Other Subwoofers Owners Thread - Blu-ray Forum

aramis109 · 01-15-2009, 05:28 AM

Please go to the Master List of Subwoofer Owners Thread and post comments about your subwoofer there. Thank you.

Got my Premier Acoustics PA-120 today. Let it return to room temperature from sitting out on the porch all day and then fired it up. Ran it for a bit, then ran Audyssey as I didn't like how it sounded by default. Getting it dialed in now- watched Gone in 60 Seconds, and Eleanor just roared throughout the room. Haven't had much chance to watch anything else due to the fact that my family is in bed.

Thus far, it seems like a very solid sub. I'll post pics soon, but the build quality is good. Piano black finish on top is very nice, and the grille snaps in nicely (though the tabs are plastic). One complaint I have is that the power cord is too blasted short- right now I have it plugged into the wall instead of my power conditioner. I'll have to look into options there or just put up with it.

Sound-wise, it meshes well with my setup with the crossovers set at 80hz. I can tell a large difference from my previous sub, as expected. I haven't run test tones or anything like that (and probably won't unless there's a problem) but overall am pretty happy with the purchase.

For $229 shipped, I feel it's definitely a strong performer in the budget category. It looks nice, is very solid, and seems to perform well thus far. I'll update as I have more to say, but wanted to get some information out there for people that are looking for something that works well on a budget.

aramis109 · 01-15-2009, 03:51 PM

Uploading some pics now courtesy of Pakow over at AVS. Hopefully he won't mind as I have rehosted them elsewhere to conserve his bandwidth. He actually took apart his new PA-120 to get an idea of the interior. Again, for a budget sub I think this is pretty decent. Internal bracing, batting and decently-thick MDF:

Thing weighs 56lbs according to one member on AVS, and guesstimating I'd agree- it's definitely more than a salt bag! I'll update later with some of my own pics with it in my current setup. Enjoy and feel free to post your thoughts on the sub since I'm by no means an expert.

D1-2005 · 01-15-2009, 04:16 PM

I recieved my PA-120 yesterday, but I am moving Saturday and will have to wait till Saturday night or Sunday to hook it up and test it. Over all I was impressed with the size and quality just from looks.

DC_Street · 01-16-2009, 01:38 AM

listen to this when you get it hooked up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlOJr...e=channel_page

aramis109 · 01-16-2009, 12:04 PM

I might try that from the PS3 or something.

Watched a bit of Transformers last night just to check the sub and was pretty happy with it. Then watched LOTR: Return of the King and was pleased overall with the sub's performance. I think I need to work on placement a bit but overall I would say it was a good purchase.

aramis109 · 01-16-2009, 02:05 PM

Watching TMNT on blu with my kid now. We're hiding from the arctic weather conditions out today! Water main actually blew at work. Anyway, this is one of our favorites to watch together so I've seen it probably 7x easy. Bass is definitely more pronounced and crisp without being overpowering as compared to my old setup(s). The more I play the more happy I am with my purchase. It's maybe even overkill for my setup (I know some of you with higher-end setups will disagree).

Very pleased with the purchase!

DC_Street · 01-16-2009, 03:50 PM

wait until you have it fully broken it

I keep hearing subs sound better and better as you break them in.

mine is going to take awhile from what I have heard

VHS4Ever · 01-17-2009, 08:59 AM

Damn I need to get myself one of these! Watching movies and listening to music without a sub blows. To make matters worse my speakers Frequency response is 135-20,000 Hz

.

aramis109 · 01-17-2009, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VHS4Ever

Damn I need to get myself one of these! Watching movies and listening to music without a sub blows. To make matters worse my speakers Frequency response is 135-20,000 Hz

.

135?! That's bad even for satellite speakers. Most satellites are about 120hz. Without the lower end all you're getting is dialog and a bit of midrange. While putting all that through the subwoofer does have its disadvantages, it'll sound 100% better than no bottom end!

