hotcakes is BS too. They will do good to sell 15,000 per month average. That's about half what the DVD rate was back in '98. Most regular consumers aren't even going to give HD a close look until their local B&M rental stores start having day and date new title releases anyway.

I note a new recruit is now spamming (Timothy Ramzyk) and he's claiming the A2 only hit the steet last week ("and is selling very well").

Soooo, Toshiba can't manage to get a player out less than FOUR months late (it was supposed to be out in October) and or work properly?! And Amir tells us to expect LESS from the Chinese?!

Wow, that's a scary thought.

Gary

KenThompson · 02-03-2007, 09:30 PM

I myself always intended to buy a stand alone (Sony). I was however tempted by the Playstation's price. It may well be an excellent player but I had to have the beautiful looks and heft of the BDP S1. Its built like a tank. Haven't had a single problem with it yet. I was tempted to wait for the hdmi 1.3 but I just couldn't hold out that long. Love my Sony.

dialog_gvf · 02-03-2007, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Mack

holy hell, over at AVS, they always say Hddvd standalones are outselling BD ones by a 5-1 margin!!!

PLEASE someone post this over there! I have been in too many feuds the past day or so or I would!!!

And they will continue to say so. Facts aren't allowed in the all-spin zone.

Blackraven · 02-03-2007, 06:22 AM

Blu-ray is catching up. They're not far behind (unlike four-five months ago).

Btw, do they count Blu-ray recorder devices (the ones sold in Japan) in the stand-alone player category or are these separate from the said list.

HDTV1080P · 02-03-2007, 06:24 AM

These are US standalone players only. Computer BLU-RAY and HD-DVD drives are not counted in the number. Videogame systems are not counted either.

HDTV1080P · 02-03-2007, 06:26 AM

If someone posts it, place on the top that HD-DVD is winning. Everyone will want to read it and then they will be upset that BLU-RAY is only 4% behind.

Iceman_II · 02-03-2007, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

These are US standalone players only. Computer BLU-RAY and HD-DVD drives are not counted in the number. Videogame systems are not counted either.

Ignoring the impact of videogame systems in the format war is like ignoring tactical nukes because they are "unconvental" They may not be counted, but they sure as hell count.

Slippy · 02-03-2007, 07:30 AM

Holy crap. Thats a huge difference to what I heard at AVS / everywhere.

Deciazulado · 02-03-2007, 08:17 AM

You believe what the A-man Video Show broadcasts?

Kierre · 02-03-2007, 08:24 AM

Don't forget the late launch dates of the Sony and Pioneer stand alone units. Now that they are out there, among Samsung, Panasonic and LG in FULL production, it's simply a matter of time

Petra · 02-03-2007, 12:28 PM

Another AVS myth is busted

Blubaru · 02-03-2007, 01:07 PM

I wonder if they counted the 360 add-ons.

JTK · 02-03-2007, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Petra

Another AVS myth is busted

Beautiful...ain't it?

Blue · 02-03-2007, 01:37 PM

What sample is that based on, just the US, North America, or more? In Australia it's 100% Blu-ray purchases 0% HD-DVD, yes some people are importing HD-DVD from the US as HD-DVD is sooo much better - yes they believe each others FUD. Although only a small number - you can't count one purchase twice (well HD-DVD group manage to count things that suit them 2 or 3 times), so if they were purchased from the US somehow - that is NOT a purchase in Oz. Mind you the price that is being asked for the Blu-ray players they will NOT be selling well either.

02-03-2007, 06:10 AM	#1
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	Hd-dvd Is Winning By 4% In Standalone Players With these numbers it would appear HD-DVD is winning the format war. 52% of HD-DVD standalones sold and 48% of BLU-RAY players sold. BLU-RAY is catching up very fast to HD-DVD. In a few more weeks most likely there will be more BLU-RAY standalone players sold then HD-DVD. If these numbers would have included the PLAYSTATION 3 then the numbers would be more like 90% BLU-RAY to 10% HD-DVD. http://www.videobusiness.com/article....html?nid=2705

02-03-2007, 08:24 AM	#16
Kierre Active Member Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Odenton, MD Blu-ray collection:97 Trading Score:4	Just a matter of time... Don't forget the late launch dates of the Sony and Pioneer stand alone units. Now that they are out there, among Samsung, Panasonic and LG in FULL production, it's simply a matter of time

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02-03-2007, 06:17 AM	#2
Polyh3dron Senior Member Member since:Dec 2006	I'm a BD buyer and I'm not included in that because I use a PS3 as I'm sure all the other people who even have a fleeting interest in games and want a BD player would use. It's the most future-proof BD player out there AND it's the cheapest.

