Inside Man- Audio issue

[jw]

Originally Posted by DigitalfreakNYC

CORRECTION:
It's not the whole movie! I just re-watched parts of it and tried to pinpoint when it goes out. It seems like it's in the middle of chapter 15, about 1 hour and 32 minutes into the movie. The channel is dead. I had my head right up to the speaker. Music is going in and out of every other channel, including the surround left. It's dead quiet and remains that way for the rest of the movie.

A good check is the music in the closing credits. It's blaring in all speakers but the surround right.

Just making sure everyone saw this, the problem doesnt occur until 1 hr and 33 mins into the movie
I plan on getting it anyways, not a big enough problem and I know if its an issue Universal will make it right, They have with other films in the past

[Brad1963]

How could something this major pass both thie websites reviewer and DVD Beaver? Both seem to think the sound is exceptional.

[Gremal]

Originally Posted by Brad1963

How could something this major pass both thie websites reviewer and DVD Beaver? Both seem to think the sound is exceptional.

Because the sound IS exceptional and the problem IS NOT major. If professional reviewers missed it you can bet most of you would too.

[jw]

plus the issue doesnt start until 1hr 33 mins into the film

[Sussudio]

well, i'm still not canceling my pre-order. if it's a big an issue as some people on here are making it out to be, i assume Universal will correct it.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by jwbbud

plus the issue doesnt start until 1hr 33 mins into the film

I think that would bother me even more because I will have spent 90 minutes "used to it" and then it changes. True, I am speculating, but I even notice clumsy panning effects, so I am pretty sure its going to bug me.

[FilmmakingFiasco]

Many reviewers don't watch the film all the way through and choose select scenes to test audio and video. The can be especially be the case when someone has seen the film theatrically so they don't need to watch the film all the way through.

Now, not all reviewers do this but when it's you and maybe one or two other people, when you're rushed for a review, you may miss certain things.

[Todd Smith]

DigitalFreakNYC.....Thanks so much for the info! I am definately holding off on a purchase until we get word of a fix.......that is ~25% of the film that is missing a whole channel of audio!!!! MAJOR issue I am sure they will correct it though.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

A dead channel for over 30 minutes (the films climax) is not a reason to hold off? It surely must have a horribly unbalanced "feel". And after 90 minutes of surround, the loss of the channel must feel jarring.

I will error on the side of caution and wait for more info before buying.

+100

I dont see how anyone could consider this a minor issue.....

[jw]

Please discuss the issue at hand. You are free to discuss this amicably however we wont allow anyone to insult other members.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by Gremal

I'd call it a minor defect, and have you even heard the audio performance of this BD or are you just grabbing a pitchfork and torch and knocking on doors?

Let cooler heads prevail.

A defect is a defect and "minor" is your opinion in all due respect. This is a major issue IMO and I surely wont be buying until a fix has been reported to be in the works. Who in their right mind would buy this if you care at all about audio? A flawed channel of audio for ~25% of the film is certainly NOT a minor issue IMO and this needs to be fixed.

[Gremal]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

A defect is a defect and "minor" is your opinion in all due respect. This is a major issue IMO and I surely wont be buying until a fix has been reported to be in the works. Who in their right mind would buy this if you care at all about audio? A flawed channel of audio for ~25% of the film is certainly NOT a minor issue IMO and this needs to be fixed.

If you haven't watched/heard the BD, then your comments on how big of an issue it is are purely guesswork.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by Gremal

If you haven't watched/heard the BD, then your comments on how big of an issue it is are purely guesswork.

A quote from the review here on this site...........I assume you reviewed this?


"This is a serious issue that weights the surround effects toward the left side"

That is all I need to hear to keep me from a purchase, thanks Any disc that has a "serious issue" is not worth a purchase until the issue gets resolved. These discs are NOT cheap.

Also, I have talked enough with DigitalfreakNYC here and on AVS to know he is a reputable and good guy......if he says there is an issue, I will take his word for it.

Unfortunate, but I bet some sort of anouncement will be made as to a fix at some point soon hopefuly. I want to buy this, but absolutely will not shell out my hard earned cash for a flawed audio mix that is noticably flawed.

People can rent this disc and decide for themselves how serious this issue is, but I would certainly advise that route over a purchase until a fix is announced since the vast majority of audio enthusiasts would consider a "serious issue" as far as the mix is concerned a good reason to NOT purchase a title.

[Gremal]

Your choice. You are missing out on a Blu-ray with brilliant picture, reference quality sound for most scenes and of course phenomenal acting performances by Denzel and Clive.

As for digitalfreakNY, he didn't even seem to notice that the rear right channel was flawless for the first 133 minutes of the film until he went back and double-checked, so you might factor that into your opinions.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by Gremal

Your choice. You are missing out on a Blu-ray with brilliant picture, reference quality sound for most scenes and of course phenomenal acting performances by Denzel and Clive.

As for digitalfreakNY, he didn't even seem to notice that the rear right channel was flawless for the first 133 minutes of the film until he went back and double-checked, so you might factor that into your opinions.

