Blood And Black Lace (1964) (VCI Entertainment) - October 23, 2018 - Page 6 - Blu-ray Forum

todmichel · 06-25-2018, 10:11 PM

Furthermore, one of the arguments of Tim Lucas is that the sigle "1.85" is not printed on the Italian posters of the film.
This is probably the most inept argument that I ever met, when you know that Italian movie posters are generally full of errors & mistakes, like the word "Technicolor" for many color films made with a different process, false credits (the original poster for "Night of the Living Dead" giving an "American name" to George A. Romero because the distributor thought than "Romero" sounded "too much Italian", and so on. I even have an Italian poster for "Son of Frankenstein" which simply forget to mention Boris Karloff among the players, so, with this "proof", I can develop a theory that this dear William Henry Pratt never was in the film as well...
One of the most ridiculous examples being the Italian posters and print of the Japanese horror film "Kaidan semushi otoko" (1965, directed by Hajime Satô), known locally as "Il pozzo di Satana" - where ALL the names of Japanese cast and crew are replaced by American names !

Shingster · 06-25-2018, 10:19 PM

Those specs do sound promising. Dare I get my hopes up on this?

JohnCarpenterFan · 06-25-2018, 10:29 PM

"Original film materials" generally means not the original negatives. If this is even a decent scan of a print then I'll still get it and choose it over the Arrow whenever I want to watch the film.

I'll take a presentation with inferior detail over one with great detail which gets a fundamental part of the presentation wrong. Same reason why I stuck with my DVD of Carpenter's Vampires when at the time the only Blu-rays had been "naturalized" and lacked the heavy red push which Sony/TT thankfully corrected for later releases.

todmichel · 07-09-2018, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by javy

I love my Arrow blu-ray.

Well, take a hotel room !

todmichel · 07-09-2018, 09:43 PM

[QUOTE=JohnCarpenterFan;15216463]"Original film materials" generally means not the original negatives. If this is even a decent scan of a print then I'll still get it and choose it over the Arrow whenever I want to watch the film.

I'll take a presentation with inferior detail over one with great detail which gets a fundamental part of the presentation wrong."

You are entirely right of course, but apparently some people just see the "superior detail" and are totally unable to understand the importance of a correct image ratio.
Until now, and in the hope that the announced BluRay will be 100% accurate, I'm happy to have the Spanish DVD, as it's made from the same master than the old Anolis DVD, includes Italian and English soundtracks, and is much more preferable than the Arrow disaster !

takeasneededforpain · 07-09-2018, 10:29 PM

Wait what???

The Arrow version of this is suddenly awful now???

WaverBoy · 07-09-2018, 10:33 PM

[quote=todmichel;15265375]

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnCarpenterFan

"Original film materials" generally means not the original negatives. If this is even a decent scan of a print then I'll still get it and choose it over the Arrow whenever I want to watch the film.

I'll take a presentation with inferior detail over one with great detail which gets a fundamental part of the presentation wrong."

You are entirely right of course, but apparently some people just see the "superior detail" and are totally unable to understand the importance of a correct image ratio.
Until now, and in the hope that the announced BluRay will be 100% accurate, I'm happy to have the Spanish DVD, as it's made from the same master than the old Anolis DVD, includes Italian and English soundtracks, and is much more preferable than the Arrow disaster !

Best-looking disaster I've ever seen.

JohnCarpenterFan · 07-09-2018, 11:04 PM

The detail is great, but if you look at the whole picture (or lack thereof

), the "restoration" is a botchjob and does a great disservice to the film.

babybreese · 07-10-2018, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by takeasneededforpain

Wait what???

The Arrow version of this is suddenly awful now???

Naw, it was screwed from Day 1.

The quality of the scan is unimpeachable.
The issues of incorrect framing and occasional color timing that veers too warm were noted at release, and widely ignored.

elric301 · 08-22-2018, 12:07 AM

The Arrow situation reminds me of Universal's Hammer releases, in particular BRIDES OF DRACULA. The DVD was nearly perfect in terms of colour and framing, but the later releases were cropped to 2.20:1, due to someone reading the film cans, which indicated that as Universal, did, in fact, crop them down for U.S. theatrical release. This does not make that right, and anyone who knew anything, or could be bothered to do 20 minutes of research, could see that.

A mistake was made and Arrow did not see to fix it. Stunning colors, but misframed, like a painting with a bad frame on it. Much like when the BF stated on their restoration of DRACULA, they they did not want to make it look like a Technicolor movie(!).

I hope VCI gets this right. The commentaries listed come from good people who love Bava. It looks very enticing.

hanshotfirst1138 · 08-22-2018, 12:41 AM

What happened with Hellraiser 3?

DR Herbert West · 08-22-2018, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hanshotfirst1138

What happened with Hellraiser 3?

The entire film is horribly misframed on the Arrow release.

whysleep · 08-22-2018, 03:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elric301

I hope VCI gets this right.

Or Studiocanal, even if it's not English friendly: https://www.dvdfr.com/dvd/f163982-6-...lassassin.html

Keyser Soze. · 08-22-2018, 06:50 AM

Well this thread was an interesting read.

Looks like I'll have to keep an eye out for reviews of this disc once it drops.

Albie989 · 08-24-2018, 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DR Herbert West

The entire film is horribly misframed on the Arrow release.

Well, it looks like Arrow also scanned the area covered by the soundtrack, thus the off-center framing as seen on caps-a-holic.

whysleep · 09-29-2018, 06:40 PM

Apparently, unlike the initially released specs suggested, Studiocanal's release uses Arrow's master, maintaining the 1.66:1 aspect ratio. It looks like VCI will be our only hope for a proper 1.85:1 release, somehow it has come to this...

