Still not convinced

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

I want what's more accurate to the source and more of it too. Don't want to be limited to what was shown in the theater because of its own color/contrast limitations.

The theatrical grade is the filmmakers' target and the only frame of reference we have. There may be information on the negative that falls outside of that spectrum, but we have no way of knowing whether or not the filmmakers want that information to be seen.

Originally Posted by bruceames.

But IMO if the filmmakers are OK with the regrade than so am I.

I am, too, but that brings us to our other problem... how do we know? Unless the filmmakers explicitly tell us, we usually don't. The other major exception is a movie like Lawrence of Arabia, in which we know the filmmakers did not approve the HDR grade because they were not alive to do so.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

That seems to be the prevailing sentiment among the non-owners who think they know it all. No point in me continuing to reason with closed minds (and eyes).

You don't seem to understand two basic things. Let me try to make it clear:

1) Accuracy and standards to see what/how the content should look according to the filmmaker. This is IMPOSSIBLE without video standards. I don't think you understand basic calibration - was your TV ever calibrated for rec 709 for Blu-ray?

2) Subjectivity of liking of what you watch. This can look like anything and anyone can like it. This is where you fall - and that is fine. Nothing wrong with it. But don't even try to say you are watching more accurate colors because it's impossible as of today.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

The theatrical grade is the filmmakers' target and the only frame of reference we have. There may be information on the negative that falls outside of that spectrum, but we have no way of knowing whether or not the filmmakers want that information to be seen.



I am, too, but that brings us to our other problem... how do we know? Unless the filmmakers explicitly tell us, we usually don't. The other major exception is a movie like Lawrence of Arabia, in which we know the filmmakers did not approve the HDR grade because they were not alive to do so.

I agree with you Doctorossi and I appreciate that you have an open mind about this as well. I am curious about Lawrence and I know it's coming and I know it will be HDR. As I said before hopefully they'll include both versions or at the very least have a Dolby Vision layer encoded so that it can be accurately converted to SDR when one has all the DV equipment in place.

[Rocklandsboy]

Originally Posted by pawel86ck

Resolution wise yes, BD 1080p is still great picture.




But when it comes to HDR, I would see huge differences like that from every distance.

Wow that is insanely rigged. No way my BD looks like that. Plus even the TV options in the top right of the screen look abnormally dimmed.

[pawel86ck]

Bruceames.@ although there is no calibration standard for UHD discs by now, I want to know your impression in regards to colors. Are you noticing much more color shades on UHD discs and picture is more convincing (more real) to you ?

No way my BD looks like that. Plus even the TV options in the top right of the screen look abnormally dimmed.

TV reviewer who shot that picture mentioned, that tv on the right was bright in real life, not like picture suggest.

[Rocklandsboy]

Resolution upgade is fact. There are more pixels, therefore more details: fact.

But judging quality based on contrast/colour/brightness is so subjective as to be ridiculous. Those settings can be changed dramatically on a regular telly simply with half a dozen random button pushes.

Add to that the lack of a standard for HDR and the whole thing seems increasingly ludicrous - as other have said.

[Adrian Wright]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

That seems to be the prevailing sentiment among the non-owners who think they know it all. No point in me continuing to reason with closed minds (and eyes).

Indeed, saying that Mad Max looks off compared to what? Bob down the pub said it mentality.

If you are happy with Blu-ray, stick with that and post in the relevant forum would be my suggestion. Better to do that then to post nonsense and drivel without any foundation in truth and based purely on speculation and heresay.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

That seems to be the prevailing sentiment among the non-owners who think they know it all. No point in me continuing to reason with closed minds (and eyes).

There's a difference between a closed mind and a mind that has an absolute answer because it knows the facts of the situation.

It's a simple fact that there is not yet an industry calibration standard for HDR, so it's also a simple fact that there is literally no way that any playback settings for HDR-graded UHD discs can be considered correct.

[doctor_who]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

The difference in the fire and sunlight looks just about what I see in the pictures. It is a little bit brighter on the SDR but the dullish color of the fire is still the same. Those pics IMO are a good representation of what HDR can do. I don't think they are overly exaggerated (maybe just a little though, but you gotta expect that, lol).

