Apple cant hang with Microsoft?

[Zvi]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

Software = OS

Really? Just OS? Anything else comes to your mind?

Originally Posted by jadedeath

Hardware = computers

Designed to run software, which MS produces, and FYI, MS produces software for Macs too. Quite a bit of it. Which Apple very often fails to mention. Take a guess, who wrote office for Mac? Remote desktop for Mac to Windows connectivity?

Originally Posted by jadedeath

Which is why Apple stuff is for folks who want quality rather than quantity.

And who like you, don't really understand much about neither hardware, nor software, believe in myths about "nearly immune OS" and other BS from Apple And ready to shell out twice the money for the same stuff. All that aside, just that comment alone makes explains perfectly why a lot of folks think apple fans, at least a lot of them are way too smug.

Originally Posted by jadedeath

order to either a} upgrade them constantly or b} repair them constantly.

Upgrading Apple OS is more expensive. Especially given Apple's smuggy stance(with which you agree) on backwards compatibility. That is forcing the users to replace 3 year old hardware because... So, in what world all that is cheaper or more user friendly I dunno, besides Apple zealot land of course.

Originally Posted by jadedeath

Not if you're using logic,

Which you clearly are not.

Originally Posted by jadedeath

Yes, but you see, in that Apple is OBEYING THE LAW, because they don't actually NAME the opposing product in their ads.

As an added bonus they don't have to resort to bribery in order to get people to pick up their products.

No, Apple resorts to lies about both, their own product capabilities, and competitors product as well.

Originally Posted by jadedeath

selling your OS to any prostitute that wants a piece of you.

Jeeezzzz. What is wrong with U anyway? In a discussion about piracy and copyright you had to bring up child molesters and rapists repeatedly... In a discussion about software and hardware you being up prostitutes.
So, what does Apple do, check every buyer's criminal record?

P.S. So, did you figure out what was "parroted" by Vista or not yet?

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by Zvi

Really? Just OS? Anything else comes to your mind?

Do pay attention to the conversation, I'm sure it's hard to keep up what with your lack of reading comprehension and all, but we're discussing Microsoft and Operating systems.

Designed to run software, which MS produces, and FYI, MS produces software for Macs too. Quite a bit of it. Which Apple very often fails to mention. Take a guess, who wrote office for Mac? Remote desktop for Mac to Windows connectivity?

I know, I use Office for Mac quite extensively.

What's your point?

And who like you, don't really understand much about neither hardware, nor software, believe in myths about "nearly immune OS" and other BS from Apple And ready to shell out twice the money for the same stuff. All that aside, just that comment alone makes explains perfectly why a lot of folks think apple fans, at least a lot of them are way too smug.

Actually, I shelled out about the same amount of money for the same stuff, deals ARE out there if you know where to find them.

That and, I needed something that ran Final Cut Pro for Video Editing.

Upgrading Apple OS is more expensive. Especially given Apple's smuggy stance(with which you agree) on backwards compatibility. That is forcing the users to replace 3 year old hardware because... So, in what world all that is cheaper or more user friendly I dunno, besides Apple zealot land of course.

I don't own anything that's even remotely close to 3 years old. And if I did, I have a 3 year old Toshiba Satellite {you know, the one's with the massive battery issues?} that I can plug older hardware into.

Which you clearly are not.

Opinions are like *******s, there's plenty of both around here.

I also note that you didn't get around to answering Toefer's question...

No, Apple resorts to lies about both, their own product capabilities, and competitors product as well.

Yes, but even if that's true, they don't specifically mention the NAME of the competition in their ads.

So far as I know that was against the law.

So, what does Apple do, check every buyer's criminal record?

I'm going to ignore the flamebait from the PC fanboy, and no, so far as I know they don't.

P.S. So, did you figure out what was "parroted" by Vista or not yet?

Most of the Windows operating system was parroted by Mac, anyone who uses both can realize that.

Logan

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by ijokr

Once you go Mac, you never go back.....

because you can't afford to..

[iori]

Originally Posted by Monkey

because you can't afford to..

LOL zing!



I've had my macbook going on 3 years now. I'm gonna keep it until it dies then I will get another.




Good thing its lasted so long, gave me time to save.

[Zvi]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

I don't own anything that's even remotely close to 3 years old.

