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Dave · 06-12-2007, 08:22 PM

Is it Time to Give Up on HD-DVD?

http://www.devindra.org/tech/2007/06...e-up-on-hd-dvd

My favorite part:

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The players are cheap, but that’s mainly because the Toshiba is bleeding money on the hardware. By the end of this year we’ll most likely see Blu-ray players around $300 anyway. (I think it would be suicide for HD-DVD to try and undercut them then.)

Blu-Ray Buckeye · 06-12-2007, 08:31 PM

Good article from a former HD-DVD supporter.

rmatt · 06-12-2007, 08:37 PM

Great reasoning. The only thing they failed to mention was that there has been an influx in the demand for family movies. You look at animation in the 80's and early 90's there was little or no difference than cartoons from the 50's. Today's animation showcases better detail and crisper images than most real-life movies.You look at any Blu-ray collection and you are bound to find a few animated titles. Once Pixar and Dreamworks step up, the HDDVD format will be on it's dying breath.

Blu-Ray Buckeye · 06-12-2007, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rmatt

Once Pixar and Dreamworks step up, the HDDVD format will be on it's dying breath.

I agree with this 100%. The major kids movies are killer apps. I'll rebuy them all.

dialog_gvf · 06-12-2007, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

Is it Time to Give Up on HD-DVD?

http://www.devindra.org/tech/2007/06...e-up-on-hd-dvd

Wow. Great article. Logically thought out. Anyone with enough integrity to say "I was wrong" deserves a lot of respect.

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Originally Posted by rmatt

The only thing they failed to mention was that there has been an influx in the demand for family movies.

Family movies not porn. Go figure.

Gives one hope for us humans.

Gary

The Don · 06-12-2007, 09:01 PM

what studio is Dreamworks a subsidiary of?....

Blu Tiger · 06-12-2007, 09:06 PM

Wow, Universal should just go nuetral right now.

Jonalan34 · 06-12-2007, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Don

what studio is Dreamworks a subsidiary of?....

Paramounts

jermwhl · 06-12-2007, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Don

what studio is Dreamworks a subsidiary of?....

Disney, I think.

jermwhl · 06-12-2007, 09:08 PM

Ok...I will stand corrected...almost immediately!!

The Don · 06-12-2007, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jermwhl

Ok...I will stand corrected...almost immediately!!

ahaha fair enough...I was curious...

Jonalan34 · 06-12-2007, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jermwhl

Ok...I will stand corrected...almost immediately!!

Is that your final Answer? hmm?

dialog_gvf · 06-12-2007, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by The Don

what studio is Dreamworks a subsidiary of?....

Dreamworks SKG is owned by Viacom (which also owns Paramount). I think Paramount and Dreamworks are operated independently.

Dreamworks Animation is independent.

Paramount handles film and home video distribution for both.

Gary

Matt X · 06-13-2007, 04:23 PM

"Soon after the DVD standard was completed, Toshiba refused to start developing a new HD standard with Sony when they asked. They thought it was too early to start worrying about HD. When coupled with the fact that Toshiba got all the royalties for the DVD format, it makes a certain amount of sense that Sony didn’t want to settle on a standard with them again. (That still doesn’t excuse their behavior, though.) ".

My response to that statement would be, "what are you talking about, 'doesn't excuse their behavior?' It's a perfectly logical reaction to being shut out of the DVD royalties. I'd be like, "F^&* you guys (ie., Toshiba), you don't wanna share? well, we'll take a shot at developing our OWN, BETTER format to compete w/ yours, and if we win, maybe you'll learn to COLLABORATE next time!"

I'm sure Sony isn't completely blameless, but it now makes sense that if Tosh made a ton of $$$ keeping Sony out of DVD, they would have the incentive to try to lock Sony out of the HD disc market, too.

Canada · 06-13-2007, 08:52 PM

I have no idea where this comment belongs, but here it goes. Universal and Toshiba were some of the major players in DVD winning over DIVX way back when. I believe Universal did some R&D for DVD. So they have a vested interest in HD-DVD winning becase they probably get a portion of the sales. So I bet you will see Universal exclusivly support HD-DVD for a long time to come unfortunatly.

Blu Tiger · 06-13-2007, 09:55 PM

Blu-ray IS quaility.

The Don · 06-13-2007, 10:38 PM

it seems like Toshiba is trying to use the same formula for beating Sony as they have in the past...

inferior technology for a cheaper price
porn studio support
relying on universal studios

there are more...but I am brain farting right now..

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06-12-2007, 08:31 PM	#2
Blu-Ray Buckeye Power Member Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Virginia	Good article from a former HD-DVD supporter.

06-12-2007, 08:37 PM	#3
rmatt Active Member Member since:May 2007 Location:St.Louis, MO	Great reasoning. The only thing they failed to mention was that there has been an influx in the demand for family movies. You look at animation in the 80's and early 90's there was little or no difference than cartoons from the 50's. Today's animation showcases better detail and crisper images than most real-life movies.You look at any Blu-ray collection and you are bound to find a few animated titles. Once Pixar and Dreamworks step up, the HDDVD format will be on it's dying breath.

06-12-2007, 09:01 PM	#6
The Don Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Apr 2006 Blu-ray reviews:12 Trading Score:2	what studio is Dreamworks a subsidiary of?....

06-12-2007, 09:06 PM	#7
Blu Tiger Special Member Member since:Mar 2007 Location:Denver, CO Blu-ray collection:725 Trading Score:27	Wow, Universal should just go nuetral right now.

06-12-2007, 09:08 PM	#10
jermwhl Special Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Virginia	Ok...I will stand corrected...almost immediately!!

06-13-2007, 04:23 PM	#14
Matt X Senior Member Member since:Feb 2007	"Soon after the DVD standard was completed, Toshiba refused to start developing a new HD standard with Sony when they asked. They thought it was too early to start worrying about HD. When coupled with the fact that Toshiba got all the royalties for the DVD format, it makes a certain amount of sense that Sony didn’t want to settle on a standard with them again. (That still doesn’t excuse their behavior, though.) ". My response to that statement would be, "what are you talking about, 'doesn't excuse their behavior?' It's a perfectly logical reaction to being shut out of the DVD royalties. I'd be like, "F^&* you guys (ie., Toshiba), you don't wanna share? well, we'll take a shot at developing our OWN, BETTER format to compete w/ yours, and if we win, maybe you'll learn to COLLABORATE next time!" I'm sure Sony isn't completely blameless, but it now makes sense that if Tosh made a ton of $$$ keeping Sony out of DVD, they would have the incentive to try to lock Sony out of the HD disc market, too.

06-13-2007, 08:52 PM	#15
Canada Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Mar 2007 Location:Victoria, BC Home Theater Gallery:17 4K collection:305 Blu-ray collection:1201 DVD collection:37 Blu-ray reviews:42	I have no idea where this comment belongs, but here it goes. Universal and Toshiba were some of the major players in DVD winning over DIVX way back when. I believe Universal did some R&D for DVD. So they have a vested interest in HD-DVD winning becase they probably get a portion of the sales. So I bet you will see Universal exclusivly support HD-DVD for a long time to come unfortunatly.

06-13-2007, 09:55 PM	#16
Blu Tiger Special Member Member since:Mar 2007 Location:Denver, CO Blu-ray collection:725 Trading Score:27	Blu-ray IS quaility.

06-13-2007, 10:38 PM	#17
The Don Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Apr 2006 Blu-ray reviews:12 Trading Score:2	it seems like Toshiba is trying to use the same formula for beating Sony as they have in the past... inferior technology for a cheaper price porn studio support relying on universal studios there are more...but I am brain farting right now..

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