What has HD DVD got left up their sleeves..? - Blu-ray Forum

Smackos · 08-16-2007, 03:29 AM

Ok, so this has probably been talked about on and off now for the last 6 months but I'm interested to know from the people on this forum what they think realistically and factually based HD DVD has left to throw at Blu-ray this year and next.

From what I can make out film wise they've not really got a whole lot left in the pot so to speak. I know there's some good back catalogue movies they could bring out but no more so than the likes of Fox and co but generally Back catalogue titles don't entice people to buy into a new format(my opinion only) anywhere near what new titles do. As example I wonder how many Playstation 3 owners out there bought there first Blu-ray because of Casino Royale or now 300, huge block-buster films that people will stand up and take notice of. Evan Almighty? Bourne Ultimatum? Knocked up? From my own point of view for last quarter there's only Bourne Ultimatum that could really tempt people into buying HD DVD.

I also can't see how Toshiba even with a major drop in price will be able to compete with the volume of new Playstation 3 owners out there gained this christmas. Even if they only buy the odd film on the format the sheer numbers dictate that they'll further widen the gap to 3 to 1 by next year come the next big films hitting the format that'll persuade them to dip they're toes into the calm Blu-Ocean for the first time..

What do you guys and gals think?

matthewrounds · 08-16-2007, 03:46 AM

1. XBOX 720 with an HD-DVD drive

2. More Universal catalog titles

3. Another price reduction, say $99 after mail in rebate of $100. Nobody ever turns those in anyway right

Lord_Stewie · 08-16-2007, 03:58 AM

honestly, the situation with HDDVD is going no where. I mean yes they have Universal as their exclusive studio, but face it it is one guy picking the fight against many. Warner bros is neutral but they had better sales on BD for their releases like the departed, and 300 for ex. paramount will be taking advantage of BD'S storage capacity, they will be releasing more compared to HDDVD, and it will start with face off. not counting Sony, Disney, and Fox being exclusive studios in favor of Blu-ray VS. Universal. Its true fox haven't released anything because of BD+, but once they start, the format war is over. Even microsoft who is exclusively supporting HDDVD, isn't sure about it, which is why the elite didn't come out with built in HDDVD player.

bottom line the technology is going nowhere. there is nothing they can do, but embarress themselves and keep on going.

WickyWoo · 08-16-2007, 04:20 AM

Black Friday, especially since they know Wal-Mart is going to spit out all those Chinese Blu players for Black Friday, will drop their decks $100 again, and extend their 5 free giveaway combined with in-store discounts and/or freebies, plus combo pack it with Toshiba TVs (buy LCD, get free HD player)

Blu will counter with a similar strategy, and it'll come down to the titles. Uni has Battlestar Blasphemy and the Bourne Trilogy (Heroes will have fizzled on sales by then too much to be a major factor)

Blue has Pirates Trilogy, Lost, and assuming Fox comes back, Die Hard Quadrilogy, Fantastic 4, 2 Spidey Trilogy, Pixar 3-pack, Santa Clause 3 (it's a big seller, don't ask me why)

And that's just the exclusives. Suffice to say Blu will surround their decks and TVs with "You can't get this on Red", and that will be the end of that

supersix4 · 08-16-2007, 05:00 AM

god I couldnt stand a new 360 lol if microsoft has learned anything from there hdud add on its not to put one of those in a new system

w_tanoto · 08-16-2007, 06:21 AM

a desperado attack to BDA, but not even enough to shake BD let alone destroy it.

gand41f · 08-16-2007, 10:39 AM

I thought pr0n was going to win it for HD DVD.

enjoy
gandalf

Gamma_Winstead · 08-16-2007, 04:43 PM

If Hd dvd were smart they might try to get Transformers to be exclusive... Or would it be a Blu exclusive? Who made it?

dialog_gvf · 08-16-2007, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gamma626

If Hd dvd were smart they might try to get Transformers to be exclusive... Or would it be a Blu exclusive? Who made it?

Paramount will release it.

No worries there, they seem to now be BD leaning. Having walked away from the VC-1 koolaid table and using AVC on both formats, and are now providing proper lossless audio (although not on all HD DVD - e.g. Blades of Glory)

If not BD leaning, at least BD enthusiast mentality (AVC + lossless).