I can rent it if the right thing is not done by the studio as far as a fix, so no I am not going to miss out, but I will save some money by not purchasing a flawed disc. You yourself said that this is a "serious issue" (assuming you did the review here on br.com....is that your review?).

As far as your comment on DFNYC, I dont see the point. The disc has a serious issue and it is well known at this point......why would I want to purchase a disc with a "serious issue"? Knowing this issue is there, I would certainly be listening for it and surely will be able to notice it considering that.

For some, this may not be a big deal, but just knowing that this sound mix is not all that it could and should be is PLENTY reason to not buy it. I hope the studio will do the right thing and fix this disc.

[Mr.White]

I dont have the Inside Man Blu. But I do have a problem with the sound on my Led Zeppelin The Song Remains The Same Blu,not just channel but a complete drop out during the drum solo on Moby Dick,I've got the first pressing of the Blu before it was pulled of the shelves and was later re-issued again,I never got the newer one,I wonder if Warner corrected it!

[Gremal]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

For some, this may not be a big deal, but just knowing that this sound mix is not all that it could and should be is PLENTY reason to not buy it. I hope the studio will do the right thing and fix this disc.

Few multichannel mixes are all they could and should be. If you only add perfect titles to your collection, you are going to have an awfully small library. No matter how you slice it, Inside Man is a worthy addition. If the studio can fix it, perfect. If not, I can still recommend it.

And yes, I call it a serious issue, but there's no point in taking my quote out of context. I still find the audio to be 4.5 overall and I can't say that about a lot of titles.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by Gremal

Few multichannel mixes are all they could and should be. If you only add perfect titles to your collection, you are going to have an awfully small library. No matter how you slice it, Inside Man is a worthy addition. If the studio can fix it, perfect. If not, I can still recommend it.

And yes, I call it a serious issue, but there's no point in taking my quote out of context. I still find the audio to be 4.5 overall and I can't say that about a lot of titles.

When I say all this mix could and should be, I am talking about free of general flaws and "serious issues" caused by the mixing team (which I think you understood what I meant when I said that). I know that is not too much to ask.

I simply dont understand how you say a disc has a "serious issue", but can still recommend a buy As a reviewer, I would think you would encourage people to rent and decide for themselves considering this is a "serious issue". Its your reputation though.

Also, there has been some confirmation that the HD-DVD does NOT have this issue, so clearly there was a mistake in the BR mixing process and it should be fixed. I dont understand why this issue is trying to be downplayed. A mistake is a mistake and it sould be fixed, period.

Again, we are talking about ~25% of the film.............

[jw]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

When I say all this mix could and should be, I am talking about free of general flaws and "serious issues" caused by the mixing team (which I think you understood what I meant when I said that). I know that is not too much to ask.

I simply dont understand how you say a disc has a "serious issue", but can still recommend a buy As a reviewer, I would think you would encourage people to rent and decide for themselves considering this is a "serious issue".

Also, there has been some confirmation that the HD-DVD does NOT have this issue, so clearly there was a mistake in the BR mixing process and it should be fixed.

You are beating the same point over an over, The reviewer has taken this stance and is firmly behind it. Its his final words of advice and thats all it is. Some agree, others will disagree I recommend we give this a viewing to establish the severity of the audio issue. Universal has always offered a solid product in the audio department and i dont look for any different here. They also have shown in the past that they do stand behind what they produce and will remedy the situation if needed

After viewing, feel free to contact to Universal and make them aware of the problem and your thoughts on it.

btw- I am not an audio nut in the sense of the words so I am probably the minority here

[Gremal]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

When I say all this mix could and should be, I am talking about free of general flaws and "serious issues" caused by the mixing team (which I think you understood what I meant when I said that). I know that is not too much to ask.

So you would sooner pass over a title with a problem in the right surround channel that lasts only the final part of the movie compared with more noticeable audio problems affecting all channels of other BDs.

I simply dont understand how you say a disc has a "serious issue", but can still recommend a buy

What's not to understand? I've explained it repeatedly. I'm putting the problem in perspective.

As a reviewer, I would think you would encourage people to rent and decide for themselves considering this is a "serious issue".

Why second guess my recommendation without even feasting your ears and eyes on the BD? I'm perfectly capable of putting my feet in the shoes of average BD consumers and I'm perfectly confident in my description of the audio performance as reference level with an acknowledgment of the problem.

Its your reputation though.

Likewise it's your reputation. You have made a decision about a BD without having heard or seen it.

Also, there has been some confirmation that the HD-DVD does NOT have this issue, so clearly there was a mistake in the BR mixing process and it should be fixed. I dont understand why this issue is trying to be downplayed. A mistake is a mistake and it sould be fixed, period.

I can only comment on the disc as-is. I am not interested in downplaying the problem, but I am also not interested in getting on a bandwagon that throws out the baby with the bathwater and makes a mountain of a molehill. I hope it gets fixed, obviously. But even if it doesn't, I strongly recommend it for the reasons I have stated repeatedly.