Oldboy 4K UHD (2003)

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Synchg

i get what you were saying the entire time but i just don't buy it.
as you said yourself, this movie came out in 2003, not even 20 years old.
so why is the dupe footage this severe in quality drop? wouldn't at the very least, the level of grain be consistent or heavier? because it's non-existent with the optical shots.

loss of color and detail, i understand. but the brightness levels are unforgivable and felt like an easy fix to me, which leads me to believe THOSE were sourced from something other than the OCN as stated in the press release.
i'm pretty sure my suspicious will be proven correct.

anyways
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0364569...ef_=tt_dt_spec

okay mr, i never seen this movie before prior to UHD release, but i iz expert on all these oldboys

https://shotonwhat.com/oldeuboi-2003

Okay, I'll try it one more time: when they do effects, opticals, whatever, then by definition IT'S NO LONGER THE ORIGINAL NEGATIVE, unless you think they do VFX in camera? No. It becomes a copy of a copy of a copy. So whenever you see something that says it was done from "the original camera negative" don't take it to literally mean every single frame of the film because that transfer will *also* include these bits that are a copy of a copy of a copy. They don't tell you that, and that's fine you don't know that, but it's actually what happens. Some studios have taken to digitally rebuilding things like titles, Universal and Paramount and StudioCanal in particular, but even then they usually end up using a clean dupe rather than the OG negative.

Thank you for the info on what Oldboy was finished on, I'd have thought it was way too early for a DI on a non-American feature but obviously I'm mistaken and the technology was more widespread. But, funnily enough, you actually now have your answer: all those bits you're moaning about were most likely lifted directly from the DI - it being an early one, so it wasn't amazing - while they transferred everything without VFX etc from the "original camera negative" hence the obvious visual disparity between 2003 tech vs 2019 tech. There's no conspiracy here, guy.

If anything it's very unusual that a movie finished to a DI gets a 4K rebuild from the OG negative at all, I'm surprised there wasn't way more more hoopla about it on Oldboy as it's practically unheard of outside of Sony having done it on a few movies e.g. Hellboy, Talladega Nights, Bad Boys II. And guess what? Sony ALSO upscale the titles, VFX etc from the 2K masters when doing these 4K rebuilds, it's just easier. In fact, if you go into the Bad Boys II thread you'll find someone else going off on one because they thought the whole movie was an upscale (not that you did, I'm just making a point). Why? Because the end credits look like junk compared to the rest of it...having been upscaled from the 2003 DI.

[Filmmaker]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

when they do effects, opticals, whatever, then by definition IT'S NO LONGER THE ORIGINAL NEGATIVE, unless you think they do VFX in camera? No. It becomes a copy of a copy of a copy.

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the stage...The Nine Inch Nails!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVB_...ature=youtu.be

[professorwho]

Sorry to interject on this great debate, but if one has either the Canadian Vengeance Trilogy set, or the excellent Arrow release (I have the latter), I highly suggest watching the behind the scenes videos on the CG and compositing of the film. Once I saw what was CG via those videos, I can never not watch the film and not think, "yeah, that's CG." For 2003 it's quite good, but even on the 1080p Arrow disc, those shots stand out like a sour thumb.

In addition, the commentaries with Park Chan Wook are very informative, and goes into greater detail on the look of the film (including the bleach bypass technique heavily used in late 90s and early 2000s films- outside of Oldboy, probably the most well known example is Fincher's Seven).

[Mosley likes BFDI]

Arrow Video should bring this movie onto 4K Blu-ray soon.

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by Mosley likes BFDI

Arrow Video should bring this movie onto 4K Blu-ray soon.

I watched the first 30 minutes or so in iTunes (4K / Dolby Vision). It looks great in parts but some scenes looked looks hazy and soft due to optics.Tiny white specks can be seen in few scenes. There is some weird banding on actors faces in couple of scenes. I need to watch the Arrow Blu-ray to see if it looks any different which I doubt it will.

[AJAX]

Just to get your opinions. The steel book is going for around $50. I am in the US without a region-free player, so I cannot get the Arrow BD. Do you think I should go ahead and buy the 4K steel book or do you guys suspect Arrow will soon release it in 4K?

[DaveFi]

Originally Posted by papamarg

Capelight were selling just the standalone UHD disc in a paper sleeve for 10 euro plus delivery.

Where? They still doing this?

[nnnon]

https://shop.capelight.de/gesamtkata...appstecktasche

Sold out, as it seems.

[Ben_C]

Originally Posted by Mosley likes BFDI

Arrow Video should bring this movie onto 4K Blu-ray soon.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=333509

[Viking61]

Oldboy

https://bluray-disc.de/blu-ray-filme...ectors_edition


Lady Vengeance

https://bluray-disc.de/blu-ray-filme...uhd_bluray_dvd


Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance

https://bluray-disc.de/blu-ray-filme...uhd_bluray_dvd


All three planned for release in April in Germany.

[BluProofie]

Originally Posted by professorwho

Sorry to interject on this great debate, but if one has either the Canadian Vengeance Trilogy set, or the excellent Arrow release (I have the latter), I highly suggest watching the behind the scenes videos on the CG and compositing of the film. Once I saw what was CG via those videos, I can never not watch the film and not think, "yeah, that's CG." For 2003 it's quite good, but even on the 1080p Arrow disc, those shots stand out like a sour thumb.

In addition, the commentaries with Park Chan Wook are very informative, and goes into greater detail on the look of the film (including the bleach bypass technique heavily used in late 90s and early 2000s films- outside of Oldboy, probably the most well known example is Fincher's Seven).

The CG knife in the back was always obvious to me.

[andreasy969]

Originally Posted by Viking61

[Show spoiler] Oldboy

https://bluray-disc.de/blu-ray-filme...ectors_edition


Lady Vengeance

https://bluray-disc.de/blu-ray-filme...uhd_bluray_dvd


Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance

https://bluray-disc.de/blu-ray-filme...uhd_bluray_dvd

All three planned for release in April in Germany.

I don't think, I'll be buying Capelight UHDs anymore, except for maybe new movies. Truth is, if they have a good catalogue 4K master, someone else will do it better/with proper encoding, and if they have their own thing, it will be some form of botch job (which might still be better than the BD, but still a botch job).

I'll stand corrected.

[Geoff D]

Couldn't agree more.

[DAT_JB]

Originally Posted by andreasy969

I don't think, I'll be buying Capelight UHDs anymore, except for maybe new movies. Truth is, if they have a good catalogue 4K master, someone else will do it better/with proper encoding, and if they have their own thing, it will be some form of botch job (which might still be better than the BD, but still a botch job).

I'll stand corrected.

Let's hope Arrow will do Lady and Sympathy in 4K too.

[ko8ebryant24]

Midnight Factory UHD BL/BL+FEL vs Capelight UHD HDR10 vs Arrow UHD HDR10

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=2024