Gary

statikcat · 08-16-2007, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matthewrounds

1. XBOX 720 with an HD-DVD drive

Easily possible.. but assuming it is not enough to really aid in winning the war it only makes them loose or make less money on Xbox360 sales. I don't think it will happen.

MatrixS2000 · 08-16-2007, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

(AVC + lossless).

Which are the 2 most important items for me when buying movies. (MPEG2 and VC-1 are also ok, so long as high bit rates are used).

dialog_gvf · 08-16-2007, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MatrixS2000

Which are the 2 most important items for me when buying movies. (MPEG2 and VC-1 are also ok, so long as high bit rates are used).

Absolutely. Nothing wrong with either, given sufficient bandwidth. But, I think we all can agree that the best results we are seeing right now are coming from AVC.

gandley · 08-16-2007, 08:33 PM

the answer is Bullshit. thats all they have left.

gvortex7 · 08-17-2007, 04:20 AM

All that's left for Toshiba to do is to offer their 3rd generation entry level player right around the upcoming holiday season for $199.99 with 10 free HD DVD's. That's basically giving their hardware away.

WickyWoo · 08-17-2007, 04:58 AM

Quote:

the answer is Bullshit. thats all they have left.

Paramount who owns Showtime is neutral, at least for the moment so it would come to both

Rob Zuber · 08-17-2007, 05:03 AM

What has HD DVD got left up their sleeves..?

$49 players with spectacular 480p resolution and high-fidelity stereo sound.

warhawk21114 · 08-18-2007, 10:08 PM

M$ being cratfy, they are always a crafty group. They can suprise you but I think this time they can get a black eye if the cards are played right. In this enviroment, there are too many powerful pro blu-ray companies to muscle out of the way.

Zyclone · 08-21-2007, 01:36 PM

paramount pictures ZING!

dialog_gvf · 08-21-2007, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Paramount will release it.

No worries there, they seem to now be BD leaning. Having walked away from the VC-1 koolaid table and using AVC on both formats, and are now providing proper lossless audio (although not on all HD DVD - e.g. Blades of Glory)

If not BD leaning, at least BD enthusiast mentality (AVC + lossless).

Gary

Boy, you are one big idiot my friend.

I guess recent events answer the OP.

Smackos · 08-21-2007, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zyclone

paramount pictures ZING!

Lol... I was waiting for someone to put that...

In a way thats the answer to my first post. I could see the writing on the wall for them and really did wonder what the hell they had left in the tank. One bit of bad news after another and there was no sign of anything from them in return. Still I say again... lol... what has HD DVD got left up they're sleves..

Siging Paramount up for HD DVD is like papering over the cracks in your house when it's on fire.. new sig I think..

08-16-2007, 03:29 AM	#1
Smackos Senior Member Member since:Jun 2007 Blu-ray collection:149 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:8	What has HD DVD got left up their sleeves..? Ok, so this has probably been talked about on and off now for the last 6 months but I'm interested to know from the people on this forum what they think realistically and factually based HD DVD has left to throw at Blu-ray this year and next. From what I can make out film wise they've not really got a whole lot left in the pot so to speak. I know there's some good back catalogue movies they could bring out but no more so than the likes of Fox and co but generally Back catalogue titles don't entice people to buy into a new format(my opinion only) anywhere near what new titles do. As example I wonder how many Playstation 3 owners out there bought there first Blu-ray because of Casino Royale or now 300, huge block-buster films that people will stand up and take notice of. Evan Almighty? Bourne Ultimatum? Knocked up? From my own point of view for last quarter there's only Bourne Ultimatum that could really tempt people into buying HD DVD. I also can't see how Toshiba even with a major drop in price will be able to compete with the volume of new Playstation 3 owners out there gained this christmas. Even if they only buy the odd film on the format the sheer numbers dictate that they'll further widen the gap to 3 to 1 by next year come the next big films hitting the format that'll persuade them to dip they're toes into the calm Blu-Ocean for the first time.. What do you guys and gals think?

08-21-2007, 01:36 PM	#18
Zyclone Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Somewhere over the rainbow Home Theater Gallery:3 Blu-ray collection:304	Zing paramount pictures ZING!

