"Sony should remove the Blu-ray drive from the PS3" (new article) - Blu-ray Forum

HDTV1080P · 06-09-2007, 02:01 AM

Paul Sweeting over at Video Business magazine keeps writing new articles suggestioning that Sony should remove the BLU-RAY drive from the PS3 to make it cheaper.
http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6450511.html

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“COULD IT be done? The biggest technical obstacle would be that all PS3 games right now are released only on Blu-ray discs, which would make them unplayable on the model that lacked such a drive.
But there’s no reason most current PS3 games need to be on a Blu-ray disc. Most would fit fine on a standard dual-layer DVD, and most third-party developers would be just as happy not to have to pay to replicate their games on Blu-ray.
Sony could always offer an outboard Blu-ray drive as an upgrade—as Microsoft does now with HD DVD and Xbox—when the games become too complex to fit on a DVD.”

The PS3 plays DVD’s already. Ok if there are any PS3 games 8.5GB or lower then Sony could release those games on a standard DVD to play in the PS3 game system as long as the bit rate of the games does not go over the DVD max bit rate of 10Mbit/s. Any PS3 game 8.5GB or lower should be placed on a DVD-ROM disc instead of a BD-ROM to save cost.
There are many games for the PS3 that are over 8.5GB and require a 25GB BD-ROM disc. So if the BLU-RAY drive was removed then the following games could not be played.

List of some PS3 games over 8.5GB that require a BLU-RAY disc

F1 (11.5 GB)
Formula One (8.90 GB)
Genji US (12.2GB)
Motor Storm US (14.48 GB)
Need For Speed Carbon (11.5 GB)

Resistance Fall of Man (17.53 GB)

MFS3Kiryu · 06-09-2007, 02:10 AM

I'm against removing the BD Drive and with all the graphics and gameplay upgrades we should see a year from now, it's becoming painfully obvious that DVD-9 won't be up to the task. I'm pretty sure Hideo Kojima of Metal Gear Solid has been asking about 100gig discs for MGS4 and has been stated as already breaking 50gigabytes on MGS4.

Banjo · 06-09-2007, 02:11 AM

That's a frickin' stupid suggestion. If it was to be removed, we can't play any of the PS3 games already out now because they're all on Blu-Ray.

Moron.

Musashi · 06-09-2007, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

That's a frickin' stupid suggestion. If it was to be removed, we can't play any of the PS3 games already out now because they're all on Blu-Ray.

Moron.

Not to mention the games in development. Whoever wrote that article's a dunce.

Banjo · 06-09-2007, 02:15 AM

What people don't realize is that Blu-Ray drive will become as cheap as a DVD drive within a few years if it become more popular.

People are so afraid of changes.

dialog_gvf · 06-09-2007, 02:27 AM

How stupid. It only added $100 to the cost at the beginning. Now, it would be more like $50.

So, how many people does he think would rush out and buy a much less satisfying next-gen experience to save $50?!

Gary

eat_me_cool · 06-09-2007, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

What people don't realize is that Blu-Ray drive will become as cheap as a DVD drive within a few years if it become more popular.

People are so afraid of changes.

A Blu-ray drive cost a MAXIMUM of $60 today. Its probably more like $40. There are a lot more expensive components in the PS3 than the BD. Sony makes money from BD film and games sales to finance the cost difference regardless of the many technical advantages the BD has over DVD.

The mind numbing stupidity of this sort of 'comment' defies belief.

JToddler · 06-09-2007, 02:22 AM

He is almost dictating Sony, a huge company with operations worldwide and several manufacturing sites, employing people in the thousands and that has been around for a long time, how to run its business affairs and strategies. Is Sony listening? NO WAY!!!!

haiku_aubade · 06-09-2007, 02:27 AM

what an idiot

ps3andlovinit · 06-09-2007, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by haiku_aubade

what an idiot

If only he was...he knows exactly what he is doing. That's why he keeps writing this garbage over and over.

Maybe M$ should remove their Xbox Live service entirely since it's $50/year and that means $250 over 5 years - making the 360 more expensive than the PS3 - and that's before you start adding in the HD-DVD, controller charger, wireless access and failure rates.

Why isn't he talking about that? If he was so concerned about cost and his customers then it would be required of him wouldn't it?

Unless he has another agenda to spread FUD against blu-ray and the PS3.