As it is, the world doesn't revolve around you and Apple... Sad, but true...
In other words, of course UR all cool and Mac equipped with new shiny hardware, but lots of people and organizations can't really afford that.
By the way, you with all your less than 3 years old hardware, kind of contradict what Apple is repeating to ad nauseam, that it is PCs who break down in 2 years and Macs last forever...
Now when we have argument about Mac's lack of backwards compatibility suddenly the users who have old hardware are in the wrong.
So, logically thinking, macs last forever, but you have to replace hardware every 2-3 years and pay hefty premium for the honor.
You're dong good job promoting Macs

Originally Posted by jadedeath

I also note that you didn't get around to answering Toefer's question...

Which one?

Originally Posted by jadedeath

Yes, but even if that's true, they don't specifically mention the NAME of the competition in their ads.

So far as I know that was against the law.

You might wanna check the law Again. Lying about products, your own or someone else's is clearly against the law.

Originally Posted by jadedeath

I'm going to ignore the flamebait from the PC fanboy

Regardless of fanboy platform, U do bring up very irrelevant or "strange" subjects to prove your points. So, instead of heroically restraining yourself from biting nonexistent flamebaits, may be U should use more conventional arguments, closer to the topic.

Originally Posted by jadedeath

Most of the Windows operating system was parroted by Mac, anyone who uses both can realize that.

Sure, in generals terms everything good is from Apple and copied by others.
I was curious if you had anything better than that to say, any specific example, but as far as I can see no, that's not the case. You simply are parroting apple evangelists.

[SleeperAgent]

Funny thing is, everytime I see those "I'm a mac, I'm a PC" commercials I am glad I have a PC. The suit is way cooler.

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by Zvi

As it is, the world doesn't revolve around you and Apple... Sad, but true...
In other words, of course UR all cool and Mac equipped with new shiny hardware, but lots of people and organizations can't really afford that.
By the way, you with all your less than 3 years old hardware, kind of contradict what Apple is repeating to ad nauseam, that it is PCs who break down in 2 years and Macs last forever...
Now when we have argument about Mac's lack of backwards compatibility suddenly the users who have old hardware are in the wrong.
So, logically thinking, macs last forever, but you have to replace hardware every 2-3 years and pay hefty premium for the honor.
You're dong good job promoting Macs

Actually, the reason why I updated all my hardware was because I was tired of waiting 3 hours for a 3 minute render for video editing on the PC.

If you'd bother looking into other threads {like the Mac users thread} I just updated to a Mac recently so I can use Final Cut Pro 6. In transferring to Mac from a 3 year old PC laptop.

So your logic not only fails, but falls flat on it's face.

As much as I like interrupting you running around in circles chasing your tail trying to find holes in my arguments, you're making yourself look kind of silly when trying to throw things at me that won't stick. It's not even remotely logical, and really rather amusing.

Which one?

Read the thread, I'm not going to read it back to you. I do many things, but holding your hand isn't one of them.

You might wanna check the law Again. Lying about products, your own or someone else's is clearly against the law.

And using the name of a direct competitor or bribing people to buy your product is above board and totally legal?

Pull the other one.

Regardless of fanboy platform, U do bring up very irrelevant or "strange" subjects to prove your points. So, instead of heroically restraining yourself from biting nonexistent flamebaits, may be U should use more conventional arguments, closer to the topic.

I see we've devolved into 'netspeak' in order to talk.

Maybe if I push you a bit further you'll just start posting things that are totally incomprehensible {that means that no one other than you would be able to read it}

Sure, in generals terms everything good is from Apple and copied by others.
I was curious if you had anything better than that to say, any specific example, but as far as I can see no, that's not the case. You simply are parroting apple evangelists.

As an example, I'm curious as to when Windows will end up with the main programs being in a list on the bottom.

I might be quoting apple evangelists, but I'm betting that Bill Gates has said many of the same things that you've said over and over again, it's like talking with people who own 360's.

Logan

[tlmaclennan]

Why is is that the Mac vs. PC debates always involve two idiots barking at each other how their computer is better than the other's? As bretallica said, it's a personal preference. Having one over the other won't make a difference for the most part. I can't use Macs because my CAD software for engineering is a Windows only program.

But if I ever decided to get alaptop I would get a Mac. Their multi-touch mouse pad actually works as well as a mouse. No PC out there has those capabilities.

I used to be a PC supporter and argued endlessly with Mac fanboys until I realized that we both come out looking like total idiots. That's exactly what this bickering is doing for you guys. Just a bunch of BS if you ask me.

