Sony, white flag is good....this solution is better. READ!

[tron3]

I'm putting my other thoughts from other threads into here.

blu-ray has investors, and HD-DVD has fewer investors. Both sides are pushing their product because they have stock holders to answer to. No one wants to loose their job, no one wants to be the loser investor, and no one at HD-DVD has enough balls to look at the Sony offer.

Here is what you do....1..Press conference...

You make an UP FRONT offer to HD-DVD. "We will keep your name on our technology. We like the marketing potential of a familar name. We will give you licenses to produce blu-ray products."

Hold your breath..here is where it becomes crazy beautiful....

"And we are willing to share the profits with YOUR stock holders. No one losses, only one technology will prevail...and no one has to lose their job, or their investment capital."

Put any slant you want on this, Sony, but you have to do something for THEIR investors and absorb them. The ends will justify the means with only a few bruised egos. Consumer confidence will be high, sales will sky rocket, and everyone will make money. If there is no standard 90% of the market will "wait and see" and sales will NOT return on the R&D cost for either of you!

If you guys (hd-dvd) keep playing games, consumers will hate you in the end. Apollo Creed went to Rocky's side in the movie to defeat a common enemy....and the enemy is pride. The fudiciary rewards will be enormous. TALK TO SONY. Sony, offer a ridulously sweet deal. Yeah, we know you don't have to, but someone has to be the hero before the consumers become victims. Neither of you want us to hate you....and many will hate BOTH if two standards come out.

This will hurt regular DVD sales as well, because everyone is waiting for a victor to emerge. No one wants to pay for DVD technology to buy another one in 6 months when a victor as emerged. Both OLD and new markets are at risk.

Stop thinking with your wallets. I know people, and most will accept NEITHER. Stop the war.

[Gorkab]

Originally Posted by tron3

I'm putting my other thoughts from other threads into here.

blu-ray has investors, and HD-DVD has fewer investors. Both sides are pushing their product because they have stock holders to answer to. No one wants to loose their job, no one wants to be the loser investor, and no one at HD-DVD has enough balls to look at the Sony offer.

Here is what you do....1..Press conference...

You make an UP FRONT offer to HD-DVD. "We will keep your name on our technology. We like the marketing potential of a familar name. We will give you licenses to produce blu-ray products."

Hold your breath..here is where it becomes crazy beautiful....

"And we are willing to share the profits with YOUR stock holders. No one losses, only one technology will prevail...and no one has to lose their job, or their investment capital."

Put any slant you want on this, Sony, but you have to do something for THEIR investors and absorb them. The ends will justify the means with only a few bruised egos. Consumer confidence will be high, sales will sky rocket, and everyone will make money. If there is no standard 90% of the market will "wait and see" and sales will NOT return on the R&D cost for either of you!

If you guys (hd-dvd) keep playing games, consumers will hate you in the end. Apollo Creed went to Rocky's side in the movie to defeat a common enemy....and the enemy is pride. The fudiciary rewards will be enormous. TALK TO SONY. Sony, offer a ridulously sweet deal. Yeah, we know you don't have to, but someone has to be the hero before the consumers become victims. Neither of you want us to hate you....and many will hate BOTH if two standards come out.

This will hurt regular DVD sales as well, because everyone is waiting for a victor to emerge. No one wants to pay for DVD technology to buy another one in 6 months when a victor as emerged. Both OLD and new markets are at risk.

Stop thinking with your wallets. I know people, and most will accept NEITHER. Stop the war.

There's another issue of this conflict : No one wins, DVD keep on touch... 8)

[zombie]

My only complaint with your position is that you kept signaling out Sony as the controlling party behind Blu-ray. I seriously doubt those 100+ companies that joined the BDA did so with the understanding that if Sony wanted to merge with HD-DVD they could. Trust me, everyone in the BDA has a voice. At minimum, I believe the majority of BDA members would need to agree with any proposed merge.

