Biamping/biwiring questions

[graf1k]

Originally Posted by Audiophile_At_Birth

Depends on how many speakers your hooking up at this time and whether or not your going to use banana plugs on your AVR. It's going to be four banana plugs for each tower.

Well if he's bi-amping the fronts, wouldn't he need 8 banana plugs for each front tower, and then 4 plugs with each of the center, rear left and rear rights?

I'm a bit curious myself as I'm planning on bi-amping my fronts too.

[DBlackGT]

Originally Posted by s0nIc

ya cause the only diffrence between the monitor 11 and the 9s is the woofer ,So I am going with the 9s at least

Thats what the specs say, but thats not true. Call any Paradigm dealer and ask them if theres a difference in quality and sound? I bet you'll be surprised.

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by fireman325

I've always been under the impression that bi-amping really didn't do anything. However, for those of you who say differently, do you feel it makes a significant difference with music or HT or both? My system is almost exclusively used for HT and virtually no music. I'm gonna give it a try if you guys say it's beneficial for HT. Let me know what you think. I already have the cable for it.

Bi-amping and/or bi-wiring is a much debated point. Just like speaker wire/cable quality, a better grade of interconnect, spikes for floorstanding speakers and the like. It's an issue that will never get resolved, and that's ok. If a person feels it makes a difference, than I say do it! Make yourself happy and incorporate whatever changes you want to make to your system!

John

[Steve]

Originally Posted by John72953

Bi-amping and/or bi-wiring is a much debated point. Just like speaker wire/cable quality, a better grade of interconnect, spikes for floorstanding speakers and the like. It's an issue that will never get resolved, and that's ok. If a person feels it makes a difference, than I say do it! Make yourself happy and incorporate whatever changes you want to make to your system!

John

That's definitely the truth!! lol I've also always wondered, for the people who say it makes a difference, what if my center channel can't be bi-amped, but my mains can? That's my situation. For people who only bi-amp their mains, does it negatively affect the sound stage in any way since the center is not bi-amped? Again, I'm only talking about an HT application here.

[DBlackGT]

Originally Posted by fireman325

That's definitely the truth!! lol I've also always wondered, for the people who say it makes a difference, what if my center channel can't be bi-amped, but my mains can? That's my situation. For people who only bi-amp their mains, does it negatively affect the sound stage in any way since the center is not bi-amped? Again, I'm only talking about an HT application here.

I would say its more for 2 channel music listening. Thats where I noticed the biggest difference. Movies...uhhh not as much as music.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by DBlackGT

I would say its more for 2 channel music listening. Thats where I noticed the biggest difference. Movies...uhhh not as much as music.

That's what I was most curious about. I listen to very little music, and what I do listen to is usually for background noise. I don't do any "critical" listening. I'll probably still give it a try and see what I think though. Thanks for the help.

[mrpink134]

Well I just tried to bi amp my polk 70's with my yammy 663 and I will say that I think that it sounded better without the bi amp. the highs seem higher without the bi amp. Before anyone ask I changed the settings in the advance menu setting to bi amp, and I made sure that all was connected right and I took out the connectors for the speakers, front speaker wires to the bottom and the surround backs to the top. If anyone has advice please give maybe I did something wrong.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

Well I just tried to bi amp my polk 70's with my yammy 663 and I will say that I think that it sounded better without the bi amp. the highs seem higher without the bi amp. Before anyone ask I changed the settings in the advance menu setting to bi amp, and I made sure that all was connected right and I took out the connectors for the speakers, front speaker wires to the bottom and the surround backs to the top. If anyone has advice please give maybe I did something wrong.

From what I understand you're supposed to run the surround back channels to the bottom speaker connections, and the L/R channels to the top speaker connections. I don't have any idea how much real world difference it really makes though.

[DBlackGT]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

Well I just tried to bi amp my polk 70's with my yammy 663 and I will say that I think that it sounded better without the bi amp. the highs seem higher without the bi amp. Before anyone ask I changed the settings in the advance menu setting to bi amp, and I made sure that all was connected right and I took out the connectors for the speakers, front speaker wires to the bottom and the surround backs to the top. If anyone has advice please give maybe I did something wrong.

I think the front speakers are supposed to go to the highs. Check your manual though.

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by DBlackGT

I would say its more for 2 channel music listening. Thats where I noticed the biggest difference. Movies...uhhh not as much as music.

+1.

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by fireman325

From what I understand you're supposed to run the surround back channels to the bottom speaker connections, and the L/R channels to the top speaker connections. I don't have any idea how much real world difference it really makes though.

Originally Posted by nezff

like this

I did it this way. so I'm lost

If big daddy is around for advise, please give!!

[Steve]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

I did it this way. so I'm lost

If big daddy is around for advise, please give!!

Swap the upper and lower connections on the speaker. That's the way it's supposed to be as I understand it. If I understand Dblack correctly in his previous post, that's what he says. It's also the way the manual for my receiver says to do it. Of course your receiver's manual could say the exact opposite I guess.

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by fireman325

Swap the upper and lower connections on the speaker. That's the way it's supposed to be as I understand it. If I understand Dblack correctly in his previous post, that's what he says. It's also the way the manual for my receiver says to do it. Of course your receiver's manual could say the exact opposite I guess.

I'm not disagreeing or anything like that, but I am wondering about switching the wires around, whats the difference? Shouldn't it work right either way? I am asking because I don't know.

[saprano]

Originally Posted by Audiophile_At_Birth

And no you won't be over powering your center. Think of it like this. Before with a single connection, you were powering the whole tower. Highs, mids, lows...ect. Now all your doing is powering the highs and mids/lows seperately which will add seperation and clarity, not necessarily adding volume and wattage to your speaker.

I always thought biamping was adding those extra back channels watts to your mains.

[DBlackGT]

If I understand your picture correctly, it looks like the connector between the 2 terminals on the speaker is still there. Is it? If it is it needs to be taken off asap. Its not used when bi-amping. And yes for Onkyo's the fronts go into the Highs on the speaker terminal.

[DBlackGT]

This might be why you are not getting better sound. If it is removed and you have an Onkyo recevier make sure the fronts are going to the highs on the speakers.

I'm not disagreeing or anything like that, but I am wondering about switching the wires around, whats the difference? Shouldn't it work right either way? I am asking because I don't know.

And no it wouldnt be the same because one amp is responisble for the highs and the other amp is now responsible for the lows.

[Twitch9]

Bi-amping will make little to no difference, unless you use a separate amp for this. Save the money on extra cable and banana plugs and just hook it up the normal way. But if you do decide to bi-amp make sure you remove the jumper bars from your speakers or you will blow them.

[mrpink134]

jumpers have been removed. i switched them and Im not sure

[DBlackGT]

Originally Posted by Twitch9

Bi-amping will make little to no difference, unless you use a separate amp for this. Save the money on extra cable and banana plugs and just hook it up the normal way. But if you do decide to bi-amp make sure you remove the jumper bars from your speakers or you will blow them.

That's your opinion and thats fine. But to some it makes a noticable difference and not just to those with seperate amps.

Same can be said about power conditioners and do they make a difference in picture and sound? Its all in the eye of the beholder.

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

jumpers have been removed. i switched them and Im not sure

Listen to it for more than just an evening. Whenever you make a change like this you need to give it time. It may not be immidiately apparrent, but if the change is effective, you will hear it. Be patient.

John