Finally saw blu-ray in the flesh. - Blu-ray Forum

tron3 · 07-19-2006, 05:12 PM

Sunday I walk into Circuit City with my brother and we look around for a while. Before I left, I wanted to see blu-ray or hd-dvd in action. I ask the nearest sales person. He walks me over to the display that I glanced at when I walked in the door! I thought it was a live HD feed, and ignored it.

I looked closely and did see what I considered slight artifacting. Overall, fantastic picture. It was playing movie clips at 1080p and it was sa-weeet! Naturally the sales guy kept pitching me to buy it inspite of the fact I repeatedly said I only wanted to see it and wasn't buying anything until the mess was settled. Idiot.

I believe the player was Samsung. Nice looking unit with the blu(e) lights on the front. I was tempted to buy it right there and then based on looks. But ya know....the stupid format war.

Psiweaver · 07-19-2006, 05:18 PM

yeah some of the other players are gonna look better imo.

marzetta7 · 07-19-2006, 07:45 PM

Walked into BestBuy two days ago and had a look at the Samsung player doing its thing. Too bad they had it hooked up to a crappy Mitsubishi 65" TV, as it didn't do it justice. Don't get me wrong, it looked awesome, but I knew the TV already had issues, as they had a HD Cable TV feed into it before, and you could see pixelation in the picture, a very low contrast, not real bright colors, etc. Now, once they switched it over to the Blu-ray player, it looked remakably better, but I've seen better TVs with better color, more sharpness, and less pixelation. My father has a 45" Sharp Aquos 1080P LCD, and let's just say it blows the Mitsubishi 65" (it only was a $3,200, supposedly 1080P set, so I guess you can't expect that much from it) TV they were displaying with Blu-ray out of the water.

For a Blu-ray setup, I want to see the 65" Sharp Aquos with whatever Blu-ray player, and see how that sweet combination will look.

Psiweaver · 07-19-2006, 08:05 PM

wouldn't look very good lcd tv's have poor color, image blur, and the sharps aren't made terribly well.

tron3 · 07-20-2006, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Psiweaver

wouldn't look very good lcd tv's have poor color, image blur, and the sharps aren't made terribly well.

Exactly, LCD supposedly only comes within 80% of color accuracy. At least where red is concerned. Unless that has been fixed. Then there is the fading plasma display thing, again, supposedly improved. Then a lot of these technologies suffer from "screen door affect".

My Sony 34" WEGA HD TV uses a tube. Great picture. Nothing like a glass tube display if you ask me.

AV_Integrated · 07-20-2006, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tron3

Exactly, LCD supposedly only comes within 80% of color accuracy. At least where red is concerned. Unless that has been fixed. Then there is the fading plasma display thing, again, supposedly improved. Then a lot of these technologies suffer from "screen door affect".

My Sony 34" WEGA HD TV uses a tube. Great picture. Nothing like a glass tube display if you ask me.

Unfortunately that's a bit less than 70" smaller than my projection setup.

CRT ROCKS! But, it is very size limited, and the larger sizes is really where HD can strut its stuff.

I saw the Toshiba HD-DVD unit hooked to a Mits display yesterday and it looked like garbage! This is in direct contrast to other HD-DVD setups I have seen where the image was phenomenal. The bottom line is that the display you see it connected to is far more suspect in poor image quality than some of the players you will see.

Unfortunately, this BB did not have the Samsung set up. Though, I have seen the Sammy as well as the Sony BD players and both of the US Toshiba HD-DVD players. I haven't seen the RCA, but I hear it is just a rebranded very slightly modified Toshiba. So, not much different.

marzetta7 · 07-20-2006, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Psiweaver

wouldn't look very good lcd tv's have poor color, image blur, and the sharps aren't made terribly well.

Have you guys seen the latest Aquos models? Trust me, they are impressive. I've seen football games in HD, DVD movies, and other HD cable movies on it and I've been duely impressed. A lot of the shortcomings some of you have noted have been corrected. As I've never seen any ghosting, any "screen door" effect, or any problems with red colors. And the picture is crystal, definately no blur. My father also has a 50" Panasonic plasma and it doesn't even compare to the 45" LCD 1080P from Sharp in clarity and overall picture.

I found this on Sharp's Aquos website regarding red colors...

http://www1.moretosee.com/us/65.html

BTBuck1 · 07-20-2006, 05:24 PM

Sharp had the LCD market sewed up a couple years ago, but did nothing but start cutting costs (to retain profitability) and let the competition come in and provde a better product for less, or the same price.

Samsung, Sony.... hell, even philips offer better LCD's now.

The sharp Aquos have what appear to be visible scan lines, an anomoly i've never seen on a flatpanel tv before, and an apparent grain on most sources its like it's too "sharp" no pun intended.

BTBuck1 · 07-20-2006, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Psiweaver

wouldn't look very good lcd tv's have poor color, image blur, and the sharps aren't made terribly well.

this is a pretty blanket statement. This would be like saying ALL PLASMAS make people look like they have clay faces, when mainly only a handful do.

I have 2 3lcd rptv's and 2 flat panels, and have never seen ghosting.
however watching my sony 30" crt in a dark room i've occassionally seen slight image retention (ghosting) on that, a technology not known for such things to my knowledge.

the only LCD i've ever seen ghosting on is my sony PSP..lol so either they've gotten conciderably better in the last couple of years (undoubtedly true) or i'm blind.

