What Doomed HDDVD ??

[Cain]

Well since my thread on this topic at AVS got deleted pretty quickly, I'll ask it here.

What doomed HDDVD to second place ???

Limited studio support ??

Only one hardware manufacturer ??

The PS3 ??

Thoughts ???

-- Cain

PS Is it just me, or are threads at AVS that point out that HDDVD is stuck in distant second place treated as being hostile, while all manner of BS and crap about BluRay are allowed to stay up, and grow !!

[WickyWoo]

Welcome to the AVS "Gone in Sixty Seconds" club

All of the above, disc space and limited copy protection options

[Cain]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

Welcome to the AVS "Gone in Sixty Seconds" club

lol!! Thx... It really sort of hurt my feelings a bit. I thought it was beyond obvious that HDDVD is doomed to second place, and likely doomed to extinction within a year or less. But I guess a thread that suggests that is taboo over there.

Back to my post. I'm thinking that although 1 and 2 are obvious for long term BD success, the PS3 seems to have turned the format disc sales upside down almost "overnight".

[ps3andlovinit]

Originally Posted by Cain

PS Is it just me, or are threads at AVS that point out that HDDVD is stuck in distant second place treated as being hostile, while all manner of BS and crap about BluRay are allowed to stay up, and grow !!

Yeah your delusional and paranoid and up is down and down is up ...but don't worry you found the right place to be cured and the symptoms will disappear the more time you spend here.

[Cain]

Thx PS3, I appreciate that.... It feels good to be "home"...

[MrBogey]

Well it was two-fold but ultimately cumulative and branched to other areas.

Ultimately, I see it as a rush to market and a rush to lower the price that doomed it. They weren't able to get added protocols in the spec because of their rush. As a result certain studios refused to release on it. Fox and Disney would not release on a system that had only one layer of copy protection. As a result the initial surge of support could only ebb. Second, by rushing to lower the price Toshiba chased off secondary vendors. As such there were fewer sources willing to put their eggs in only one vendor's basket.

Toshiba just alienated too many of the people they needed to have backing them. They thought that cheap hardware that hit the market first would win. Sorry, it's not always so.

[nhaase]

The lack of backing, both hardware and software (studio support).

[cajmoyper]

Originally Posted by Cain

lol!! Thx... It really sort of hurt my feelings a bit. I thought it was beyond obvious that HDDVD is doomed to second place, and likely doomed to extinction within a year or less. But I guess a thread that suggests that is taboo over there.

Back to my post. I'm thinking that although 1 and 2 are obvious for long term BD success, the PS3 seems to have turned the format disc sales upside down almost "overnight".

As much better BD is than HD, this won't be over for a while, definitely not within the year. But yes, BD is definitely going to win.

[coolwavepic]

I would like to add two points to what will doom HD-DVD...

1) obviously added disc space.

2) Another thing that I thought hurt HD-DVD was Warner and Paramount to go nutural. I dont think any blu-ray exclusive has made that decision. Am I right? Only company that I feel went on both sides from the Blu-Ray side is Samsung.

Oh, one other thing is that I really dont look at Toshiba as being a top notch electronics maker like Panasonic or Sony. With having them on board for Blu-Ray makes me alot more confident in the format.

[akadkins]

The thing that I thought it initially had going for it - it's name : HD-DVD. I thought Joe Consumer would latch on to this one and go "What the heck is Blu-Ray?" but is happening just the opposite. Blu-Ray is easy to identify as needing a special/new player, while many consumers get upset if they buy a HD-DVD and can't play it on thier HD TV with a normal DVD player. Wal-Mart shoppers are the difference here...

[coolwavepic]

Originally Posted by akadkins

The thing that I thought it initially had going for it - it's name : HD-DVD. I thought Joe Consumer would latch on to this one and go "What the heck is Blu-Ray?" but is happening just the opposite. Blu-Ray is easy to identify as needing a special/new player, while many consumers get upset if they buy a HD-DVD and can't play it on thier HD TV with a normal DVD player. Wal-Mart shoppers are the difference here...

I thought the DVD in HD-DVD would of doomed Blu-Ray as well. Great point.

[blublublu]

Originally Posted by Cain

Well since my thread on this topic at AVS got deleted pretty quickly, I'll ask it here.

What doomed HDDVD to second place ???

Limited studio support ??

Only one hardware manufacturer ??

The PS3 ??

Thoughts ???

-- Cain

PS Is it just me, or are threads at AVS that point out that HDDVD is stuck in distant second place treated as being hostile, while all manner of BS and crap about BluRay are allowed to stay up, and grow !!

It seems pretty simple: The PS3.

If there was no PS3, or the PS3 was developed without a Blu Ray player, Blu Ray would be a write off at this point.

[kaliraver]

All of the above and the biggest difference maker, the PS3 FTW!

[ReduxInflux]

short-sightedness. limited studio support is because of limited format...and of course the ps3. (in other words - ingenius intermedia integration)

[Dave]

LOL - AVS...

Well hd dud was doomed from the beginig. From the minute they was unable to relese disc bigger than 30GB and had no plans to make it bigger ever.

[coolwavepic]

Originally Posted by blublublu

It seems pretty simple: The PS3.

If there was no PS3, or the PS3 was developed without a Blu Ray player, Blu Ray would be a write off at this point.

I think this could go both ways. I dont think PS3 would have done well without Blu-Ray. If it wasnt for Blu-RayI would bet PS3 would of been a write off too.

[Mote]

High definition players are a niche market. By introducing them into a game console, suddenly you've reached a broader demographic very quickly. It's no wonder that BD sales have increased steadily since the introduction of the PS3.

[KenThompson]

Trying to get other companies to build hd dud when there is little to no profit to be made would be a good start. They were selling them at a loss originally. Then you have the content problem. Universal can't compete with the other studios. Exclusive new releases are far greater in the BD camp and new releases sell better than older movies as people don't want to buy movies they already have unless its a favorite. The biggest reason could be that you have a shit load of companies supporting bd and very few in the dud department. Can you spell PS3.

[hmurchison]

disc space is not a factor. I don't know why someone would even still believe that.

Copy Protection is really what has doomed HD DVD. Without more than AACS and a stubborness to implement region control HD DVD kissed off Disney and Fox as they are about as paranoid as a studio can get about these things.

The format war really comes down to which platform has the best DRM. Right now that's a resounding victory for Blu-ray.

The storage thing is a moot point. Sony just wanted to make sure they were on the leading side in this battle lest they get caught in a Beta vs VHS battle again.

Today with the Internet linking billions of homes Copy Protection is far more important than just about anything else you could come up with.

Both formats deliver the goods as far as PQ and AQ so the rest really is protecting content for producers and adding value features for consumers.

[gand41f]

The name. "HD DVD" is so hard to pronounce, especially for non-native speakers. Just how many syllables is that?

Combo. Stupid, stupid idea, negating the only real advantage they had (disc manufacture cost).

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