Dave · 06-09-2007, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by haiku_aubade

what an idiot

double that

Chad Varnadore · 06-09-2007, 06:12 AM

Talk about your pointless meandering. I guess VBs editors are pretty useless. Sony dropping one of the key elements that makes the PS3 the forward thinking product it is, eight months after its launch, is about as likely as Chevy discontinuing truck sales, because more people that don't need a truck in the first place are currently buying small cars instead due to gas prices. That's why he's scraping the bottom, trying to find some new spin that nobody else has beat him to. If it were up to this kind of logic technology would evolve at an extremly slow pace. We'd still be watching VHS on 20-25" TVs.

DrinkMore · 06-09-2007, 06:32 AM

What a crock of shit.

Sony puts Blu-Ray in the PS3 and they get bashed to hell and back.

MS puts a dinky DVD drive in their freakin XBOX and offers an additional ($$$$) HD-DVD addon and nobody says shit.

WTF?

So, I am suppose to accept old ass technology because some nut job doesn't want to spend a few extra bux for the latest technology? Umm ok. That idiot must also still use a TOASTER OVEN instead of a microwave. Better yet, why don't wall just stick with VHS instead? NO DRM to worry about, we can just copy the shit out of movies again.

Idiots. The lot of them.

phloyd · 06-09-2007, 07:01 AM

One for vote for 'retarded comment of the day'.

MFS3Kiryu · 06-09-2007, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by phloyd

One for vote for 'retarded comment of the day'.

I think this is going to be the retarded comment for at least two days. You never can tell what sorta dumb BS HD-DVD fanboys are going to spew.

LembasBread · 06-09-2007, 07:18 AM

They must eat retard sandwiches for breakfast, lunch and dinner. How are we supposed to get 7.1 PCM goodness off our games with dinky little DVD-ROM's and all audio being converted to Dolby Digital? (Much like our friend the Xbox 360)

onanie · 06-09-2007, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by LembasBread

They must eat retard sandwiches for breakfast, lunch and dinner. How are we supposed to get 7.1 PCM goodness off our games with dinky little DVD-ROM's and all audio being converted to Dolby Digital? (Much like our friend the Xbox 360)

There is only one reason why this idiot is calling for Sony to remove the blu-ray drive. He is bitter that his beloved format is getting trashed.

The Don · 06-09-2007, 08:52 AM

exactly what format does he expect them to use in order to store the games?...

If I wanted to change discs every couple of hours, I would own a 360....

I don't understand all the hate for the PS3 when it is clearly the future of gaming..

cheto2k7 · 06-09-2007, 08:54 AM

Don't mess with perfection.... GO PS3!!

jbuttler007 · 06-09-2007, 01:53 PM

Don't be too tough on the guy. Just by the way he wrote that article you can tell that he doesn't have a gamer bone on his body. He mention something about "when games start to need more space than what a DVD can hold" Isn't Halo 3 a multi-disc game? I think that there are other multi-disc games coming to the 360. I'm sure they wish they had all that space as in a BD.

06-09-2007, 02:01 AM	#1
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	"Sony should remove the Blu-ray drive from the PS3" (new article) Paul Sweeting over at Video Business magazine keeps writing new articles suggestioning that Sony should remove the BLU-RAY drive from the PS3 to make it cheaper. http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6450511.html Quote “COULD IT be done? The biggest technical obstacle would be that all PS3 games right now are released only on Blu-ray discs, which would make them unplayable on the model that lacked such a drive. But there’s no reason most current PS3 games need to be on a Blu-ray disc. Most would fit fine on a standard dual-layer DVD, and most third-party developers would be just as happy not to have to pay to replicate their games on Blu-ray. Sony could always offer an outboard Blu-ray drive as an upgrade—as Microsoft does now with HD DVD and Xbox—when the games become too complex to fit on a DVD.” The PS3 plays DVD’s already. Ok if there are any PS3 games 8.5GB or lower then Sony could release those games on a standard DVD to play in the PS3 game system as long as the bit rate of the games does not go over the DVD max bit rate of 10Mbit/s. Any PS3 game 8.5GB or lower should be placed on a DVD-ROM disc instead of a BD-ROM to save cost. There are many games for the PS3 that are over 8.5GB and require a 25GB BD-ROM disc. So if the BLU-RAY drive was removed then the following games could not be played. List of some PS3 games over 8.5GB that require a BLU-RAY disc F1 (11.5 GB) Formula One (8.90 GB) Genji US (12.2GB) Motor Storm US (14.48 GB) Need For Speed Carbon (11.5 GB) Resistance Fall of Man (17.53 GB)

06-09-2007, 02:22 AM	#8
JToddler Active Member Member since:Oct 2006 Blu-ray reviews:1	He is almost dictating Sony, a huge company with operations worldwide and several manufacturing sites, employing people in the thousands and that has been around for a long time, how to run its business affairs and strategies. Is Sony listening? NO WAY!!!! Last edited by JToddler; 06-09-2007 at 02:41 AM.

