The Fate of the Furious 4K UHD (2017)

[philochs]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Check pages 16-17 for all the info, it clearly states that HDR10 ("BDMV HDR", Dolby Vision and Philips HDR are the supported standards, the first being mandatory for any application of HDR on UHD disc and the other two as optional formats deployed atop the HDR10. These specs were put in place well before any official ratification of the four variants of ST 2094 so unless whatever version Philips had previously proposed is identical to the Technicolor HDR system as it stands today then the spec will need a revision, which isn't easy when dealing with 20 board members and dozens & dozens of other involved parties.

Thanks for the link. I wonder why a BDA rep told HDGuru that ST 2094-30 was also optional on the spec. Oh well, 'Philips HDR' is confirmed as already part of the BDA spec at least, and it's now under the Technicolor HDR umbrella. Josh Limor said point blank that Technicolor has an HDR format already on the BDA spec. He must have been specifically referring to ST 2094-20 aka 'Philips HDR'. When the two Technicolor SDKs are released, content creators get two for the price of one. I fully expect "Technicolor HDR" disks by Q3 2018. It seems only Samsung actually needs to have the BDA spec updated so that HDR10+ can be the new standard base layer HDR format. I don't expect any push back from the rest of the BDA on that. Technicolor/Philips are good to go. Maybe they have no point in using St 2094-30 for UHD BD encodes whatsoever, in which case ST 2094-20 will still be used, and since Philips and Technicolor merged all HDR ventures, Philips HDR is set to be marketed to consumers as a forthcoming Technicolor HDR format. No way that Josh Limor was lying about that, or that he was somehow mistaken. It's unthinkable. I expect a CES 2018 announcement, it'll be kind of top-secret till then.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Deric2014

6 and 7 were great I actually thought 8 kinda sucked but oh well.

My favorite in the series by far is the fourth one, which I am pretty sure makes me a super weirdo.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

My favorite in the series by far is the fourth one, which I am pretty sure makes me a super weirdo.

1, 2, 5, 3 for me...

[BozQ]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

Dolby Cinema DCP is 2K as well.

Pieter, where do you get information whether Dolby Cinema DCPs are 2K or 4K?

[philochs]

Originally Posted by neoz

Please re read the site rules. You can not discuss piracy here. The next person that promotes it will get a 2 week suspension.

I'm very thankful that AACS 2.0 hasn't been fully compromised as of yet. What's best for Hollywood is what's good for cinephiles.

[philochs]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Not on the UHDs of Fast & Furious 6 and 7 it isn't. Seems like people have either forgotten that snafu or are completely unaware of it, so here's a recap:

F6 & 7 were issued on Blu-ray with lossy DTS:X that contains a DTS-HD High Resolution 7.1 'core' @ a constant 3.4 Mb/s. Each disc contains two cuts of the film which has led to speculation that this is behind the switch to lossy, to save space on the disc, even though Universal released the two Huntsman movies on UHD with two cuts and full-fat lossless DTS:X Master Audio.

Furious 7 at least has this lossy DTS:X/HR variant for both cuts of the film, but Furious 6 has DTS:X/HR for the theatrical cut only, with the extended cut featuring a lossy DTS 5.1 track @ 768 kb/s. Yes, that's old-school lossy DTS like we've wound the clock back 15 years or something.

Additionally, this switch to lossy DTS:X has resulted in a decoding error on certain low/mid-level D&M AVRs which cannot 'see' the DTS:X extension when it's packaged with a lossy core. The affected models can only resolve the DTS-HD HR 7.1 core, and although a firmware patch has been promised it's yet to materialize so IF F8 has a lossy DTS:X implementation (which is no guarantee from the cover specs alone e.g. I've got other discs from Universal that also just say "DTS:X Immersive Audio" but which are true lossless) then this same problem will arise. HTH.

So, if that happens then this release could end up being a complete cluster****, Dolby Vision or no Dolby Vision, as shifting the extended cut to digital only (it's not even on the Blu-ray??) AND providing a lossy audio track is not gonna please a lot of people.