Psiweaver · 07-20-2006, 06:34 PM

yeah they have gotten better but watch something very fast on your lcd flat panel like formula 1 racing and then watch it on a nice plasma or rear projection set and you'll see what i mean.

BTBuck1 · 07-21-2006, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Psiweaver

yeah they have gotten better but watch something very fast on your lcd flat panel like formula 1 racing and then watch it on a nice plasma or rear projection set and you'll see what i mean.

How come microdisplays don't suffer from this?

AV_Integrated · 07-21-2006, 04:19 AM

LCD rear projection units and DLP, CRT, and plasma don't have the same issues that LCD panels have. Since it is basically limited to LCD technolgoy, the big thing with LCD projectors is that the panels are so much smaller, they have far less surface area that needs to change. So, it happens far faster than it does with the large flat panels. Large being anything over about an inch!

You will find that as the size of the actual pixel that must respond, increases in size, the response time tends to be slower. Of course, they are constantly working to improve that technology, but it isn't perfect yet.

Of course, you can hang it on the wall and you don't get burn-in which is a big plus for a lot of people out there.

phloyd · 07-21-2006, 05:59 PM

The response time of LC is largely determined by the goo they use and the thickness of the LC cell (rather than area). But what has been said is essentially true - the microdisplays are smaller and thinner and therefore have better response time.

Another thing to consider is that the grey to grey response is typically a lot slower than the black to white - and you know they give you only one number in the spec

07-19-2006, 05:12 PM	#1
tron3 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Aug 2004 Location:New Jersey Blu-ray reviews:3	Finally saw blu-ray in the flesh. Sunday I walk into Circuit City with my brother and we look around for a while. Before I left, I wanted to see blu-ray or hd-dvd in action. I ask the nearest sales person. He walks me over to the display that I glanced at when I walked in the door! I thought it was a live HD feed, and ignored it. I looked closely and did see what I considered slight artifacting. Overall, fantastic picture. It was playing movie clips at 1080p and it was sa-weeet! Naturally the sales guy kept pitching me to buy it inspite of the fact I repeatedly said I only wanted to see it and wasn't buying anything until the mess was settled. Idiot. I believe the player was Samsung. Nice looking unit with the blu(e) lights on the front. I was tempted to buy it right there and then based on looks. But ya know....the stupid format war. Last edited by tron3; 07-19-2006 at 05:28 PM.

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07-19-2006, 05:18 PM	#2
Psiweaver Special Member Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Los Angeles,CA	yeah some of the other players are gonna look better imo.

07-19-2006, 07:45 PM	#3
marzetta7 Special Member Member since:Feb 2006	Walked into BestBuy two days ago and had a look at the Samsung player doing its thing. Too bad they had it hooked up to a crappy Mitsubishi 65" TV, as it didn't do it justice. Don't get me wrong, it looked awesome, but I knew the TV already had issues, as they had a HD Cable TV feed into it before, and you could see pixelation in the picture, a very low contrast, not real bright colors, etc. Now, once they switched it over to the Blu-ray player, it looked remakably better, but I've seen better TVs with better color, more sharpness, and less pixelation. My father has a 45" Sharp Aquos 1080P LCD, and let's just say it blows the Mitsubishi 65" (it only was a $3,200, supposedly 1080P set, so I guess you can't expect that much from it) TV they were displaying with Blu-ray out of the water. For a Blu-ray setup, I want to see the 65" Sharp Aquos with whatever Blu-ray player, and see how that sweet combination will look.

07-19-2006, 08:05 PM	#4
Psiweaver Special Member Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Los Angeles,CA	wouldn't look very good lcd tv's have poor color, image blur, and the sharps aren't made terribly well.

07-20-2006, 05:24 PM	#8
BTBuck1 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Oceanside, CA. Blu-ray collection:507 DVD collection:1	Sharp had the LCD market sewed up a couple years ago, but did nothing but start cutting costs (to retain profitability) and let the competition come in and provde a better product for less, or the same price. Samsung, Sony.... hell, even philips offer better LCD's now. The sharp Aquos have what appear to be visible scan lines, an anomoly i've never seen on a flatpanel tv before, and an apparent grain on most sources its like it's too "sharp" no pun intended.

07-20-2006, 06:34 PM	#10
Psiweaver Special Member Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Los Angeles,CA	yeah they have gotten better but watch something very fast on your lcd flat panel like formula 1 racing and then watch it on a nice plasma or rear projection set and you'll see what i mean.

07-21-2006, 04:19 AM	#12
AV_Integrated Senior Member Member since:Jan 2005	LCD rear projection units and DLP, CRT, and plasma don't have the same issues that LCD panels have. Since it is basically limited to LCD technolgoy, the big thing with LCD projectors is that the panels are so much smaller, they have far less surface area that needs to change. So, it happens far faster than it does with the large flat panels. Large being anything over about an inch! You will find that as the size of the actual pixel that must respond, increases in size, the response time tends to be slower. Of course, they are constantly working to improve that technology, but it isn't perfect yet. Of course, you can hang it on the wall and you don't get burn-in which is a big plus for a lot of people out there.

07-21-2006, 05:59 PM	#13
phloyd Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2003 Location:California Trading Score:5	The response time of LC is largely determined by the goo they use and the thickness of the LC cell (rather than area). But what has been said is essentially true - the microdisplays are smaller and thinner and therefore have better response time. Another thing to consider is that the grey to grey response is typically a lot slower than the black to white - and you know they give you only one number in the spec

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