Oliver Stone's JFK -- Magic Bullet Theory Demolished

[Ernest Rister]

Watch this...

Oliver Stone's JFK Presentation of the "Magic Bullet"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMsPq7gQCrk

Compelling stuff, right?

Then watch this...

Peter Jennings & ABC News CGI Recreation of the Assassination
First Clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikIRB3lvFvw
Second Clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSBXW1-VGmM

Thoughts?

[Gremal]

No doubt Oliver Stone doesn't know what the heck he's talking about, but this has nothing to do with Blu-ray. Moved to Movie Discussion folder.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Gremal

No doubt Oliver Stone doesn't know what the heck he's talking about, but this has nothing to do with Blu-ray. Moved to Movie Discussion folder.

Move was just released on Blu-Ray, sorry I had it in the wrong folder. Just found the clips, wanted to share them. Thanks for moving them to the correct folder.

[movielib]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Watch this...

Oliver Stone's JFK Presentation of the "Magic Bullet"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMsPq7gQCrk

Compelling stuff, right?

Then watch this...

Peter Jennings & ABC News CGI Recreation of the Assassination
First Clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikIRB3lvFvw
Second Clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSBXW1-VGmM

Thoughts?

You're absolutely right. This program was on more than five years ago, though. There have been many other excellent programs, several on the Discovery Network, including one in late 2008. Also very worthy was a show on what used to be called Court TV in 2003.

I would recommend this book to put away any thoughts of conspiracy or that anyone other than Oswald did it:

http://www.amazon.com/Reclaiming-His...2866421&sr=1-3



BTW, I love JFK as cinema. As history it is dreck.

[Gremal]

I am surprised that you could recognize it as historical kaka and still like the movie. I thought everyone who liked the movie believed the kaka.

[Canada]

JFK was a great movie and they make a compelling argument for a conspirisy. But once you see the ABC news clips you don't belive it.

But it doesn't change the fact that I thought JFK was a great film.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Canada

JFK was a great movie and they make a compelling argument for a conspirisy. But once you see the ABC news clips you don't belive it.

But it doesn't change the fact that I thought JFK was a great film.

JFK is a brilliant film -- it might be the best example of film editing I've ever seen. The film certainly influenced an entire generation in terms of film editing and mixed media, although I don't thnk Stone's later attempts with the same technique were as successful.

But no, it's a brilliant film in terms of film craft -- it's just hopelessly inaccurate and biased in its content.

[Canada]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

JFK is a brilliant film -- it might be the best example of film editing I've ever seen. The film certainly influenced an entire generation in terms of film editing and mixed media, although I don't thnk Stone's later attempts with the same technique were as successful.

But no, it's a brilliant film in terms of film craft -- it's just hopelessly inaccurate and biased in its content.

Oliver Stone is a very outspoken filmaker, I wouldn't have it any other way.

[quexos]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Watch this...

Oliver Stone's JFK Presentation of the "Magic Bullet"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMsPq7gQCrk

Compelling stuff, right?

Then watch this...

Peter Jennings & ABC News CGI Recreation of the Assassination
First Clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikIRB3lvFvw
Second Clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSBXW1-VGmM

Thoughts?

I don't even know where to begin ? You guys fall for this 10 minutes documentary ??? There are so many flaws in just 10 minutes of documentary that the idea that this could debunk 50 years of history is laughable.
True that it can be argued that Oliver Stone used hyperbole for his movie, my guess to stress historical facts, which I agree is not the best way to defend history.
So you guys believe Oswald the lonely killer was so lucky as to "guess" that the most protected man on earth was going to be on an roofless unprotected car that day ? that he was going to have such a clear shot that day ? This documentary conveniently did not show the part of the Zaptruder film where Kennedy's head flies back and to the left ? so if you believe there is only one killer standing behind Kennedy, how does that second or third shot that takes half his brains off, make his head fly back and to the left ??? (For those who don't know the Zaptruder film is an authentic film shot the real day of Kennedy's assassination so his head flying backwards and to the left when shot, is absolute and unquestionable proof of a killer hitting from the front right) Where is the explanation as to how easily and magically the cops "guessed" the whereabouts of Oswald only a little bit after the assassination ? How easily he was murdered too ?

This Oswald is amazing because he was both the luckiest and less lucky man on earth at the same time. Luckiest considering how easily he murdered the most protected man on earth and so unlucky considering how easily he got caught and killed ...

There is so much more to say that honestly I wouldn't know where to begin. Just my opinion.

One last thing I wonder does the CIA really believe the masses are going to forget about the Kennedy's assassination with that ridiculous 10 minutes of material ? Because in that case it must be said that they have a very low opinion of the people they are supposed to "serve and protect".