Definitely a good visual sample.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by pawel86ck

Bruceames.@ although there is no calibration standard for UHD discs by now, I want to know your impression in regards to colors. Are you noticing much more color shades on UHD discs and picture is more convincing (more real) to you ?

No I'm not noticing a lot more color shades really. I know there is no UHD calibration standards but that doesn't mean the colors are "way off". They look so close to me that the difference is negligible. The only difference is when brighter whites get behind the colors. The brights that should be there to begin with but are limited by the 8 bit. Of course the fireballs will glow more red and colors will deepen the brighter they get. But for mid range stuff it looks pretty much the same color-wise. On some movies though they apply more HDR, like Smurfs 2 or Kingsman but it doesn't change the color scheme (although it will if you watch it on a non-HDR TV, which I've done).

Anyway yes it all looks MUCH more real and authentic than does the accompanying BD. Hope this is what you were looking for.

[Adrian Wright]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

There's a difference between a closed mind and a mind that has an absolute answer because it knows the facts of the situation.

It's a simple fact that there is not yet an industry calibration standard for HDR, so it's also a simple fact that there is literally no way that any playback settings for HDR-graded UHD discs can be considered correct.

So if the film-makers involved in Fury Road said that the colouring on the UHD BD was the way it was always meant to be seen, does that mean that the theatrical, BD and even DVD are poor substitutes?

[infiniteCR]

Originally Posted by Rocklandsboy

Wow that is insanely rigged. No way my BD looks like that. Plus even the TV options in the top right of the screen look abnormally dimmed.

They must not be displaying the same frames in that photo. The sun seems to be missing on the normal bluray screen. I find it hard to believe we need a major upgrade to have the sun show up at all.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

There's a difference between a closed mind and a mind that has an absolute answer because it knows the facts of the situation.

It's a simple fact that there is not yet an industry calibration standard for HDR, so it's also a simple fact that there is literally no way that any playback settings for HDR-graded UHD discs can be considered correct.

It's all a matter of degrees. The poster above was making proclamations saying my colors are way off and I of course take exception to that. Of course it may be off a little but not enough to where I really notice it. It's very close to me. I can't tell the difference. I did however on my non-HDR TV.

[reanimator]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

What you are saying is stupid. I don't have to see anything.

Yup -- that pretty much sums up this whole thread.

[Adrian Wright]

Originally Posted by reanimator

Yup -- that pretty much sums up this whole thread.

Indeed, time it was closed to be honest

[reanimator]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

There is literally no way that any playback settings for HDR-graded UHD discs can be considered correct.

Or incorrect.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by Adrian Wright

So if the film-makers involved in Fury Road said that the colouring on the UHD BD was the way it was always meant to be seen, does that mean that the theatrical, BD and even DVD are poor substitutes?

Yes.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by reanimator

Or incorrect.

Precisely.

[Dirk504]

For what it's worth, I plan to jump into the 4k market as soon as my house is finished getting built in a few months. With that said, Blu Ray will still be the go to choice for my media room because I prefer a projected 120 inch screen over a 4k TV half the size. When 4k projectors are affordable, I'm all in though.

Also, I've seen 4k movies and they look really good, but the big advantage is when you're watching them on an OLED TV. Outside of that, it's decent, but not as noticeable as DVD--> Blu Ray. But then again, I have a really good Plasma that's picture is amazing. Someone with a 1080p LCD/LED TV might be blown away by watching 4k movies on anything that's not OLED.

[larrs]

Originally Posted by pawel86ck

Resolution wise yes, BD 1080p is still great picture.




But when it comes to HDR, I would see huge differences like that from every distance.

I have certainly no issues with UHD and already bought some discs. That being said, I can blow out my colors, contrast and backlight on an SDR display and get it to look a lot like that HDR pic (from a distance of course).

I joke somewhat, but here is what is true: most average Joes are watching already on an average sized TV from an average distance in dynamic mode (the default) and are not going to see the great difference in HDR or resolution. So, UHD-BDs are going to be a niche/boutique format- that is just a cold hard fact. I don't really have an issue with that; it is no different than Laserdisc- as long as I want the best presentation possible, I will spring for the UHD-BD. However, what I can assure you is that this will keep prices higher than they settled in on DVD or BD (both mass market items). Just like 3D BD, there will be no $7 bins at Wally World.