[tron3]

Originally Posted by n2blu

My only complaint with your position is that you kept signaling out Sony as the controlling party behind Blu-ray. I seriously doubt those 100+ companies that joined the BDA did so with the understanding that if Sony wanted to merge with HD-DVD they could. Trust me, everyone in the BDA has a voice. At minimum, I believe the majority of BDA members would need to agree with any proposed merge.

Didn't Sonly develope Blu-ray? They already have it in Japan. Sony also extended the "olive branch" to Toshiba who staunchy declined. Yes, they all have a voice, but appearance is Sony is the only one speaking.

[Gorkab]

Originally Posted by tron3

Didn't Sony develope Blu-ray? They already have it in Japan. Sony also extended the "olive branch" to Toshiba who staunchy declined. Yes, they all have a voice, but appearance is Sony is the only one speaking.

Nope, you just see one part of the iceberg but if you take a look at the HD-DVD's website you'll see that they truly believe on their format ! It's SONY who started the negociations, not HD-DVD because it seems that they're not afraid of the market, Blu-Ray yes.

[zombie]

Of the over 100 companies supporting Blu-ray, only Sony and Panasonic have been quite vocal about the format. It's the same thing with HD-DVD where Toshiba is the most vocal. HD-DVD has more than one company running the show too.

[thunderhawk]

but if you take a look at the HD-DVD's website

What's their official website actually?
I can't find it, I probably know the adress already, not knowing its the official website...

[Gorkab]

Originally Posted by thunderhawk

What's their official website actually?
I can't find it, I probably know the adress already, not knowing its the official website...

Here it is :

http://www.hddvdprg.com/

[thunderhawk]

Originally Posted by Thunderhawk

What's their official website actually?

Originally Posted by Gorkab

Here it is :
http://www.hddvdprg.com/

Pff... Their format is lame...
All about "supported by the DVD forum" bla bla bla, no mention of AOD or Blu-ray Disc on the website.
Probably because they'll have to admit Blu-ray is superior! :lol:

...Sad

[CathodeRayTube]

and then the big black cloud that is D-VHS rises up and rains on the plastic disc parade... 8)

[Patrick]

I dont think Blu-ray should try to do anything with hd-dvd, Blu-ray is winning the war already. People can learn the Blu-ray name very easily once they start seeing it printed on movies. Sony and other blu-ray companies have worked to hard to try a compromise at this point or give anything to Toshiba. And hd-dvd and its promoters (like microsoft and intel)has done nothing but tell untruths about Blu-ray and its capabilities. They deserve to crash and burn.

[Blue]

"And we are willing to share the profits with YOUR stock holders. No one losses, only one technology will prevail...and no one has to lose their job, or their investment capital."

Tron nice sentiment but a minor flaw your theory. Toshiba are quite happily creaming millions off DVD (one estimate 100M) and none of that is going to the Sony shareholders.
This is business or is that war with stocks instead of bullets. Toshiba had a big win with DVD and tried and failed with the next generation - just like Sony with Betamax.
I'm sure they will get over it. The name would be nice, but don't think Blu Ray are going to pay much for it - a few blu ray blank disc's maybe, better still a HP laptop, using a Sony LCD screen with a Panasonic blu ray drive, wrapped in Dell packaging with Apple O/S (we can't have Mircosoft) keyboard from Philips, games from Paramount on TDK media - that should about cover it and keep Toshiba occupied for the next decade and hopefully they will be involved with our next generation of toys.
On the other hand Blu Ray is a name that can't be easilly confused with DVD, so maybe an advantage.

[Chappers]

I wouldn't want the next generation media to even have the letters "DVD" in them, as it will only serve to confuse the less technically-minded.

For exampled "I'm just going into town to rent a Video" has become "I'm just going into town to rent a DVD". Can you imagine that becoming "I'm just going into town to rent a HD-DVD"?.

Saying that, replace HD-DVD with Blu-Ray, and I still can't quite get it to work in my head.

Joe Public's going to have a hard time whatever way you look at it.


I'd have preferred it even more if they weren't disc-shaped either, but then triangular media wouldn't work so well methinks.

