11.6 million Xbox 360s sold in the last 19 months are faulty. - Page 3 - Blu-ray Forum

Amon37 · 07-13-2007, 06:11 PM

My wife suggested getting a 360 because she wanted a videogame system in the bedroom.(PS3 and PS2 in the living room) Of course I agreed because you can not have too many game systems but I told here it would not be until at least September when they finally release the code name "Falcon" 360's with the new processors.

KingDeezie · 07-13-2007, 06:45 PM

Personally, I don't think that all 360's are doomed to die...

I've had one since launch and I have never had a problem with it. I think Microsoft screwed up when they were planning on how to properly ventilate this thing really...

The only reason mine has remained in working order I think is because I have always had it on an AV shelf that was open to the air. I also keep my house pretty cold year round, so I don't think it has ever had a chance to really get all that hot. Playing it for hours, and it is still cool to the touch....

The only electronics equipment that I own that gets hot is my reciever because I blast that puppy for hours and hours, but even then the internal fan rarely has to come on, because the environment is so open and cool.

Its a real shame that Microsoft has messed up so poorly, but atleast they are trying to fix it. For everyone claiming how money hungry they are, they are making an effort to fix their mistakes, and that should count for something.

It would be interesting if Sony and Microsoft just teamed up together and made a system for next generation...

Sony is the best at making the latest cutting edge hardware and building the best systems, but Microsoft is better at making those systems user friendly to developers and online infrastructure.

Either way, its good to know if my 360 craps out I can get it fixed for the next year and a half or so.

Its also good to know that I don't have to worry about my PS3 breaking at all...

dialog_gvf · 07-13-2007, 06:54 PM

Imagine, just while engaged in a key online experience the machine drops dead? Yay, it won't cost you anything to fix. How are they going to pay you back for all those hours of fun you've lost?

It seems the horror stories can't possibly do much to help sales going forward. Won't people tend to wait and see if the new design solves the reliability issues?

Gary

Monkey · 07-13-2007, 08:23 PM

http://www.lazygamer.co.za/xbox-360/...0s-are-faulty/

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Not Good, it is being reported that Robbie Bach admitted to the media in a conference call that all Xbox 360’s have a design fault which may cause them to fail.

That would be every single one of them, so that little white box in your lounge that hasn’t given you a day of trouble is really just a ticking time bomb…

It might not fail but the chances are that it will within it’s first two years of life. Thankfully Microsoft has now increased the warranty to 3 years so you are covered but you have to ask how this was possible. They really should have tested it much better.

Robbie Bach stated that this design flaw only surfaced recently but who can really believe that. We have been hearing and reporting about breaking consoles for the last 18 months. They really should have picked this up earlier.

dialog_gvf · 07-13-2007, 08:30 PM

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Robbie Bach stated that this design flaw only surfaced recently but who can really believe that.

The same recently that coincided with his share dump?

aaronwt · 07-13-2007, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

The same recently that coincided with his share dump?

He only sold 6 million dollars worth of shares which amounts to a tiny fraction of all the shares he owns. Hardly a share dump.

JTK · 07-13-2007, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by aaronwt

He only sold 6 million dollars worth of shares which amounts to a tiny fraction of all the shares he owns. Hardly a share dump.

Does the amount of money really change anything?

aaronwt · 07-13-2007, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JTK

Does the amount of money really change anything?

If he has 600 million worth of shares(I have no idea of the amount) and sells 6 million dollars worth, than yes that makes a huge difference than if he only had 10 million dollars worth of shares. Executives sell shares all the time.

bigmf · 07-13-2007, 09:14 PM

It isn't the gain or loss to the person ho dumped the stock, its the loss to the person who bought them that the laws were made for. A multimillionaire sells some stock and some poor shlub buys it and loses 50% of their retirement savings.

Having said that, it dosn't look like there is any appreciable loss in value of the stock since the announcement.

aaronwt · 07-13-2007, 09:16 PM

I would hope not for only $6M sold. That is nothing when compared to the value of all outstanding stocks.

dialog_gvf · 07-13-2007, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by aaronwt

He only sold 6 million dollars worth of shares which amounts to a tiny fraction of all the shares he owns. Hardly a share dump.

Robert Bach

Sold: 200,000
Holds: 809,462

He sold off 20% of his holdings. Hardly a tiny fraction.

