new star trek: motion picture???

[jimidini]

Originally Posted by Lincoln6Echo

Quite frankly, it really wouldn't take much to redo all external space shots in CG for all 6 films. I know the traditional purists wouldn't like it, but it sure would bring the first 5 at least up to date with the 6th. For one, it would get rid of all those old bad compositing shots that introduced unnatural grain in the models. I'm thinking of ST:II mostly, and surprisingly, ST:V. It's really a shame that Paramount didn't let Shatner redo the effects for ST:V for the SE DVD release back in the day.

So George Lucas has an account on blu-ray.com. I wouldn't have thought that

But seriously - the effects are already great. No need to ruin them with silly CG. And in any case doing so is crapping on the awesome work by artists.

[kidglov3s]

Originally Posted by Indiana Jones

Well the new CG shots were only rendered at 480p so if they want to do a BD release of the Directors Edition I very much hope they re-render at 1080p or higher.

DVD-era revisionism should be left as the past decade's sin, the "Director's Edition" (mostly just some effects guys farting around adding cheap Voyager quality composites (what they cooked up for Vulcan is downright laughable, especially as an improvement over the grandiose awe-inspiring work from the actual film), absolutely embarrassing 'new' titles/graphics that look straight off UPN) is an embarrassment. Putting computer effects into a 70s movie is gag inducing.

But whatever, give me a new scan of the actual movie and then put After Dark Screensaver Toasters on Vger to your heart's content.

[Indiana Jones]

Must have been watching a different Directors Edition as I thought the new CG shots of the Enterprise matched the original model work quite closely.

[ChuckT43]

http://trekcore.com/blog/2014/02/sta...otion-picture/

For those interested in the Directors cut and want to know more listen to the "lost" commentary. In short Robert Wise always considered the theatrical release unfinished due to the studio forcing a release date. The sound effects weren't even in the theatrical cut. Mr. Wise physically carried the rolls of film with him when he flew to the premier. In no way should it be seen as some quick cheap project done by hacks. Mr. Wise had to approve and was involved in every change made. It was he who said "keep the gold, it has balls" when shown the gold credits.

As far as if there is a 4K transfer coming or has been done.... Robert Burnett tweeted last year that there will not be a 4K scan of TMP the directors cut done. This was following a meeting he had He did not go into it any further.

I would love to see this and all the Trek films get the treatment they deserve. Though the theatrical release has its place in history, the directors cut is the completed vision of the film according to the director.

[Geoff D]

I love the theatrical cut in spite of all that. I wouldn't say no to a properly restored DE but the DVD's awful, with a soft, dirty old transfer and it doesn't even have the new footage flagged correctly for film so I get combing all over the place when a new shot is dropped in. And I'm not just saying that now, I've never liked how the DE DVD was put together and since the Blu-ray came out I don't think I've so much as touched the DVD.

[kidglov3s]

Originally Posted by ChuckT43

http://trekcore.com/blog/2014/02/sta...otion-picture/

For those interested in the Directors cut and want to know more listen to the "lost" commentary. In short Robert Wise always considered the theatrical release unfinished due to the studio forcing a release date. The sound effects weren't even in the theatrical cut. Mr. Wise physically carried the rolls of film with him when he flew to the premier. In no way should it be seen as some quick cheap project done by hacks. Mr. Wise had to approve and was involved in every change made. It was he who said "keep the gold, it has balls" when shown the gold credits.

As far as if there is a 4K transfer coming or has been done.... Robert Burnett tweeted last year that there will not be a 4K scan of TMP the directors cut done. This was following a meeting he had He did not go into it any further.

I would love to see this and all the Trek films get the treatment they deserve. Though the theatrical release has its place in history, the directors cut is the completed vision of the film according to the director.

What a shock that when the revisionist computer guys sat around they talked about how great their computer shit is. I'll stick with Trumbull.

[BNex99]

I'd love it if all three cuts of this film were released on a new Blu-ray, even the slapped together "Special Longer Version" that was on TV and video all those years ago. You could probably seamlessly branch the theatrical with the TV cut without too much trouble, and then the DC would probably need its own disc.

Incidentally, several years ago, I saw a 35mm screening of TMP, and we were told it was the "repertory version." It was the theatrical cut, but with some (though not all) of the scenes from the TV cut physically spliced into the print. Weird.

As for Wrath of Khan, the only time the blue push on the Blu-ray bugs me is in the iconic shot of Kirk coming onto the bridge for the first time. The blue silhouette looks a little more smeary than the more natural-looking one on the DVD. However, I had a chance to see the 1991 laserdisc recently, and that shot is actually colored roughly the same as the Blu-ray (obviously with much less resolution).

Of course, an early-90s-era NTSC transfer shouldn't be used as a reference, but I just thought that was interesting. Or maybe my settings are out-of-whack. I've seen TWOK a couple of times theatrically (on film) in recent years, but I honestly don't remember the exact coloring of that shot.

