I fear for 4k Disks...

[Geoff D]

And what a super match it was. But that's enough about football.

[antennahead]

Not that my opinion matters, but I also agree with the three of you Hardcore videophiles will migrate to UHD causing a slight impact on Blu Ray sales. I love my physical media movie collection, but we are a minority

[k_huntington]

i understand that joe blow will keep buying dvds, but thats why... because they can. how about the studios just drop support? how about that? no body needs that crap anyway. and for those that don't have a BD player, how about they go out and, oh... i don't know, buy one?!

here is the glorious future i see. Avengers comes out, blu-ray only. no dvd option. Jurassic World comes out, blu-ray only, no dvd option. the snazzy hobbit boxset thats coming out, blu-ray only. no dvd option. the Back to the Future: The Complete Adventures - Limited Edition??? blu-ray only. no dvd option.

all the studios just need to cease support. its that easy. then we won't have to worry about mouth breathing knuckle draggers mucking everything up for the rest of us.

i can not... CAN NOT... for the life of me understand why that wasnt done as late as 2010. its WELL past time to completely drop support. well past time.

now i can understand movies that don't have new hd transfers struck still... i may...MAY... let those slip.... but for any and all current releases, those should strictly be bd/uhdbd only.

gosh. total incompetence.

[Gold Ranger]

Star Wars: Episode III: Revenge of the Sith never* got a VHS release!
It was DVD or nothing.
I don't know why they didn't repeat the same with the Big Blockbuster Movies in regards to DVD and Blu-Ray.


*In the USA...

[octagon]

Originally Posted by k_huntington

then we won't have to worry about mouth breathing knuckle draggers mucking everything up for the rest of us.

And how exactly are the mouth-breathing knuckle-draggers mucking everything up for the rest of us?

If you buy a DVD how does that affect me?

[Coenskubrick]

Originally Posted by octagon

And how exactly are the mouth-breathing knuckle-draggers mucking everything up for the rest of us?

If you buy a DVD how does that affect me?

How many times has it been explained to you so far how having fewer people buying blu-rays means fewer will be released and less money put into making high quality transfers for films?

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by k_huntington

i understand that joe blow will keep buying dvds, but thats why... because they can. how about the studios just drop support? how about that? no body needs that crap anyway. and for those that don't have a BD player, how about they go out and, oh... i don't know, buy one?!

here is the glorious future i see. Avengers comes out, blu-ray only. no dvd option. Jurassic World comes out, blu-ray only, no dvd option. the snazzy hobbit boxset thats coming out, blu-ray only. no dvd option. the Back to the Future: The Complete Adventures - Limited Edition??? blu-ray only. no dvd option.

all the studios just need to cease support. its that easy. then we won't have to worry about mouth breathing knuckle draggers mucking everything up for the rest of us.

i can not... CAN NOT... for the life of me understand why that wasnt done as late as 2010. its WELL past time to completely drop support. well past time.

now i can understand movies that don't have new hd transfers struck still... i may...MAY... let those slip.... but for any and all current releases, those should strictly be bd/uhdbd only.

gosh. total incompetence.

It has been explained many times that the studios can't drop DVD because it is still their top source of video revenue. The loyal DVD buyers will simply buy nothing at all rather than buy Blu-ray. Priority number one with the studios, as with any company, is profits.

The concern for revenue and profits is so great, that the studios don't even give Blu-ray an early release advantage over DVD. Disney did that about 4 years ago with the latest "Pirates" movie (delaying the DVD release by 4 weeks), and it was the first and last time they did that. Obviously the experiment didn't yield positive results.

Unless you have a plan for the studios to make up for lost revenue, or maybe you would donate them the money yourself, I would not be calling them incompetent.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Coenskubrick

How many times has it been explained to you so far how having fewer people buying blu-rays means fewer will be released and less money put into making high quality transfers for films?

You're assuming people will buy Blu-ray if the DVD is no longer available. Maybe some will, but most will forego physical media altogether. Do you think studios will sacrifice the bottom line for the benefit of one revenue stream?

And what about all those releases that don't get released on BLu-ray at all, because they are not viable? 4 out of every 5 titles get released only on DVD.
Is it still OK to release those on DVD?

[Coenskubrick]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

You're assuming people will buy Blu-ray if the DVD is no longer available. Maybe some will, but most will forego physical media altogether. Do you think studios will sacrifice the bottom line for the benefit of one revenue stream?

And what about all those releases that don't get released on BLu-ray at all, because they are not viable? 4 out of every 5 titles get released only on DVD.
Is it still OK to release those on DVD?

Not viable why? Because DVD will get the most purchases? That's exactly the problem I was just talking about. Anyway, I wouldn't say stop selling DVDs, my reccomendation would be to stop selling DVD players. Most people just haven't experienced blu-ray so they have no idea and don't have a player so they have no option to try it, because they will just stick with what they already have a player for.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Coenskubrick

How many times has it been explained to you so far how having fewer people buying blu-rays means fewer will be released and less money put into making high quality transfers for films?

Okay, so you're basically saying that if all the people buying catalog titles on DVD were forced to buy BDs instead that would result in more catalog BDs.

There's a slight problem with that theory: people aren't lining up to buy catalog DVDs either. Physical media is down across the board. Even if you could push DVD buyers into becoming BD buyers that isn't going to generate huge windfalls for studios. At most, it would move revenues from one column to another.

You could eliminate DVDs tomorrow and we wouldn't be one day closer to a BD release of The Thin Man. Well, we would be one day closer but that's just cause it would be tomorrow. But you know what I mean.