But the amount doesn't matter. The timing does. Why didn't he wait to resolve the problem in his division before selling?

Gary

k20king · 07-13-2007, 10:55 PM

hmmm...

the irony here is maybe, not blu-ray killing the 360, yet the quality of the 360 might be its own killer.

Go Blu Ray!

Monkey · 07-13-2007, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Robert Bach

Sold: 200,000
Holds: 809,462

He sold off 20% of his holdings. Hardly a tiny fraction.

But the amount doesn't matter. The timing does. Why didn't he wait to resolve the problem in his division before selling?

Gary

Thanks for bringing an accurate picture. 20% is quite significant.

phloyd · 07-13-2007, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Robert Bach

Sold: 200,000
Holds: 809,462

He sold off 20% of his holdings. Hardly a tiny fraction.

But the amount doesn't matter. The timing does. Why didn't he wait to resolve the problem in his division before selling?

Gary

It was really interesting...

I never heard of Robert Bach until we saw the share sale story.

Then he makes these announcements. It is his 15 minutes for sure!

JTK · 07-13-2007, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Robert Bach

Sold: 200,000
Holds: 809,462

He sold off 20% of his holdings. Hardly a tiny fraction.

But the amount doesn't matter. The timing does. Why didn't he wait to resolve the problem in his division before selling?

Gary

This is the only detail of the whole thing that has me taking pause.

Shin-Ra · 07-13-2007, 11:16 PM

Robbie Bach contributed to Microsoft's awful E3 press conference 26 months ago (the one before 360's launch) where allegedly people were paid to attend and applause.

JTK · 07-13-2007, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Shin-Ra

Robbie Bach contributed to Microsoft's awful E3 press conference 26 months ago (the one before 360's launch) where allegedly people were paid to attend and applause.

That figures.

Monkey · 07-14-2007, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Shin-Ra

Robbie Bach contributed to Microsoft's awful E3 press conference 26 months ago (the one before 360's launch) where allegedly people were paid to attend and applause.

lol, probably the same people who still praise them for rushing to the market with hardware that simply wasn't ready.

What'sHD · 07-14-2007, 03:29 AM

^^

That is my main thought too about why this warranty does not bring the 360 back to firm ground with gamers.

1stly, given that heat causes 360-failures and consoles get hottest when the epic games come out (in the sense that gamers log the most hours with such games), the warranty is not quite going to make up for the PITA of taking, for example, the halo 3 disc out and sending the console for repairs.

2ndly, potential buyers being cognizant of the failure-rate is going to reduce sales anyways. I really think MS should accept the red ink and redo the h/w design. Alternative, as I mentioned earlier, is to scrape along for 3 years on "extended warranties" somehow and then release the xbox3 in 2009-10 with high def drive (BD

) and some good h/w engineering.

hell, if they ask nicely enough, Sony might help out with h/w design (har)

Sylin · 07-14-2007, 04:30 AM

As an FYI - a lot of corporations actually require some executives to sell of shares at certain time schedules, or he may have had a hold in place. (Companies can also require you to KEEP your stock for a specified time period, too.) 20% isn't a concern. 50% and more raises eyebrows. 80% or more is an insider trading scandal waiting to happen. (But you should never own single stocks anyway, so WTF?)

That said, I'd imagine this article is true. There probably is a design flaw, or a misconfiguration or incorrectly crossed chip that MAY or MAY NOT result in a failure. In the auto industry, they're obligated to perform a recall. But since there's no safety concern here with a video game console, MS is obviously taking this on a case-by-case basis. I'm actually proud of them for extending the warranty. At least it shows they care. To recall EVERY Xbox would just be stupid. There's millions out there performing w/o a problem (knock on wood).

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07-13-2007, 06:11 PM	#41
Amon37 Power Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:USA,Arizona PSNetwork: Amon37	My wife suggested getting a 360 because she wanted a videogame system in the bedroom.(PS3 and PS2 in the living room) Of course I agreed because you can not have too many game systems but I told here it would not be until at least September when they finally release the code name "Falcon" 360's with the new processors.

