How much better will UHD look in a few years? - Blu-ray Forum

avs commenter · 02-12-2019, 05:26 PM

Will the same UHD blu ray released today, look a lot better in a few years, when displayed on a TV with full color gamut, and that can display nits close to the 4000 it was mastered in?
Or do you think the UHD content will look roughly the same as today with only minor improvements?

Fendergopher · 02-12-2019, 05:45 PM

The closer consumer TVs get to the specs of mastering monitors, the better UHD releases will look in general. Don't think this topic needs its own thread btw.

StingingVelvet · 02-12-2019, 06:05 PM

They'll look better on TVs that have to do less tone-mapping in the future, but I don't think it'll be a night and day difference compared to a good TV now. A Walmart TV? It's already a night and difference there.

Brian81 · 02-12-2019, 07:28 PM

Look at a good early BD vs a good modern BD. If those good early BDs were released today they would be considered mediocre. Same goes with every format prior. A decade from now, these early UHD presentations will be thoroughly mediocre in comparison to the newer releases. Just the way it is. Though I feel we are getting to the point where these early releases are just about "good enough".

avs commenter · 02-12-2019, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

They'll look better on TVs that have to do less tone-mapping in the future, but I don't think it'll be a night and day difference compared to a good TV now. A Walmart TV? It's already a night and difference there.

Tone-mapping was really my main question. In that if a TV is so powerful it doesn't need to tone map, would the picture look significantly better?

StingingVelvet · 02-12-2019, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by avs commenter

Tone-mapping was really my main question. In that if a TV is so powerful it doesn't need to tone map, would the picture look significantly better?

Depends on how good the tone-mapping was, but yes it should look better. However we are probably a looooong way from 4,000nit televisions.

Geoff D · 02-12-2019, 10:46 PM

A 4000-nit TV isn't going to blow everybody's socks off because the ever-higher amounts of that luminance are reserved for the very brightest spectral highlights, but then as Velvet says it's all relative. Someone coming from a pitiful portable picnic player will be floored, people who've already been enjoying high-nit performance, less so. But said TV will bring with it more colour volume, greater than P3 gamut coverage (nearer BT.2020 than not), better contrast etc than what we have now, so there will be an overall uptick in picture quality in general on such a display.

But - and I've said this before - I do think that some discs will get reappraised over time, as and when we get such things as a decent tone mapping ability for everyone and/or a TV that's so badass it won't need to map most content.

JohnAV · 02-12-2019, 10:55 PM

Eventually you also see 12 bit displays, similar to the best studio monitors, instead of todays 10 bit displays.

Geoff D · 02-12-2019, 11:03 PM

Eh, 12-bit is the least of the improvements IMO. Studio monitors aren't studio monitors just because they're 12-bit.

DJR662 · 02-13-2019, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

A 4000-nit TV isn't going to blow everybody's socks off because the ever-higher amounts of that luminance are reserved for the very brightest spectral highlights, but then as Velvet says it's all relative. Someone coming from a pitiful portable picnic player will be floored, people who've already been enjoying high-nit performance, less so. But said TV will bring with it more colour volume, greater than P3 gamut coverage (nearer BT.2020 than not), better contrast etc than what we have now, so there will be an overall uptick in picture quality in general on such a display.

Which is why I really would like a set that can do 4000 nits. That's where the real improvement lies I think instead of wider viewing angles, rollable TVs, integrated Atmos speakers, more "smart" related stuff or 8K.

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1452781186

I'll happily take that over any current TV available right now.

Geoff D · 02-13-2019, 12:12 AM

The nits are but a part of the equation. But a TV that did 8K rez, 4K nits, >P3 colour, and 1 million to one contrast would be one HELL of a specimen. Fingers crossed we get something like a dual-panel LCD to make that a reality, even if it doesn't reach that bright in practice I'd still take 2K+ nits plus everything else mentioned and proper internal dynamic HDR10 mapping as well as DV and HDR10+. So it only needs to be the perfect TV then to make me consider upgrading the ZD9, no pressure

gkolb · 02-13-2019, 02:15 AM

I think you just described an 8K micro-LED display.

02-12-2019, 05:26 PM	#1
avs commenter Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Apr 2018 Trading Score:8	How much better will UHD look in a few years? Will the same UHD blu ray released today, look a lot better in a few years, when displayed on a TV with full color gamut, and that can display nits close to the 4000 it was mastered in? Or do you think the UHD content will look roughly the same as today with only minor improvements?

02-12-2019, 05:45 PM	#2
Fendergopher Expert Member Top contributor Member since:Oct 2017 Location:Norway 4K collection:104 Blu-ray collection:150	The closer consumer TVs get to the specs of mastering monitors, the better UHD releases will look in general. Don't think this topic needs its own thread btw.

02-12-2019, 06:05 PM	#3
StingingVelvet Blu-ray Grand Duke Member since:Jan 2014 Location:Philadelphia, PA 4K collection:849 Blu-ray collection:2329 DVD collection:111 Digital collection:12 Trading Score:69	They'll look better on TVs that have to do less tone-mapping in the future, but I don't think it'll be a night and day difference compared to a good TV now. A Walmart TV? It's already a night and difference there.

02-12-2019, 07:28 PM	#4
Brian81 Blu-ray Champion Member since:Mar 2011 Trading Score:4	Look at a good early BD vs a good modern BD. If those good early BDs were released today they would be considered mediocre. Same goes with every format prior. A decade from now, these early UHD presentations will be thoroughly mediocre in comparison to the newer releases. Just the way it is. Though I feel we are getting to the point where these early releases are just about "good enough".

02-12-2019, 10:46 PM	#7
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1347 Blu-ray collection:2524 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	A 4000-nit TV isn't going to blow everybody's socks off because the ever-higher amounts of that luminance are reserved for the very brightest spectral highlights, but then as Velvet says it's all relative. Someone coming from a pitiful portable picnic player will be floored, people who've already been enjoying high-nit performance, less so. But said TV will bring with it more colour volume, greater than P3 gamut coverage (nearer BT.2020 than not), better contrast etc than what we have now, so there will be an overall uptick in picture quality in general on such a display. But - and I've said this before - I do think that some discs will get reappraised over time, as and when we get such things as a decent tone mapping ability for everyone and/or a TV that's so badass it won't need to map most content.

02-12-2019, 10:55 PM	#8
JohnAV Blu-ray Knight Member since:Sep 2009 Location:Silicon Valley - where you never run out of toys! 4K collection:322 Blu-ray collection:964 MA collection:80 Digital collection:243 Blu-ray reviews:31 Trading Score:2	Eventually you also see 12 bit displays, similar to the best studio monitors, instead of todays 10 bit displays.

02-12-2019, 11:03 PM	#9
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1347 Blu-ray collection:2524 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	Eh, 12-bit is the least of the improvements IMO. Studio monitors aren't studio monitors just because they're 12-bit.

02-13-2019, 12:12 AM	#11
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1347 Blu-ray collection:2524 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	The nits are but a part of the equation. But a TV that did 8K rez, 4K nits, >P3 colour, and 1 million to one contrast would be one HELL of a specimen. Fingers crossed we get something like a dual-panel LCD to make that a reality, even if it doesn't reach that bright in practice I'd still take 2K+ nits plus everything else mentioned and proper internal dynamic HDR10 mapping as well as DV and HDR10+. So it only needs to be the perfect TV then to make me consider upgrading the ZD9, no pressure

02-13-2019, 02:15 AM	#12
gkolb Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Feb 2012 Location:Bakersfield, CA 4K collection:977 Blu-ray collection:2939 DVD collection:273	I think you just described an 8K micro-LED display.

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