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08-16-2007, 03:46 AM	#2
matthewrounds Expert Member Member since:Apr 2007 Location:Tucson, AZ Home Theater Gallery:19 Blu-ray collection:52 Trading Score:21	1. XBOX 720 with an HD-DVD drive 2. More Universal catalog titles 3. Another price reduction, say $99 after mail in rebate of $100. Nobody ever turns those in anyway right

08-16-2007, 03:58 AM	#3
Lord_Stewie Blu-ray Baron Member since:May 2007 Blu-ray collection:396 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:1	honestly, the situation with HDDVD is going no where. I mean yes they have Universal as their exclusive studio, but face it it is one guy picking the fight against many. Warner bros is neutral but they had better sales on BD for their releases like the departed, and 300 for ex. paramount will be taking advantage of BD'S storage capacity, they will be releasing more compared to HDDVD, and it will start with face off. not counting Sony, Disney, and Fox being exclusive studios in favor of Blu-ray VS. Universal. Its true fox haven't released anything because of BD+, but once they start, the format war is over. Even microsoft who is exclusively supporting HDDVD, isn't sure about it, which is why the elite didn't come out with built in HDDVD player. bottom line the technology is going nowhere. there is nothing they can do, but embarress themselves and keep on going.

08-16-2007, 04:20 AM	#4
WickyWoo Blu-ray Champion Member since:May 2007 Trading Score:2	Black Friday, especially since they know Wal-Mart is going to spit out all those Chinese Blu players for Black Friday, will drop their decks $100 again, and extend their 5 free giveaway combined with in-store discounts and/or freebies, plus combo pack it with Toshiba TVs (buy LCD, get free HD player) Blu will counter with a similar strategy, and it'll come down to the titles. Uni has Battlestar Blasphemy and the Bourne Trilogy (Heroes will have fizzled on sales by then too much to be a major factor) Blue has Pirates Trilogy, Lost, and assuming Fox comes back, Die Hard Quadrilogy, Fantastic 4, 2 Spidey Trilogy, Pixar 3-pack, Santa Clause 3 (it's a big seller, don't ask me why) And that's just the exclusives. Suffice to say Blu will surround their decks and TVs with "You can't get this on Red", and that will be the end of that

08-16-2007, 05:00 AM	#5
supersix4 Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Mar 2007 Blu-ray collection:572 Blu-ray reviews: 53 Trading Score:3	god I couldnt stand a new 360 lol if microsoft has learned anything from there hdud add on its not to put one of those in a new system

08-16-2007, 06:21 AM	#6
w_tanoto Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Hatfield, UK / Jakarta, Indonesia Blu-ray collection:37 Blu-ray reviews:47	a desperado attack to BDA, but not even enough to shake BD let alone destroy it.

08-16-2007, 10:39 AM	#7
gand41f Special Member Member since:May 2007 Location:San Jose, California	I thought pr0n was going to win it for HD DVD. enjoy gandalf

08-16-2007, 04:43 PM	#8
Gamma_Winstead Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Location:U.S.G. Ishimura 4K collection:118 Blu-ray collection:764 Blu-ray reviews: 36 Trading Score:6	If Hd dvd were smart they might try to get Transformers to be exclusive... Or would it be a Blu exclusive? Who made it?

08-16-2007, 08:33 PM	#13
gandley Special Member Member since:Feb 2007 Location:The Drowning Pool	the answer is Bullshit. thats all they have left.

08-17-2007, 04:20 AM	#14
gvortex7 Blu-ray Champion Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Fort Lauderdale, FL Blu-ray reviews: 18 Trading Score:105	All that's left for Toshiba to do is to offer their 3rd generation entry level player right around the upcoming holiday season for $199.99 with 10 free HD DVD's. That's basically giving their hardware away.

08-17-2007, 05:03 AM	#16
Rob Zuber Active Member Member since:Aug 2007	What has HD DVD got left up their sleeves..? $49 players with spectacular 480p resolution and high-fidelity stereo sound.

08-18-2007, 10:08 PM	#17
warhawk21114 Active Member Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Maryland Blu-ray collection:4	M$ being cratfy, they are always a crafty group. They can suprise you but I think this time they can get a black eye if the cards are played right. In this enviroment, there are too many powerful pro blu-ray companies to muscle out of the way.

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