Dynamic Compression Range and 24 FPS Doubts!!!

[NRIQ]

I own a Samsung BD-P1400 and there are two options on the set up menu that I, personally, don´t understand what kind of advantages does it bring to my movie watching experience...

One is the Dynamic Compression... Must it be turned ON or OFF? And why? What does it do?

And what about the 24 FPS option? Must it be turned ON or OFF? And why?

I have a Samsung LCD 32" full hd monitor and is connected through HDMI to my blu ray player... so... Can someone help me please???

Thanxsz

Nriq.
A Mexican Fan.

[ryoohki]

Originally Posted by NRIQ

I own a Samsung BD-P1400 and there are two options on the set up menu that I, personally, don´t understand what kind of advantages does it bring to my movie watching experience...

One is the Dynamic Compression... Must it be turned ON or OFF? And why? What does it do?

And what about the 24 FPS option? Must it be turned ON or OFF? And why?

I have a Samsung LCD 32" full hd monitor and is connected through HDMI to my blu ray player... so... Can someone help me please???

Thanxsz

Nriq.
A Mexican Fan.

DC is only used on DD and DD TrueHD track that are DECODE inside the player and outputted in PCM to you're receiver. If you are Bitstreaming it does nothing.

24fps should be ON only if you're display support it. look into you're owner manual.

[RiseDarthVader]

Doesn't Dynamic Range Compression screw up the sound? Your meant to only use it if you are watching a move late at night and don't want to wake the neighbours.

[Irrob]

Turn dynamic compression off! The word "compression" is most hated. Turn 24p on if your TV supports it. What model of Sammy do you have?

[bruss01]

What's with the hate for DC?

Personally I like it when I'm not leaning in, close, to hear a whisper, and suddenly an explosion goes off that shakes my entire city block. Some may think it's fun, or keep the volume so low that they miss the dialogue (after all it's boring and what fun is that) when they just want to have their sofa dancing around the room from the explosions, car chases, and great THUDS that movie sound editors think are "fun" to spring on the audience. When my wife is sitting two rooms away, and tells me to turn it down, when I can just make out the dialogue, then I call that "messed up".

[red_5ive]

Originally Posted by ryoohki

DC is only used on DD and DD TrueHD track that are DECODE inside the player and outputted in PCM to you're receiver. If you are Bitstreaming it does nothing.

24fps should be ON only if you're display support it. look into you're owner manual.

If you're bitstreaming you also have to disable DRC on the AVR/pre-pro.

[WriteSimply]

Originally Posted by bruss01

What's with the hate for DC?

It makes everything sounds as loud as the next scene?

Some may think it's fun, or keep the volume so low that they miss the dialogue (after all it's boring and what fun is that) when they just want to have their sofa dancing around the room from the explosions, car chases, and great THUDS that movie sound editors think are "fun" to spring on the audience.

That's the purpose of sound design and mixing: to draw you in and get you more involved. Just imagine horror flicks without the sudden jump cuts. It's the same issue. Another example: In real life your voice does not have the same dynamic range as a canon being fired.

Good directors, mixers and designers do not sacrifice dialog intelligibility for action. There are a few movies that have that but they are rare.

When my wife is sitting two rooms away, and tells me to turn it down, when I can just make out the dialogue, then I call that "messed up".

Well then that's just your "setup", which justifies your love for DRC.


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[NRIQ]

Originally Posted by Irrob

Turn 24p on if your TV supports it. What model of Sammy do you have?

Hi Irrob!

Thanxsz 4 your kind help! I have a Samsung Series 6 full hd 32"

Does it support the 24 fps?

Nriq
A Mexican Fan

[the_r]

Isn't there no benefit of having 24fps output unless you have a 120hz TV?

I thought I read that somewhere.

So even if your traditional 60hz LCD can accept 24fps source, there is no benefit or difference, because you can't do 60/24 evenly?

I could be wrong, but mathematically it seems to make sense.

