Why do Sony 4K discs look SO good??

[Kris Deering]

The only thing I don't like about Sony releases are their inconsistencies with metadata. They either put the wrong data in, or it is missing. But a lot of studios are guilty of this.

I think Fox has done a great job too but I like that Sony makes it a point to do new Atmos mixes whereas Fox is really stingy in this regard, even on bigger titles.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

The only thing I don't like about Sony releases are their inconsistencies with metadata. They either put the wrong data in, or it is missing. But a lot of studios are guilty of this.

I think Fox has done a great job too but I like that Sony makes it a point to do new Atmos mixes whereas Fox is really stingy in this regard, even on bigger titles.

Fox doesn't even put Atmos tracks on their discs when such a track was already done and sitting in the can with no remix necessary, which pisses me off. Die Hard even had an Atmos track created and they ignored it. God help us when Disney gets their gloves on Fox's home video department.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

The only thing I don't like about Sony releases are their inconsistencies with metadata. They either put the wrong data in, or it is missing. But a lot of studios are guilty of this.

I think Fox has done a great job too but I like that Sony makes it a point to do new Atmos mixes whereas Fox is really stingy in this regard, even on bigger titles.

I like Fox including the original audio. Of course it would be nice to give people options so they can pick what they like, but if the money that would've gone into new audio is instead going into the video, then that's fine.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

I like Fox including the original audio. Of course it would be nice to give people options so they can pick what they like, but if the money that would've gone into new audio is instead going into the video, then that's fine.

To you. But I don't think their lack of a theatrical or remixed Atmos track option has anything to do with budgeting as even Lionsgate can remix in Atmos if they so choose.

[Noremac Mij]

I don’t think Sony discs look good at all. Raw scans with no tinkering? Lol! Sony discs have more processing than anything from any other major studio. They are over sharpened and over baked. To some this is eye candy, but that’s not what real film looks like. The Fifth Element is the single worst UHD I’ve ever seen.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Ever the contrarian.

[fighthefutureofhd]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

Fox is easily the most underrated studio on the format.

Die Hard, The Predator, and Predator 2, all look worthy of being compared to Sony’s catalog releases.

I would love to get both Heat and Speed from Fox this year.

But I think what does make Sony so great is, they give every title, new or old, the same treatment. That’s pretty impressive. The fact that a film like Air Force One looks substantially better than something like Grease or Jurassic Park, is absolutely insane.

If Fox passed on Speed and brought out Speed 2: Cruise Control I would s*** my pants.

[guile]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

I don’t think Sony discs look good at all. Raw scans with no tinkering? Lol! Sony discs have more processing than anything from any other major studio. They are over sharpened and over baked. To some this is eye candy, but that’s not what real film looks like. The Fifth Element is the single worst UHD I’ve ever seen.

[Alister_M]

Originally Posted by guile

But isn’t Heat a Warner release?

It was one of the Warner titles that was passed over to Fox a few years ago, the most recent director-approved BD was from Fox.

[Mierzwiak]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

God help us when Disney gets their gloves on Fox's home video department.

I hope it stays as it was. Just let them do what they were doing with Fox titles, and Disney can continue to mess with their own movies.

[aetherhole]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

I don’t think Sony discs look good at all. Raw scans with no tinkering? Lol! Sony discs have more processing than anything from any other major studio. They are over sharpened and over baked. To some this is eye candy, but that’s not what real film looks like. The Fifth Element is the single worst UHD I’ve ever seen.

The Fifth Element's sharpening was baked into the source. I'm assuming the detail and/or lack thereof is pretty faithfully reproduced on UHD.

Sony discs don't look good? You've seen Zero Dark Thirty, right? That's over processed and over sharpened?

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by aetherhole

The Fifth Element's sharpening was baked into the source. I'm assuming the detail and/or lack thereof is pretty faithfully reproduced on UHD.

Sony discs don't look good? You've seen Zero Dark Thirty, right? That's over processed and over sharpened?

Sharpening throughout like that baked into a 35mm negative or IP?

[aetherhole]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Sharpening throughout like that baked into a 35mm negative or IP?

It's been discussed ad nauseum what happened with the EE on The Fifth Element. Keep rollin' your eyes some more and maybe you'll actually find the information.

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by aetherhole

It's been discussed ad nauseum what happened with the EE on The Fifth Element. Keep rollin' your eyes some more and maybe you'll actually find the information.

Sony made it look like absolute schiit. That’s what happened. And I’m well aware of previous discussions.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Sony made it look like absolute schiit. That’s what happened. And I’m well aware of previous discussions.

There's no question The Fifth Element has some EE, but your insistence all Sony release do is what makes us roll our eyes.

[Bates_Motel]

Originally Posted by aetherhole

The Fifth Element's sharpening was baked into the source. I'm assuming the detail and/or lack thereof is pretty faithfully reproduced on UHD.

Sony discs don't look good? You've seen Zero Dark Thirty, right? That's over processed and over sharpened?

You realize you can’t “bake in” sharpening on a negative, right?

[notops]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Sony made it look like absolute schiit. That’s what happened. And I’m well aware of previous discussions.

Somehow I don't think you are aware of the previous discussion. Unless this is just more of your usual contrarian schtick. I eagerly await your 'eyeroll' response

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Bates_Motel

You realize you can’t “bake in” sharpening on a negative, right?

In a way they did because the sharpening comes from the early days of film scan outs of digital effects footage. Sony or the film's rights owners would have to go back and redo all the visual effects comping to get rid of the EE added to compensate for the drop in resolution from said transfer process of a computer screen image captured via a film camera to film negative

[aetherhole]

Originally Posted by Bates_Motel

You realize you can’t “bake in” sharpening on a negative, right?

"baked in the source" may not be the most accurate or technical, term, but the edge enhancement is consistently there through all of the different video mediums we've had. It's been discussed on this forum and other forums that this is not a problem with the transfer, the edge enhancement was likely a result of artificial sharpening somewhere post by the filmmakers (re: what I meant by source). The Techno-Opera scene is the easiest example to see it in.

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About the only one it's "less noticeable" in is the Gaumont version, which looks to me to have been softened overall. Regardless it's still there and I noticed it even back in the day of the Superbit DVD release.

It's just much more pronounced on UHD (Uglier), likely due both to the higher resolution and HDR bringing it out even more.

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

In a way they did because the sharpening comes from the early days of film scan outs of digital effects footage. Sony or the film's rights owners would have to go back and redo all the visual effects comping to get rid of the EE added to compensate for the drop in resolution from said transfer process of a computer screen image captured via a film camera to film negative

Nope. 35mm looks great. French Blu looks great. This is a very standard Sony job.