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06-09-2007, 02:10 AM	#2
MFS3Kiryu Active Member Member since:Dec 2006	I'm against removing the BD Drive and with all the graphics and gameplay upgrades we should see a year from now, it's becoming painfully obvious that DVD-9 won't be up to the task. I'm pretty sure Hideo Kojima of Metal Gear Solid has been asking about 100gig discs for MGS4 and has been stated as already breaking 50gigabytes on MGS4.

06-09-2007, 02:11 AM	#3
Banjo Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Blu-ray collection:143	That's a frickin' stupid suggestion. If it was to be removed, we can't play any of the PS3 games already out now because they're all on Blu-Ray. Moron.

06-09-2007, 02:15 AM	#5
Banjo Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Blu-ray collection:143	What people don't realize is that Blu-Ray drive will become as cheap as a DVD drive within a few years if it become more popular. People are so afraid of changes.

06-09-2007, 02:27 AM	#6
dialog_gvf Moderator Member since:Nov 2006 Location:Toronto Blu-ray collection:320	How stupid. It only added $100 to the cost at the beginning. Now, it would be more like $50. So, how many people does he think would rush out and buy a much less satisfying next-gen experience to save $50?! Gary

06-09-2007, 02:27 AM	#9
haiku_aubade Active Member Member since:May 2007 Location:alpha centauri	what an idiot

06-09-2007, 06:12 AM	#12
Chad Varnadore Senior Member Member since:Aug 2006 Location:Salisbury, NC Home Theater Gallery:5 Blu-ray collection:349 Blu-ray reviews:19	Talk about your pointless meandering. I guess VBs editors are pretty useless. Sony dropping one of the key elements that makes the PS3 the forward thinking product it is, eight months after its launch, is about as likely as Chevy discontinuing truck sales, because more people that don't need a truck in the first place are currently buying small cars instead due to gas prices. That's why he's scraping the bottom, trying to find some new spin that nobody else has beat him to. If it were up to this kind of logic technology would evolve at an extremly slow pace. We'd still be watching VHS on 20-25" TVs.

06-09-2007, 06:32 AM	#13
DrinkMore Banned Member since:Apr 2007 Location:That's What She Said! Blu-ray collection:140 Blu-ray reviews:7 Trading Score:3	What a crock of shit. Sony puts Blu-Ray in the PS3 and they get bashed to hell and back. MS puts a dinky DVD drive in their freakin XBOX and offers an additional ($$$$) HD-DVD addon and nobody says shit. WTF? So, I am suppose to accept old ass technology because some nut job doesn't want to spend a few extra bux for the latest technology? Umm ok. That idiot must also still use a TOASTER OVEN instead of a microwave. Better yet, why don't wall just stick with VHS instead? NO DRM to worry about, we can just copy the shit out of movies again. Idiots. The lot of them.

06-09-2007, 07:01 AM	#14
phloyd Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2003 Location:California Trading Score:5	One for vote for 'retarded comment of the day'.

06-09-2007, 07:18 AM	#16
LembasBread Active Member Member since:Dec 2006 Blu-ray reviews:1	They must eat retard sandwiches for breakfast, lunch and dinner. How are we supposed to get 7.1 PCM goodness off our games with dinky little DVD-ROM's and all audio being converted to Dolby Digital? (Much like our friend the Xbox 360)

06-09-2007, 08:52 AM	#18
The Don Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Apr 2006 Blu-ray reviews:12 Trading Score:2	exactly what format does he expect them to use in order to store the games?... If I wanted to change discs every couple of hours, I would own a 360.... I don't understand all the hate for the PS3 when it is clearly the future of gaming..

06-09-2007, 08:54 AM	#19
cheto2k7 Active Member Member since:Apr 2007 Location:Fort Jackson, South Carolina	Don't mess with perfection.... GO PS3!!

06-09-2007, 01:53 PM	#20
jbuttler007 Active Member Member since:Mar 2007 Location:Ayase-Shi, Japan	Don't be too tough on the guy. Just by the way he wrote that article you can tell that he doesn't have a gamer bone on his body. He mention something about "when games start to need more space than what a DVD can hold" Isn't Halo 3 a multi-disc game? I think that there are other multi-disc games coming to the 360. I'm sure they wish they had all that space as in a BD.

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