[kingofgrills]

Originally Posted by WriteSimply

It makes everything sounds as loud as the next scene?

That's the purpose of sound design and mixing: to draw you in and get you more involved. Just imagine horror flicks without the sudden jump cuts. It's the same issue. Another example: In real life your voice does not have the same dynamic range as a canon being fired.

Good directors, mixers and designers do not sacrifice dialog intelligibility for action. There are a few movies that have that but they are rare.

Well then that's just your "setup", which justifies your love for DRC.


fuad

Yes, but here's my million dollar question on the subject: If Blu-ray film soundtracks are preserved, faithful copies of the studio masters, doesn't that mean they're mastered for a movie theater and not for home use? Both environments are very different spatially and accoustically. Plus, a 5.1 or 7.1 channel movie theater speaker array is very different than you'd find in any of our homes.

I'm definitely not saying DRC is the tool to equalize out the presentation between movie theater and home theater, but what, if anything, balances it out?

I apologize if this is seen as a threadjacking, because that was certainly not my intent. Writesimply's response about the sound design and mixing, which was good, prompted my question. Is this issue part of what DRC was meant to assist with?

For the record, I only use DRC (enabled through my receiver) when I'm trying not to wake my wife or son.

[WriteSimply]

Originally Posted by kingofgrills

Yes, but here's my million dollar question on the subject: If Blu-ray film soundtracks are preserved, faithful copies of the studio masters, doesn't that mean they're mastered for a movie theater and not for home use?

Yes they are. But that doesn't mean that it doesn't work for home, as BD titles already released have shown.

There are many DVDs, some done by Disney and New Line, that have remastered soundtracks for "near field" home theater use. However, they still have the same dynamic range as the original. There are even some BDs that are remastered for home; see releases that are in 7.1.

Both environments are very different spatially and accoustically. Plus, a 5.1 or 7.1 channel movie theater speaker array is very different than you'd find in any of our homes.

Most theaters do not have 7.1 discrete channels. Some have 6.1 based on Dolby Digital EX and DTS ES, which have a matrixed center back channel.

I'm definitely not saying DRC is the tool to equalize out the presentation between movie theater and home theater, but what, if anything, balances it out?

DRC is for home use or night time. That's it.

Is this issue part of what DRC was meant to assist with?

See above. It's not to compensate for the differences between theater and home.


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[red_5ive]

Originally Posted by kingofgrills

Yes, but here's my million dollar question on the subject: If Blu-ray film soundtracks are preserved, faithful copies of the studio masters, doesn't that mean they're mastered for a movie theater and not for home use? Both environments are very different spatially and accoustically. Plus, a 5.1 or 7.1 channel movie theater speaker array is very different than you'd find in any of our homes.

I'm definitely not saying DRC is the tool to equalize out the presentation between movie theater and home theater, but what, if anything, balances it out?

I apologize if this is seen as a threadjacking, because that was certainly not my intent. Writesimply's response about the sound design and mixing, which was good, prompted my question. Is this issue part of what DRC was meant to assist with?

For the record, I only use DRC (enabled through my receiver) when I'm trying not to wake my wife or son.

Since you use DRC, you should check out the upcoming Dolby Volume. I also use DRC for night watching, and I'm really looking forward to checking out Dolby Volume. I'm awaiting release of the Emotive UMC-1 prepro which will have this feature. So far it's looking like it'll be a nice feature, and the best thing about it is it can be employed on all codecs, not just DD 5.1, DTHD, DD+ like the existing Dolby DRC. From what I've read it'll also be able to level off volume boosted commercials so you don't get blasted by annoying intermissions.

[Scorxpion]

Originally Posted by NRIQ

Hi Irrob!

Thanxsz 4 your kind help! I have a Samsung Series 6 full hd 32"

Does it support the 24 fps?

Nriq
A Mexican Fan

Yes it does support it .Its a series six so turned it on .My Brother have the same LCD as yours.You can see 1920*1080@24HZ when you press info on your remote control