02-03-2007, 06:30 AM	#3
Jack Torrance Special Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Overlook Hotel Blu-ray reviews:1	Per the article, it does not include the xbox 360 add-on... if it did, that would make a 0.5% difference. But if they included PS3 sales... oy... 90%+ in blu-ray's favor? Interesting to note they say that BD players are more expensive and are still catching up in sales... but they fail to mention the one thing I think makes a difference... CONTENT. At this rate, within this year, BD should be the dominant format with full studio support ... in a perfect world at least.

02-03-2007, 07:05 AM	#4
onanie Active Member Member since:Nov 2006	It is good to see that standalone numbers are actually so close between the formats in reality. I fear that I had been convinced to a degree to think otherwise - if lies were prevalent enough, one might start to believe. I am not surprised that even people here are surprised to see the numbers. One of the few arguments left for HD DVD these days is player prices. However (we should congratulate humanity), there are people like us who can appreciate more than the one-dimensional nature of "el cheapo". Testament to this, blu-ray are able to sell a similar number of players at twice the price of their competition. I couldn't have imagined. Toshiba is probably not oblivious to this data. Perhaps they have severely underpriced for the early adopter stage of the market.

02-03-2007, 09:30 PM	#8
KenThompson Power Member Member since:Sep 2006 Location:B.C. Canada	I myself always intended to buy a stand alone (Sony). I was however tempted by the Playstation's price. It may well be an excellent player but I had to have the beautiful looks and heft of the BDP S1. Its built like a tank. Haven't had a single problem with it yet. I was tempted to wait for the hdmi 1.3 but I just couldn't hold out that long. Love my Sony.

02-03-2007, 06:22 AM	#10
Blackraven Expert Member Member since:Jan 2005 Location:Makati, Philippines	Blu-ray is catching up. They're not far behind (unlike four-five months ago). Btw, do they count Blu-ray recorder devices (the ones sold in Japan) in the stand-alone player category or are these separate from the said list.

02-03-2007, 06:24 AM	#11
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	These are US standalone players only. Computer BLU-RAY and HD-DVD drives are not counted in the number. Videogame systems are not counted either.

02-03-2007, 06:26 AM	#12
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	If someone posts it, place on the top that HD-DVD is winning. Everyone will want to read it and then they will be upset that BLU-RAY is only 4% behind.

02-03-2007, 07:30 AM	#14
Slippy Junior Member Member since:Feb 2007	Holy crap. Thats a huge difference to what I heard at AVS / everywhere.

02-03-2007, 08:17 AM	#15
Deciazulado Site Manager Top contributor Member since:Aug 2006 Location:USiberia Home Theater Gallery:6 4K collection:1160 Blu-ray collection:7047 DVD collection:4044	You believe what the A-man Video Show broadcasts?

02-03-2007, 12:28 PM	#17
Petra Senior Member Member since:Dec 2006	Another AVS myth is busted

02-03-2007, 01:07 PM	#18
Blubaru Expert Member Member since:Oct 2006 Location:Tonight! you!	I wonder if they counted the 360 add-ons.

02-03-2007, 01:37 PM	#20
Blue Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jan 2005 Location:Melbourne Australia Blu-ray collection:206	What sample is that based on, just the US, North America, or more? In Australia it's 100% Blu-ray purchases 0% HD-DVD, yes some people are importing HD-DVD from the US as HD-DVD is sooo much better - yes they believe each others FUD. Although only a small number - you can't count one purchase twice (well HD-DVD group manage to count things that suit them 2 or 3 times), so if they were purchased from the US somehow - that is NOT a purchase in Oz. Mind you the price that is being asked for the Blu-ray players they will NOT be selling well either.

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