Ghost In The Shell 1 & 2 questions - Blu-ray Forum

iownu · 12-01-2008, 06:27 AM

So I hear GITS1 PQ sucks? Is that true? I also heard that GITS2 - Innocence PQ is amazing.

I also see some weird 2.0 version of GITS out there. What's the deal with these and will there be better releases or should I get what's out there now?

Thanks

jd213 · 12-01-2008, 06:42 AM

Yeah, GITS one uses an old master. It's better than the DVD and is the best version of the film though, but I hope a new remaster comes someday. The audio is only 2.0 PCM (encoded in Dolby Surround so you can use ProLogic to make it surround), but the Japanese 5.1 track on the US DVDs is just a cheap upmix done for the US. It might sound "better" to some but it's technically inferior IMO.

2.0 features a new 5.1 remix with newly recorded dialogue (the Puppet Master is now played by one of Oishii's favorite voice actresses, Yoshiko Sakakibara). It also features some of the scenes replaced with CGI, which has been mocked by a great many. The green color prevalent through much of the film is also now replaced with orange for some reason. I haven't seen the 2.0 version yet, but I might rent it. It comes out on Blu-ray in Japan this month, and will have English subtitles.

Mobe1969 · 12-01-2008, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jd213

Yeah, GITS one uses an old master. It's better than the DVD and is the best version of the film though, but I hope a new remaster comes someday. The audio is only 2.0 PCM (encoded in Dolby Surround so you can use ProLogic to make it surround), but the Japanese 5.1 track on the US DVDs is just a cheap upmix done for the US. It might sound "better" to some but it's technically inferior IMO.

2.0 features a new 5.1 remix with newly recorded dialogue (the Puppet Master is now played by one of Oishii's favorite voice actresses, Yoshiko Sakakibara). It also features some of the scenes replaced with CGI, which has been mocked by a great many. The green color prevalent through much of the film is also now replaced with orange for some reason. I haven't seen the 2.0 version yet, but I might rent it. It comes out on Blu-ray in Japan this month, and will have English subtitles.

The 2.0 version has subs? You sure? Can you confirm when you do get it. The original press release said only the original had english subs.

Regarding the first one, it was a poor pillarboxed effort, like most of those Honemaise Blu Ray releases. Jin Roh, WXIII, Ghost in the Shell are all pillarboxed. Patlabor 1 and 2 got remastered (thank god).

jd213 · 12-01-2008, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mobe1969

The 2.0 version has subs? You sure? Can you confirm when you do get it. The original press release said only the original had english subs.

Yeah, Bandai Visual updated the product page a little while ago. http://www.asianblurayguide.com/news...ish_subtitles/

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Regarding the first one, it was a poor pillarboxed effort, like most of those Honemaise Blu Ray releases. Jin Roh, WXIII, Ghost in the Shell are all pillarboxed. Patlabor 1 and 2 got remastered (thank god).

You mean windowboxed (black bars on all sides, pillarboxing is bars on the sides)? Yeah, this did happen but it doesn't have anything to do with the remastering or the PQ. All of those Blu-rays you listed look great (except GITS).

Jeff Kleist · 12-01-2008, 08:57 AM

Japanese transfers always compensate for overscan. The pillarboxing is quite small.

jd213 · 12-01-2008, 09:13 AM

Is there a specific reason for this? I assumed it's because widescreen CRTs were available here (Japan) sooner and were more popular, but if you have any other info/speculation I'd be curious to hear it.

I remember the scene in Strange Days when it shows a widescreen CRT in a bar or something, and it was all supposed to be like "ooo, it's the future cuz' it's the year 2000 and everybody has widescreen TVs! " but they were already pretty commonplace in Japan when that movie was made.

GGX · 12-01-2008, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jd213

The audio is only 2.0 PCM (encoded in Dolby Surround so you can use ProLogic to make it surround)

lol. That makes no sense. Its just standard 2.0 PCM audio. If it was encoded in Dolby Surround then it wouldnt technically be PCM anymore.

Jeff Kleist · 12-01-2008, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GGX

lol. That makes no sense. Its just standard 2.0 PCM audio. If it was encoded in Dolby Surround then it wouldnt technically be PCM anymore.

Dolby surround uses a stereo channel with a matrixed mono rear channel. It's a 2.0 source

GGX · 12-01-2008, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

Dolby surround uses a stereo channel with a matrixed mono rear channel. It's a 2.0 source

How can an audio track be encoded in Dolby Surround yet still be uncompressed PCM at the same time? Thats what I'm saying.

Jeff Kleist · 12-01-2008, 11:26 PM

Dolby Surround is not Dolby Digital. There are inaudible cues in the sound itself that tell the receiver to which speaker to direct the sound. GITS was originally mixed this way for theatrical release. Surround was commonly used on vhs as well.

12-01-2008, 06:27 AM	#1
iownu Member Member since:May 2008 Location:Osaka	Ghost In The Shell 1 & 2 questions So I hear GITS1 PQ sucks? Is that true? I also heard that GITS2 - Innocence PQ is amazing. I also see some weird 2.0 version of GITS out there. What's the deal with these and will there be better releases or should I get what's out there now? Thanks

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12-01-2008, 06:42 AM	#2
jd213 Special Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:less than 10 minutes from Akihabara	Yeah, GITS one uses an old master. It's better than the DVD and is the best version of the film though, but I hope a new remaster comes someday. The audio is only 2.0 PCM (encoded in Dolby Surround so you can use ProLogic to make it surround), but the Japanese 5.1 track on the US DVDs is just a cheap upmix done for the US. It might sound "better" to some but it's technically inferior IMO. 2.0 features a new 5.1 remix with newly recorded dialogue (the Puppet Master is now played by one of Oishii's favorite voice actresses, Yoshiko Sakakibara). It also features some of the scenes replaced with CGI, which has been mocked by a great many. The green color prevalent through much of the film is also now replaced with orange for some reason. I haven't seen the 2.0 version yet, but I might rent it. It comes out on Blu-ray in Japan this month, and will have English subtitles.

12-01-2008, 08:57 AM	#5
Jeff Kleist The Digital Bits Member since:Jul 2008 Trading Score:1	Japanese transfers always compensate for overscan. The pillarboxing is quite small.

12-01-2008, 09:13 AM	#6
jd213 Special Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:less than 10 minutes from Akihabara	Is there a specific reason for this? I assumed it's because widescreen CRTs were available here (Japan) sooner and were more popular, but if you have any other info/speculation I'd be curious to hear it. I remember the scene in Strange Days when it shows a widescreen CRT in a bar or something, and it was all supposed to be like "ooo, it's the future cuz' it's the year 2000 and everybody has widescreen TVs! " but they were already pretty commonplace in Japan when that movie was made.

12-01-2008, 11:26 PM	#10
Jeff Kleist The Digital Bits Member since:Jul 2008 Trading Score:1	Dolby Surround is not Dolby Digital. There are inaudible cues in the sound itself that tell the receiver to which speaker to direct the sound. GITS was originally mixed this way for theatrical release. Surround was commonly used on vhs as well.

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