[Blu-ray Neo]

Originally Posted by quexos

I don't even know where to begin ? You guys fall for this 10 minutes documentary ??? There are so many flaws in just 10 minutes of documentary that the idea that this could debunk 50 years of history is laughable.
True that it can be argued that Oliver Stone used hyperbole for his movie, my guess to stress historical facts, which I agree is not the best way to defend history.
So you guys believe Oswald the lonely killer was so lucky as to "guess" that the most protected man on earth was going to be on an roofless unprotected car that day ? that he was going to have such a clear shot that day ? This documentary conveniently did not show the part of the Zaptruder film where Kennedy's head flies back and to the left ? so if you believe there is only one killer standing behind Kennedy, how does that second or third shot that takes half his brains off, make his head fly back and to the left ??? (For those who don't know the Zaptruder film is an authentic film shot the real day of Kennedy's assassination so his head flying backwards and to the left when shot, is absolute and unquestionable proof of a killer hitting from the front right) Where is the explanation as to how easily and magically the cops "guessed" the whereabouts of Oswald only a little bit after the assassination ? How easily he was murdered too ?

This Oswald is amazing because he was both the luckiest and less lucky man on earth at the same time. Luckiest considering how easily he murdered the most protected man on earth and so unlucky considering how easily he got caught and killed ...

There is so much more to say that honestly I wouldn't know where to begin. Just my opinion.

One last thing I wonder does the CIA really believe the masses are going to forget about the Kennedy's assassination with that ridiculous 10 minutes of material ?

Amen!

There are suckers born every single minute. As a former US Government employee in the intelligence field, this is a classic case of misdirection.

The way the US Government works, the closer you get, the more disparaging they get. This is a smear job at Oliver Stone and everyone involved with investigating the assassination. The CIA is trying to plant doubt inside the citizen's heads.

For instance, if Oswald were the lone assassin, then pray tell me why the US CIA has indeed, pushed back the release of the JFK Assassination documents for another 20 years?

Everytime we get close to the date of release, the US Government pushes the date back even further. Do your own homework and use your brain. Think outside the box.


One other thing, anyone with any kind of experience in gunfire knows where the shot to Kennedy's head came from. (Approx. 2-3 O'Clock)

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Oh so many ways for me to get warnings within this thread!!! And it's FAR TOO tempting...

[xander]

I saw WANTED this year and it just takes the right person to make the bullets do things like that. Just because Peter Jennings couldn't replicate the shot doesn't prove anything. You guys are silly.

[thedarkangel1975]

Originally Posted by Blu-ray Neo

Amen!

There are suckers born every single minute. As a former US Government employee in the intelligence field, this is a classic case of misdirection.

The way the US Government works, the closer you get, the more disparaging they get. This is a smear job at Oliver Stone and everyone involved with investigating the assassination. The CIA is trying to plant doubt inside the citizen's heads.

For instance, if Oswald were the lone assassin, then pray tell me why the US CIA has indeed, pushed back the release of the JFK Assassination documents for another 20 years?

Everytime we get close to the date of release, the US Government pushes the date back even further. Do your own homework and use your brain. Think outside the box.


One other thing, anyone with any kind of experience in gunfire knows where the shot to Kennedy's head came from. (Approx. 2-3 O'Clock)

Plus the top marksmen in the world could not recreate what Oswald did that day. I have been to the Book Depository where Oswald was waiting, for him to get off that shot would have been an act of God.

[rev.and.ride]

I find it amusing that people are so trusting in the ABC/Discovery programs.

The entire theory on the Discovery program is based on the assumption that they correctly understand the wounds. The only question is which account of the wounds? The Warren Commission or the more than 20 first-hand, eye witnessnesses who give a totally different description.

It doesn't take a brain surgeon (pun intended) to recognize that if you are basing your evidence on the Warren Commission, you'll get a similar result. They didn't even discuss the dissenting views on the autopsy. If you bought the theories presented in these programs, you just swallowed a whole load of BS without even chewing on it.

It's sad that people are so intellectually lazy that they don't even consider gaping holes in the evidence presented. They saw it on TV, so it must be so.

[Riff Magnum]

Yeah, there's nothing in that clip that makes me think the kill shot came from any other place than the grassy knoll. It's almost cute that some people still believe the Warren commission.

[Riff Magnum]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

Oh so many ways for me to get warnings within this thread!!! And it's FAR TOO tempting...

It's weird that i always see mods and reviewers chiming in on how stupid us conspiracy theorists are, but we're supposed to be scared of being banned by them for speaking our minds. What 's that all about? Sounds like a conspiracy right here in river city. LOL!!

[ssmith3046]

I don't believe there was only one shooter. But what I think that is relative to Blu-ray is, is that JFK is a great movie. Agree or disagree with all the various theories but look at JFK as an example of great movie making. I agree with Ebert when he list this movie as one of the 100 greatest films made.

[Dotpattern]

The worst thing about that Jennings program was when they showed an expert simulating 3 shots from a bolt action rifle, trying to prove that Oswald could have gotten off the 3 shots in the short time frame indicated by the Zapruder film. Sure, the expert was able to pull the trigger, pull back and push forward the bolt 3 times in the given time frame, but he didn't even attempt to aim at a moving target.

So in other words, the only way to get off 3 shots from a bolt action rifle in the time frame indicated is to NOT aim. Pretty lucky indeed.

[McKellars]

There had to have been a second spitter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gcaq4ElAJrE

It was Roger McDowell.

[Blu-ray Neo]

Originally Posted by rev.and.ride

I find it amusing that people are so trusting in the ABC/Discovery programs.

Yep! Considering that Peter Jennings is an expert in marksmanship and ballistic wounds.