[Coenskubrick]

It's not just catalogue, it's new release too, probably more so than catalogue since many catalogue titles would be bought on DVD just because there is no other option yet.

I don't expect it to create a dramatic increase in revenue for studios either, although I don't think they would lose any if they went for a soft transition as I described in my last post. It would just mean that more stuff gets released because more people would buy it in that format.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Coenskubrick

It's not just catalogue, it's new release too, probably more so than catalogue since many catalogue titles would be bought on DVD just because there is no other option yet.

I don't expect it to create a dramatic increase in revenue for studios either, although I don't think they would lose any if they went for a soft transition as I described in my last post. It would just mean that more stuff gets released because more people would buy it in that format.

But don't most new films get BD releases as it is? What would we really be gaining?

A handful of tv seasons, maybe?

I really don't see why people are so caught up in killing DVD.

There's really nothing in it for us.

[Gold Ranger]

I for one will be super glad when all the Data Caps hit the Internet Providers!
That means limits on Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, Vudu, itunes and all the other Streamers out there!

People will quickly turn away from that and head back to Physical Media!

[Coenskubrick]

Originally Posted by octagon

But don't most new films get BD releases as it is? What would we really be gaining?

Well not if you're talking about indie titles, but that's not the point. The point is converting the buying public to new release blu rays over new release DVDs will allow more catalogue titles AND new releases to come out. When I said "more new releases than catalogue" I was talking about what they bought, not about what is released. If more people lean towards blu ray generally it will allow more titles to be released, whether they buy them more for catalogue or new release.

Do you really think if the market was 80% blu ray and 20% DVD that they would be releasing all these titles on DVD only?

[k_huntington]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

It has been explained many times that the studios can't drop DVD because it is still their top source of video revenue. The loyal DVD buyers will simply buy nothing at all rather than buy Blu-ray. Priority number one with the studios, as with any company, is profits.

and that's because.... *drumroll* its an option. take away the option, and the masses will HAVE to buy blu-ray, or just hope against hope its on netflix (when it won't be)

its a "chicken or the egg" scenario. they buy dvd because its cheaper, the studios make dvd because its the highest selling format. it's the highest selling format because its cheaper. just remove it, and i would assume naturally the dumb masses will graduate... i would just love to walk into bestbuy and see the entire movie rack all blu.

[k_huntington]

Originally Posted by Coenskubrick

Not viable why? Because DVD will get the most purchases? That's exactly the problem I was just talking about. Anyway, I wouldn't say stop selling DVDs, my reccomendation would be to stop selling DVD players. Most people just haven't experienced blu-ray so they have no idea and don't have a player so they have no option to try it, because they will just stick with what they already have a player for.

i can get behind that avenue

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by k_huntington

and that's because.... *drumroll* its an option. take away the option, and the masses will HAVE to buy blu-ray, or just hope against hope its on netflix (when it won't be)

its a "chicken or the egg" scenario. they buy dvd because its cheaper, the studios make dvd because its the highest selling format. it's the highest selling format because its cheaper. just remove it, and i would assume naturally the dumb masses will graduate... i would just love to walk into bestbuy and see the entire movie rack all blu.

The masses don't "have" to buy BLu-ray if DVD is taken away. That's silly. They will most likely buy nothing at all or go digital.

The studios realize that offering more choices leads to more revenue. Besides, DVD is what's helping keep physical media strong and a (still) decent presence in stores. It is one of the Good Guys. I wouldn't be wishing for something that will only precipitate physical media's demise and stoke the momentum of digital even more. The real fight for lovers of physical media and "control" of our media, is physical vs. digital, not DVD vs. Blu-ray.

[Bk_Tan]

Your Best Buys hardly even stock physical media anymore and you want to kill off DVD. That's gonna work well.

[spectre08]

and all of this DVD hate still misses the point that even though total DVD numbers are bigger than blu-ray numbers, blu-ray outperforms on titles people actually want to buy.

total DVD numbers are grossly skewed by <$5 bargain bin titles, that probably aren't worth buying anyways.

Blu-ray still dominates major releases. Walmart can sell all the Land Before Time 15 and WWII-movies-you've-never-heard-of-4pack DVDs they want for all I care

[blonde_devil]

I have to agree - you want someone to stop buying something, don't give them the option. Anyone remember when the PS3 came out and you could play PS2 games on it? What happened? Sony released games in both a PS2 and PS3 version, the PS2(which was cheaper) sold like crazy while the PS3 ones didn't. What was their solution? Stop the backwards compatibility - ie cut out the option. Later on if you got a PS3 like I did, you didn't have that option anymore. Same sort of thing can be done here - stop selling dvd players and movies on dvd and Blu-ray will pick up. Yes, you might lose a little to streaming or downloads but remember too that most people buying dvds don't want to or can't stream or download so you won't see a huge drop. I also think studios drop formats to quickly. Problem we have is that you get a company like Sony that makes the movies but they also make hardware. If you look at Blu-ray vs HD-DVD, it was in Sony's best interest to push blu but no one really cared for HD-DVD as none of the studios have any real interest in it. Because of that, Sony is in a real position to decide what formats come out and which don't. There is no reason why we can't have multiple physical formats out there other than this is the best way to maximize profits. Doesn't anyone find it strange - you can choose from multiple brands of tv, different car manufactures, different phones yet when it comes to physical media, we are almost always only allowed 1 at a time. There is no reason why dvd, Blu-ray, 4k and whatever else you want can't co-exist.