I can definitely recommend this sub if you want something good on a budget. Sounds like the BIC series that DC picked up is good as well. Mine seems to be a great sub for the money. I really enjoy it. One thing I noted vs. my old sub was that I get ZERO hiss, which is really nice. I used to get a bit of hiss when the sub was on. It was negligible, but still irritating to know it was there.

Big Daddy · 01-17-2009, 11:59 PM

Premier Acoustics speakers give you good value for the price. If you haven't seen these, here are some reviews:

http://www.audaud.com/article.php?ArticleID=1979
http://www.hometheaterfocus.com/spea...coustics1.aspx
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/pa/index.html

Edit: We should create a thread for Non Elemental Designs subwoofer owners. The rest of us can rave about our subwoofers and have orgasms over them.

aramis109 · 01-18-2009, 02:13 AM

That's actually part of the reason I started this thread. After seeing and hearing the PA-120, I would be a lot more willing to recommend or try the rest of the speakers in their line.

Rob J in WNY · 01-18-2009, 02:25 AM

Nice write-up and photos. How cool is it that someone had pictures of the sub's "guts." I like the idea of a continuously variable phase control. Talk about fine tuning for maximum SPL from your listening position!

Funny you mentioned about the weight of a "salt bag." I just bought a 50 pounder the other day (Buffalo, NY area is in the deep-freeze, too - heh).

Glad the sub's an improvement you are looking for. Most definitely spec'd out better than other subs in its price range. Yes, there is certainly a difference in sub performance from one model to the next. Especially in producing the sensation from the lowest possible frequencies. Location, location, location, too!

Halcro 1 · 01-19-2009, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VHS4Ever

Damn I need to get myself one of these! Watching movies and listening to music without a sub blows. To make matters worse my speakers Frequency response is 135-20,000 Hz

.

Idget some new main speakers with better FR first ... You will have to cross the sib so high it will sound kind of muddy

hagar852 · 01-19-2009, 02:44 PM

I am liking the idea of this thread. You have to admit this forum has become biased to the ED sub.

I myself just got the S12 from Aperion which roughly the same size as the ED, but a lot better looking. I will post a pic as soon as I get it uploaded to photobucket.

tilapiah6 · 01-19-2009, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hagar852

I am liking the idea of this thread. You have to admit this forum has become biased to the ED sub.

I myself just got the S12 from Aperion which roughly the same size as the ED, but a lot better looking. I will post a pic as soon as I get it uploaded to photobucket.

Not to disagree with your sub, which I'm sure looks great, but my ED sub looks great with a matte finish. The odye, however, looks horrible.

aramis109 · 01-19-2009, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tilapiah6

Not to disagree with your sub, which I'm sure looks great, but my ED sub looks great with a matte finish. The odye, however, looks horrible.

Not trying to badmouth your sub, but some folks may not like the form factor or overall bulk. Besides, this is the non-eD thread!

Hagar- I looked up your sub. Really nice! 20hz in a nice compact sub. So, did you get it through Aperion (since it's discontinued) or did you go elsewhere? May I ask how much you paid for it? I'm curious if there are deals to be found on this sub since it's no longer manufactured according the link.

tilapiah6 · 01-19-2009, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aramis109

Not trying to badmouth your sub, but some folks may not like the form factor or overall bulk. Besides, this is the non-eD thread!

Hagar- I looked up your sub. Really nice! 20hz in a nice compact sub. So, did you get it through Aperion (since it's discontinued) or did you go elsewhere? May I ask how much you paid for it? I'm curious if there are deals to be found on this sub since it's no longer manufactured according the link.

I know, I know. Just don't want it to become, indirectly or otherwise, an ED bashing thread.

Bourne1 · 01-19-2009, 05:25 PM

This thread was a great idea. While I can appreciate someone's input and feedback on a product I should buy, I think that every thread seeking advice for a subwoofer becomes dominated by the ED and overkill to the point there are arguments going back and forth.