NLScavenger · 10-20-2018, 11:42 AM

Looks like a review is imminent; a score of 3.5/5 has been added to the entry.

Scoot79 · 10-20-2018, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by t_rav

Abysmal. Only exceptions are Dark Night of the Scarecrow and the new, remastered release of City of the Dead. Both of those are great. Proceed with extreme caution.

I completely agree with Dark Night of the Scarecrow. I love that film and VCI really delivered with their Blu-ray and DVD releases of it. But what about The Bird with the Crystal Plumage?

babybreese · 10-20-2018, 02:41 PM

It has some truly awful compression in places.

NLScavenger · 10-20-2018, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NLScavenger

Looks like a review is imminent; a score of 3.5/5 has been added to the entry.

Review is up: https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Blood...207308/#Review

06-25-2018, 10:11 PM	#101
todmichel New Member Member since:Jun 2018	Furthermore, one of the arguments of Tim Lucas is that the sigle "1.85" is not printed on the Italian posters of the film. This is probably the most inept argument that I ever met, when you know that Italian movie posters are generally full of errors & mistakes, like the word "Technicolor" for many color films made with a different process, false credits (the original poster for "Night of the Living Dead" giving an "American name" to George A. Romero because the distributor thought than "Romero" sounded "too much Italian", and so on. I even have an Italian poster for "Son of Frankenstein" which simply forget to mention Boris Karloff among the players, so, with this "proof", I can develop a theory that this dear William Henry Pratt never was in the film as well... One of the most ridiculous examples being the Italian posters and print of the Japanese horror film "Kaidan semushi otoko" (1965, directed by Hajime Satô), known locally as "Il pozzo di Satana" - where ALL the names of Japanese cast and crew are replaced by American names !

06-25-2018, 10:19 PM	#102
Shingster Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Aug 2009	Those specs do sound promising. Dare I get my hopes up on this?

06-25-2018, 10:29 PM	#103
JohnCarpenterFan Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Jun 2015 Blu-ray collection:295	"Original film materials" generally means not the original negatives. If this is even a decent scan of a print then I'll still get it and choose it over the Arrow whenever I want to watch the film. I'll take a presentation with inferior detail over one with great detail which gets a fundamental part of the presentation wrong. Same reason why I stuck with my DVD of Carpenter's Vampires when at the time the only Blu-rays had been "naturalized" and lacked the heavy red push which Sony/TT thankfully corrected for later releases.

07-09-2018, 09:43 PM	#105
todmichel New Member Member since:Jun 2018	[QUOTE=JohnCarpenterFan;15216463]"Original film materials" generally means not the original negatives. If this is even a decent scan of a print then I'll still get it and choose it over the Arrow whenever I want to watch the film. I'll take a presentation with inferior detail over one with great detail which gets a fundamental part of the presentation wrong." You are entirely right of course, but apparently some people just see the "superior detail" and are totally unable to understand the importance of a correct image ratio. Until now, and in the hope that the announced BluRay will be 100% accurate, I'm happy to have the Spanish DVD, as it's made from the same master than the old Anolis DVD, includes Italian and English soundtracks, and is much more preferable than the Arrow disaster !

07-09-2018, 10:29 PM	#106
takeasneededforpain Power Member Member since:Jun 2014 Location:Canada Blu-ray collection:106 DVD collection:14	Wait what??? The Arrow version of this is suddenly awful now???

07-09-2018, 11:04 PM	#108
JohnCarpenterFan Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Jun 2015 Blu-ray collection:295	The detail is great, but if you look at the whole picture (or lack thereof ), the "restoration" is a botchjob and does a great disservice to the film.

08-22-2018, 12:07 AM	#110
elric301 New Member Member since:Aug 2018	The Arrow situation reminds me of Universal's Hammer releases, in particular BRIDES OF DRACULA. The DVD was nearly perfect in terms of colour and framing, but the later releases were cropped to 2.20:1, due to someone reading the film cans, which indicated that as Universal, did, in fact, crop them down for U.S. theatrical release. This does not make that right, and anyone who knew anything, or could be bothered to do 20 minutes of research, could see that. A mistake was made and Arrow did not see to fix it. Stunning colors, but misframed, like a painting with a bad frame on it. Much like when the BF stated on their restoration of DRACULA, they they did not want to make it look like a Technicolor movie(!). I hope VCI gets this right. The commentaries listed come from good people who love Bava. It looks very enticing.

08-22-2018, 12:41 AM	#111
hanshotfirst1138 Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Dec 2011 4K collection:112 Blu-ray collection:741 DVD collection:91 Trading Score:24	What happened with Hellraiser 3?

08-22-2018, 06:50 AM	#114
Keyser Soze. Power Member Member since:Aug 2013 Location:Right behind you. Blu-ray collection:42 Trading Score:44	Well this thread was an interesting read. Looks like I'll have to keep an eye out for reviews of this disc once it drops.

09-29-2018, 06:40 PM	#116
whysleep Power Member Member since:Mar 2011	Apparently, unlike the initially released specs suggested, Studiocanal's release uses Arrow's master, maintaining the 1.66:1 aspect ratio. It looks like VCI will be our only hope for a proper 1.85:1 release, somehow it has come to this...

10-20-2018, 11:42 AM	#117
NLScavenger Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Dec 2013 Location:Netherlands 4K collection:24 Blu-ray collection:835 Trading Score:9	Looks like a review is imminent; a score of 3.5/5 has been added to the entry.

10-20-2018, 02:41 PM	#119
babybreese Blu-ray Guru Member since:Sep 2012 Blu-ray collection:304	It has some truly awful compression in places.

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