[Geoff D]

Fingers (and everything else besides) crossed that Paramount do right by all of the TOS/TNG Trek movies for the 50th anniversary.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by SuperFlyHighGuy

When I first watched the blu-ray I thought it was too cool also, especially after seeing the DVD countless times over the years. Plus I saw it twice theatrically at release, but can't judge from that after 30(?) years.

Anyway, after seeing the BD 3 or 4 times now, I'm comfortable with how it looks. It's certainly cooler than the DVD, but even looking at the screen comparisons posted above, the DVD looks to be red pushed (and too dark, even). The BD looks amazing - filmic and detailed, the final battle sequence is beautiful.

Do wish we could get the DC of TMP though, my favorite film besides Khan and the DC is even better than the theatrical, imo.

I watched the disc on my front projector and it looked great - real filmic as you say. I recall some artifacts very briefly in one scene - opening scene if I recall - but not a big deal. If only the rest of the boxset had the same quality look. I had no issues with the color in and of itself either.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Fingers (and everything else besides) crossed that Paramount do right by all of the TOS/TNG Trek movies for the 50th anniversary.

That would be very nice, but I just get the impression Paramout has no interest in home video quality anymore. They just go through the motions at best.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

That would be very nice, but I just get the impression Paramout has no interest in home video quality anymore. They just go through the motions at best.

And on their bread n butter franchise no less.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

That would be very nice, but I just get the impression Paramout has no interest in home video quality anymore. They just go through the motions at best.

They don't have to be incredible 4K restorations though. I know that's what people would expect and they'd cry foul if they didn't get it because buzzwords, but I'd be made up with 2K remasters using a >2K scanner for oversampling (Arri, Northlight etc). I don't need any more extras nor remixed audio either; hell, they could reel off some new transfers and put them into the exact same disc images as before (simply replacing the old video encode) for all I care about that other stuff.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

They don't have to be incredible 4K restorations though. I know that's what people would expect and they'd cry foul if they didn't get it because buzzwords, but I'd be made up with 2K remasters using a >2K scanner for oversampling (Arri, Northlight etc). I don't need any more extras nor remixed audio either; hell, they could reel off some new transfers and put them into the exact same disc images as before (simply replacing the old video encode) for all I care about that other stuff.

I think the existing source material they used for 2K scans would have been fine; they just had to obliterate the discs with contrast boosting, EE, and DNR.

For the future, I would prefer to see new 4K scans to take advantage of greater resolution (however minor of an improvement it may or may not be), P3, and 10 bit for the new format.

[Geoff D]

P3 and 10-bit are probably already there on the current source masters (which are used for other purposes like creating DCPs), it's usually in the trim pass for video that it gets bumped down to 8-bit 709. If they offered me the current masters without all the ****ing DNR I'd bite their hand off.

[JackKnightStarman]

This is on Epix this weekend. I've already set my DVR, as it isn't offered on Epix ondemand. I should get a chance to compare them this weekend, if not, Monday when my Kids are in school.

[mdonovan]

Originally Posted by Bolty

This will show how bad the Blu-ray color is.

Clearly they never intended Regula to have the color of earth's moon. They wanted it to look unique---not like the most familiar space object we know.
Every promotion material from 1982 had Regula as reddish-----calendars, movie programs, Starlog magazine photos, posters etc. and now it is blue???


http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?...77&postcount=7

I saw this in the theater as a kid .. I remember it looking like the blu ray .. much more in the cool tones than warm tones.

[mdonovan]

Originally Posted by Bolty

I saw it in theater as an adult and it wasn't blue. So what? Neither of us is going to win an argument based on what we think we remember 33 years ago.

Fact is that every single promotional material in 1982 showed it as reddish--literally dozens of photos, posters, stills showed it being red not blue. They didn't f-up every piece of material AND home video release from 1982 until the Blu-ray and then finally got it right.

trust me .. not trying to argue ... just stating what I remember. =)

[BeatleJWOL]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

P3 and 10-bit are probably already there on the current source masters (which are used for other purposes like creating DCPs), it's usually in the trim pass for video that it gets bumped down to 8-bit 709. If they offered me the current masters without all the ****ing DNR I'd bite their hand off.

Supposedly there are HDTV versions that are lacking the DNR from the Blu-rays.

Can't recall now where I saw that, though.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by BeatleJWOL

Supposedly there are HDTV versions that are lacking the DNR from the Blu-rays.

Can't recall now where I saw that, though.

I've seen screenshot comparisons to the HDTV broadcasts and they do look considerably better than the Blus. If they would have just released those and with superior AVC compression, I doubt anyone would have been complaining.

[kidglov3s]

Extremely disappointed to find this afternoon that Vudu has (as I feared they would) dumped their unrestored presentation for one that's essentially identical to the Blu-ray (I did A/B flips on my projector/HT between the Blu-ray and the new Vudu). The only nice thing I have to say about this is that this new presentation features the original theatrical blown-white alien subtitles as last seen on the WS Laserdisc. I'm very happy I still have the old version downloaded in HDX on my PC. This does allow me to do full Apples/Apples caps from the two transfers, if there's any shots people are curious to see.

I can't deny it's pretty cool to see the original subtitles in 1080p.

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