07-13-2007, 06:45 PM	#42
KingDeezie Active Member Member since:Mar 2007	Personally, I don't think that all 360's are doomed to die... I've had one since launch and I have never had a problem with it. I think Microsoft screwed up when they were planning on how to properly ventilate this thing really... The only reason mine has remained in working order I think is because I have always had it on an AV shelf that was open to the air. I also keep my house pretty cold year round, so I don't think it has ever had a chance to really get all that hot. Playing it for hours, and it is still cool to the touch.... The only electronics equipment that I own that gets hot is my reciever because I blast that puppy for hours and hours, but even then the internal fan rarely has to come on, because the environment is so open and cool. Its a real shame that Microsoft has messed up so poorly, but atleast they are trying to fix it. For everyone claiming how money hungry they are, they are making an effort to fix their mistakes, and that should count for something. It would be interesting if Sony and Microsoft just teamed up together and made a system for next generation... Sony is the best at making the latest cutting edge hardware and building the best systems, but Microsoft is better at making those systems user friendly to developers and online infrastructure. Either way, its good to know if my 360 craps out I can get it fixed for the next year and a half or so. Its also good to know that I don't have to worry about my PS3 breaking at all...

07-13-2007, 06:54 PM	#43
dialog_gvf Moderator Member since:Nov 2006 Location:Toronto Blu-ray collection:320	Imagine, just while engaged in a key online experience the machine drops dead? Yay, it won't cost you anything to fix. How are they going to pay you back for all those hours of fun you've lost? It seems the horror stories can't possibly do much to help sales going forward. Won't people tend to wait and see if the new design solves the reliability issues? Gary

07-13-2007, 09:14 PM	#49
bigmf Active Member Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Over here	It isn't the gain or loss to the person ho dumped the stock, its the loss to the person who bought them that the laws were made for. A multimillionaire sells some stock and some poor shlub buys it and loses 50% of their retirement savings. Having said that, it dosn't look like there is any appreciable loss in value of the stock since the announcement.

07-13-2007, 09:16 PM	#50
aaronwt Banned Member since:May 2007 Location:Northern Va(Woodbridge)	I would hope not for only $6M sold. That is nothing when compared to the value of all outstanding stocks.

07-13-2007, 10:55 PM	#52
k20king Senior Member Member since:Feb 2007	hmmm... the irony here is maybe, not blu-ray killing the 360, yet the quality of the 360 might be its own killer. Go Blu Ray!

07-13-2007, 11:16 PM	#56
Shin-Ra Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Feb 2007 Blu-ray collection:5 Trading Score:1	Robbie Bach contributed to Microsoft's awful E3 press conference 26 months ago (the one before 360's launch) where allegedly people were paid to attend and applause.

07-14-2007, 03:29 AM	#59
What'sHD Senior Member Member since:Feb 2007	^^ That is my main thought too about why this warranty does not bring the 360 back to firm ground with gamers. 1stly, given that heat causes 360-failures and consoles get hottest when the epic games come out (in the sense that gamers log the most hours with such games), the warranty is not quite going to make up for the PITA of taking, for example, the halo 3 disc out and sending the console for repairs. 2ndly, potential buyers being cognizant of the failure-rate is going to reduce sales anyways. I really think MS should accept the red ink and redo the h/w design. Alternative, as I mentioned earlier, is to scrape along for 3 years on "extended warranties" somehow and then release the xbox3 in 2009-10 with high def drive (BD ) and some good h/w engineering. hell, if they ask nicely enough, Sony might help out with h/w design (har)

07-14-2007, 04:30 AM	#60
Sylin Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Nashville Blu-ray collection:1 Trading Score:159	As an FYI - a lot of corporations actually require some executives to sell of shares at certain time schedules, or he may have had a hold in place. (Companies can also require you to KEEP your stock for a specified time period, too.) 20% isn't a concern. 50% and more raises eyebrows. 80% or more is an insider trading scandal waiting to happen. (But you should never own single stocks anyway, so WTF?) That said, I'd imagine this article is true. There probably is a design flaw, or a misconfiguration or incorrectly crossed chip that MAY or MAY NOT result in a failure. In the auto industry, they're obligated to perform a recall. But since there's no safety concern here with a video game console, MS is obviously taking this on a case-by-case basis. I'm actually proud of them for extending the warranty. At least it shows they care. To recall EVERY Xbox would just be stupid. There's millions out there performing w/o a problem (knock on wood).

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