Anyway, I am interested in following subwoofer brands; Martin Logan, Def Tech, SVS, and Polk Audio (only the DSW series). My max pricing is going to be $600. I'll let you guys know what I decide to get.

nezff · 01-19-2009, 05:39 PM

I have a klipsch RW10d sub. It is a great sub for having a ten inch driver. It does really well in my 15x31 room.

it is also for sale.

zweet77 · 01-19-2009, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DC_Street

wait until you have it fully broken it

I keep hearing subs sound better and better as you break them in.

mine is going to take awhile from what I have heard

+1 I have the h100 after a couple hundred hours of use this sub is really coming into its own Its got a lot punch I just can't see how you could do better for the price all around.Depending on how a certain ebay auction goes I may be going over to the darkside though

01-15-2009, 05:28 AM	#1
aramis109 Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Mar 2008 Location:Milwaukee, WI Home Theater Gallery:10 4K collection:4 Blu-ray collection:360 Trading Score:18	Other Subwoofers Owners Thread Please go to the Master List of Subwoofer Owners Thread and post comments about your subwoofer there. Thank you. Got my Premier Acoustics PA-120 today. Let it return to room temperature from sitting out on the porch all day and then fired it up. Ran it for a bit, then ran Audyssey as I didn't like how it sounded by default. Getting it dialed in now- watched Gone in 60 Seconds, and Eleanor just roared throughout the room. Haven't had much chance to watch anything else due to the fact that my family is in bed. Thus far, it seems like a very solid sub. I'll post pics soon, but the build quality is good. Piano black finish on top is very nice, and the grille snaps in nicely (though the tabs are plastic). One complaint I have is that the power cord is too blasted short- right now I have it plugged into the wall instead of my power conditioner. I'll have to look into options there or just put up with it. Sound-wise, it meshes well with my setup with the crossovers set at 80hz. I can tell a large difference from my previous sub, as expected. I haven't run test tones or anything like that (and probably won't unless there's a problem) but overall am pretty happy with the purchase. For $229 shipped, I feel it's definitely a strong performer in the budget category. It looks nice, is very solid, and seems to perform well thus far. I'll update as I have more to say, but wanted to get some information out there for people that are looking for something that works well on a budget. Last edited by Big Daddy; 01-21-2009 at 12:41 PM.

01-15-2009, 03:51 PM	#2
aramis109 Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Mar 2008 Location:Milwaukee, WI Home Theater Gallery:10 4K collection:4 Blu-ray collection:360 Trading Score:18	Uploading some pics now courtesy of Pakow over at AVS. Hopefully he won't mind as I have rehosted them elsewhere to conserve his bandwidth. He actually took apart his new PA-120 to get an idea of the interior. Again, for a budget sub I think this is pretty decent. Internal bracing, batting and decently-thick MDF: Thing weighs 56lbs according to one member on AVS, and guesstimating I'd agree- it's definitely more than a salt bag! I'll update later with some of my own pics with it in my current setup. Enjoy and feel free to post your thoughts on the sub since I'm by no means an expert. Last edited by aramis109; 01-15-2009 at 03:58 PM.

01-15-2009, 04:16 PM	#3
D1-2005 Senior Member Top contributor Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Kansas City Home Theater Gallery:12 4K collection:20 Blu-ray collection:298	I recieved my PA-120 yesterday, but I am moving Saturday and will have to wait till Saturday night or Sunday to hook it up and test it. Over all I was impressed with the size and quality just from looks. Last edited by D1-2005; 01-15-2009 at 04:19 PM.

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DC_Street Power Member Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Denver, CO Blu-ray collection:142 Trading Score:43	listen to this when you get it hooked up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlOJr...e=channel_page

01-16-2009, 12:04 PM	#5
aramis109 Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Mar 2008 Location:Milwaukee, WI Home Theater Gallery:10 4K collection:4 Blu-ray collection:360 Trading Score:18	I might try that from the PS3 or something. Watched a bit of Transformers last night just to check the sub and was pretty happy with it. Then watched LOTR: Return of the King and was pleased overall with the sub's performance. I think I need to work on placement a bit but overall I would say it was a good purchase.