I was unaware, what a drag. A lot of audio 'experts' would contend that there is no audible difference that the human ear can perceive between Dolby AC3 and DTS, let alone DTS-HD vs DTS:MA. They'll tell you that anything above 44.1 kHz is just a gimmick and a waste of disk space. I don't agree with them, but they are everywhere. Regular "DTS" is already equal to the sound quality of a CD, and to them that's as good as it can possibly get. DTS-HD would already be overkill for these people, and nothing you could say could convince them otherwise. They're funny that way. Personally, I'm all for 24-bit/96kHz 'lossy' DTS-HD audio compression or 24-bit/96kHz 'lossless' DTS:MA. The only real difference is that Master Audio is lossless so it roughly quadruples the bit-rate. I wonder how many could truly tell them apart in a blind test though.

[Pieter V]

Originally Posted by BozQ

Pieter, where do you get information whether Dolby Cinema DCPs are 2K or 4K?

From the managers of the two Dolby Cinema's we have here in the Netherlands.

[Rafat]

Guys i read in some Universal website information about the bluray and in the digital hd there's two version the threatcal version and the extended version and in the extended version its says the run time is 2:28 min thats mean its 12 min longer than the regular version if it's true and that great it It's true...

[BozQ]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

From the managers of the two Dolby Cinema's we have here in the Netherlands.

I see. That's very nice.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

From the managers of the two Dolby Cinema's we have here in the Netherlands.

Hopefully they know what they are talking about...
Most here lie to your ass.
Especially when talking about LieMax

[Pieter V]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

Hopefully they know what they are talking about...
Most here lie to your ass.
Especially when talking about LieMax

Luckily Dolby Cinema doesn't do the DMR crap like IMAX. No, they provided me the correct info. Thanks to their info we know that Deadpool and Logan had 4K DCP's.

[philochs]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

Luckily Dolby Cinema doesn't do the DMR crap like IMAX. No, they provided me the correct info. Thanks to their info we know that Deadpool and Logan had 4K DCP's.

Guardians of the Galaxy vol. 2 as well right? Thanks a lot Pieter, please keep us posted on new titles in the future. You da man!

[Pieter V]

Originally Posted by philochs

Guardians of the Galaxy vol. 2 as well right? Thanks a lot Pieter, please keep us posted on new titles in the future. You da man!

Guardians & Pirates 5 are only available in Dolby Cinema 3D here. That's 2K standard.

Otherwise you would have read it here.

[BozQ]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

Guardians & Pirates 5 are only available in Dolby Cinema 3D here. That's 2K standard.

Otherwise you would have read it here.

You should totally create a new thread just for this. You deserve one.

[philochs]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

Guardians & Pirates 5 are only available in Dolby Cinema 3D here. That's 2K standard.

Otherwise you would have read it here.

Well, my local 4K cinema, the Warren Theater has a 2K DCP for Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 and I just reread Scott Wilkerson's review so even Dolby cinema is showing a 2K DCP copy of that one, but apparently according to Scott, there does exist a 4K DI, just not a 4K DCP, but just wanted to answer my own earlier question.

[Rafat]

Its confirmed the extended cut will be 2:28mi its mean 12min longer than the regular version

[Geoff D]

Meh. If it's another 12 minutes of Dom glaring while Cipher gloats (which drag the movie down too much as it is) then you can keep it. I'd still like to have the uncut neck smash at the end though.

[Gamma_Winstead]

Originally Posted by Rafat

Its confirmed the extended cut will be 2:28mi its mean 12min longer than the regular version

Wow, that's significantly more than I ever assumed it would be. I'm used to it just being an additional 2 minutes for these extended cuts.

[imsounoriginal]

A two-and-a-half-hour FF movie seems like overkill, honestly.

[stargazeruk]

Question is will they again screw up the audio for the UHD like they did with FF6 and 7.

I hope this time the core is DTS-HD MA and not DTS for the extended cut or even DTS-HR.