[Knight-Errant]

I dunno. Blu-ray seems to trip off the tongue a lot more easily than HD-DVD

[Alex Pallas]

Originally Posted by Knight-Errant

I dunno. Blu-ray seems to trip off the tongue a lot more easily than HD-DVD

now that you've bought a brand new HD-tv why not compliment it with a brand new HD-dvd player?
beisdes what makes it more confusing is that techically Blu-Ray is high definition DVD

[Knight-Errant]

Originally Posted by Alex Pallas

now that you've bought a brand new HD-tv why not compliment it with a brand new HD-dvd player?
beisdes what makes it more confusing is that techically Blu-Ray is high definition DVD

Oh I totally accept that.
I was just pointing out that it's easier to say "let's go rent a blu-ray" than "let's go rent an hd-dvd". Granted most people would just call it DVD :P

[Gorkab]

I agree, this had worked out with Game Boy but with something like a movie I don't think so... :lol:

[Chappers]

Originally Posted by Alex Pallas

now that you've bought a brand new HD-tv why not compliment it with a brand new HD-dvd player?
beisdes what makes it more confusing is that techically Blu-Ray is high definition DVD

As far as I know, Blu-Ray has nothing to do with DVD, which is one reason why the DVD Forum has kind-of supported HD-DVD (an evolution of DVD) - they have no control over BluRay as it is out of their juristiction.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong here.


I still stand by what I said earlier, in that both media's monikers are too awkward for the consumer to absorb into every-day use - at least not without causing confusion. HD-DVD started out as "AOD" if I remember correctly - but that too wouldn't roll-off-the-tongue. In my humble opinion, Toshiba altered the name to HD-DVD to try and win favour through familiarity - and has probably had a degree of success in that field.

I'm all for BluRay coming out the victor in this little feud, but a new term has to come into use when it's properly launched. May I suggest "BMD". (BluRay Media Disc) It doesn't necessarily have to mean that, and the public don't have to have it rubbed in their faces - heck, ask the average Jo on the street what DVD stands for, and I guarantee you not everyone will know - but it has to be easier for people to associate.

[zombie]

Originally Posted by Chappers

As far as I know, Blu-Ray has nothing to do with DVD, which is one reason why the DVD Forum has kind-of supported HD-DVD (an evolution of DVD) - they have no control over BluRay as it is out of their juristiction.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong here.

You are indeed correct. Blu-ray is not a form of high definition DVD nor is it any kind of DVD. People are getting into the habit of wording it "Blu-ray DVD" because they think it's easier for others to know what they're talking about. Sadly it just adds to the confusion.

I still stand by what I said earlier, in that both media's monikers are too awkward for the consumer to absorb into every-day use - at least not without causing confusion. HD-DVD started out as "AOD" if I remember correctly - but that too wouldn't roll-off-the-tongue. In my humble opinion, Toshiba altered the name to HD-DVD to try and win favour through familiarity - and has probably had a degree of success in that field.

I'm all for BluRay coming out the victor in this little feud, but a new term has to come into use when it's properly launched. May I suggest "BMD". (BluRay Media Disc) It doesn't necessarily have to mean that, and the public don't have to have it rubbed in their faces - heck, ask the average Jo on the street what DVD stands for, and I guarantee you not everyone will know - but it has to be easier for people to associate.

Blu-ray already has a nickname which is said to be what it'll be refered to as once it's launched. That name is "BD" which stands for Blu-ray Disc. If that abbrevation will stick or not, I do not know. I like it but it doesn't exactly explain what we'll refer to the hardware as.

[Alex Pallas]

interesting, well regaurdless, Blu-Ray is HD video even if it isn't HD-DVD. but then again what does DVD really mean? i know it stands for 'digital video disc' and it stores a weird version of MPEG that needs to be decrypted to store onto a computer rather than copied; but isn't the BD format going to be based on MPEG as well?
so DVD stands for a certain 'disc' storage style so to speak?