01-16-2009, 02:05 PM	#6
aramis109 Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Mar 2008 Location:Milwaukee, WI Home Theater Gallery:10 4K collection:4 Blu-ray collection:360 Trading Score:18	Watching TMNT on blu with my kid now. We're hiding from the arctic weather conditions out today! Water main actually blew at work. Anyway, this is one of our favorites to watch together so I've seen it probably 7x easy. Bass is definitely more pronounced and crisp without being overpowering as compared to my old setup(s). The more I play the more happy I am with my purchase. It's maybe even overkill for my setup (I know some of you with higher-end setups will disagree). Very pleased with the purchase!

01-16-2009, 03:50 PM	#7
DC_Street Power Member Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Denver, CO Blu-ray collection:142 Trading Score:43	wait until you have it fully broken it I keep hearing subs sound better and better as you break them in. mine is going to take awhile from what I have heard

01-17-2009, 08:59 AM	#8
VHS4Ever Senior Member Member since:Sep 2008 Blu-ray collection:224 Blu-ray reviews:61 Trading Score:16	Damn I need to get myself one of these! Watching movies and listening to music without a sub blows. To make matters worse my speakers Frequency response is 135-20,000 Hz .

01-17-2009, 11:59 PM	#10
Big Daddy Blu-ray Champion Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Southern California Home Theater Gallery:79 Blu-ray collection:122 Trading Score:1	Premier Acoustics speakers give you good value for the price. If you haven't seen these, here are some reviews: http://www.audaud.com/article.php?ArticleID=1979 http://www.hometheaterfocus.com/spea...coustics1.aspx http://www.hometheaterforum.com/pa/index.html Edit: We should create a thread for Non Elemental Designs subwoofer owners. The rest of us can rave about our subwoofers and have orgasms over them.

01-18-2009, 02:13 AM	#11
aramis109 Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Mar 2008 Location:Milwaukee, WI Home Theater Gallery:10 4K collection:4 Blu-ray collection:360 Trading Score:18	That's actually part of the reason I started this thread. After seeing and hearing the PA-120, I would be a lot more willing to recommend or try the rest of the speakers in their line.

01-18-2009, 02:25 AM	#12
Rob J in WNY Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2008 Location:'Western' N.Y. State (MEMBER OF THE "ECPP")™ Home Theater Gallery:24 4K collection:30 Blu-ray collection:486 iTunes collection:1 Blu-ray reviews: 15	Nice write-up and photos. How cool is it that someone had pictures of the sub's "guts." I like the idea of a continuously variable phase control. Talk about fine tuning for maximum SPL from your listening position! Funny you mentioned about the weight of a "salt bag." I just bought a 50 pounder the other day (Buffalo, NY area is in the deep-freeze, too - heh). Glad the sub's an improvement you are looking for. Most definitely spec'd out better than other subs in its price range. Yes, there is certainly a difference in sub performance from one model to the next. Especially in producing the sensation from the lowest possible frequencies. Location, location, location, too!

01-19-2009, 02:44 PM	#14
hagar852 Senior Member Member since:Aug 2007 Home Theater Gallery:5 Blu-ray collection:107	I am liking the idea of this thread. You have to admit this forum has become biased to the ED sub. I myself just got the S12 from Aperion which roughly the same size as the ED, but a lot better looking. I will post a pic as soon as I get it uploaded to photobucket.

01-19-2009, 05:25 PM	#18
Bourne1 Senior Member Member since:Dec 2007	This thread was a great idea. While I can appreciate someone's input and feedback on a product I should buy, I think that every thread seeking advice for a subwoofer becomes dominated by the ED and overkill to the point there are arguments going back and forth. Anyway, I am interested in following subwoofer brands; Martin Logan, Def Tech, SVS, and Polk Audio (only the DSW series). My max pricing is going to be $600. I'll let you guys know what I decide to get.

01-19-2009, 05:39 PM	#19
nezff Banned Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Apr 2008 Location:Louisiana Home Theater Gallery:36 Blu-ray collection:25 Blu-ray reviews: 4 Trading Score:5	I have a klipsch RW10d sub. It is a great sub for having a ten inch driver. It does really well in my 15x31 room. it is also for sale.

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