[Zvi]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

Actually, the reason why I updated all my hardware was because I was tired of waiting 3 hours for a 3 minute render for video editing on the PC.

And all of the sudden, the same CPU as in PC works 3 times faster in your Mac An argument worthy of a true Apple devotee.
For the record, if the rendering speeds is that critical, you might consider OCing, but again, with Macs that's not really an option. Apple is above that, I presume...

Originally Posted by jadedeath

If you'd bother looking into other threads {like the Mac users thread}

Why would I?

Originally Posted by jadedeath

I just updated to a Mac recently so I can use Final Cut Pro 6. In transferring to Mac from a 3 year old PC laptop.

You know, it is very strange to say the least that you need so much CPU power and decide to go with the LAPTOP. On top of that, video editing involves significant amount of hard drive space and access, and potentially you'd need a powerful graphics card. And for all that you pick a laptop? You must render all that stuff while sipping your coffee in Starbucks or what?
And I have to believe you're serious about any of it?

From earlier post:

Originally Posted by jadedeath

they don't specifically mention the NAME of the competition in their ads.

Originally Posted by jadedeath

And using the name of a direct competitor or bribing people to buy your product is above board and totally legal?

Hmm, first you're pissed off they were not naming... Now you're pissed off they're naming. Make up your mind will ya?

Originally Posted by jadedeath

As an example, I'm curious as to when Windows will end up with the main programs being in a list on the bottom.

Which hasn't happened, the question was if you knew what you were talking about Windows copying Mac OS. Obviously you do not.

Originally Posted by jadedeath

I might be quoting apple evangelists

And constantly repeating things w/o understanding them is parroting, at least mimics parrot behavior mucho closer.

[Zvi]

Originally Posted by tlmaclennan

Why is is that the Mac vs. PC debates always involve two idiots barking at each other how their computer is better than the other's?

No, debate is more about why Apple is right no matter what they do and MS and the rest of the world is wrong, no matter what they do. Including their gripes with MS adds which are somehow much more unfair than Mac vs.PC adds for years.

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by Zvi

And all of the sudden, the same CPU as in PC works 3 times faster in your Mac An argument worthy of a true Apple devotee.

What part of the sentence 'upgrade my hardware' didn't you understand?

If you upgrade, you don't get the exact same thing as 3 year old tech.

As that would be kinda stupid.

Plus, if you knew as much about computers as you claim, {which apparently you don't} you'd know that FCP is only available for Mac.

Why would I?

Because you carry over other conversations from other threads, one might assume that you'd do a bit more research before stuffing your foot down your throat.

You know, it is very strange to say the least that you need so much CPU power and decide to go with the LAPTOP. On top of that, video editing involves significant amount of hard drive space and access, and potentially you'd need a powerful graphics card. And for all that you pick a laptop? You must render all that stuff while sipping your coffee in Starbucks or what?
And I have to believe you're serious about any of it?

That's why I use external hard drives for some of it, do the work on the computer then offload the files to {or from} various hard drives that I have then prepare the video for the customer {or myself} via DVD or Blu-Ray.

Hmm, first you're pissed off they were not naming... Now you're pissed off they're naming. Make up your mind will ya?

Wow, lucky you're {apparently} involved with computers, as I'd have to have to deal with you as someone who teaches English.

The first quote was with regards to Mac ads not naming Microsoft in their ads {legal} and the second was with regards to Microsoft actively naming their competition in ads {which is not legal}

Which hasn't happened, the question was if you knew what you were talking about Windows copying Mac OS. Obviously you do not.

Yet. Hasn't happened yet.

And constantly repeating things w/o understanding them is parroting, at least mimics parrot behavior mucho closer.

Yes, you certainly do don't you?

You should probably have that checked out. Maybe with a scrotal exam.

Logan

[Zvi]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

What part of the sentence 'upgrade my hardware' didn't you understand?

The part when you needed more CPU/GPU power and went for the laptop

Originally Posted by jadedeath

Because you carry over other conversations from other threads

Not really, I just pointed out that you tend to use very peculiar analogies with discussing copyright or computer hardware issues.

Originally Posted by jadedeath

That's why I use external hard drives for some of it, do the work on the computer then offload the files to {or from} various hard drives that I have then prepare the video for the customer {or myself} via DVD or Blu-Ray.

Stupendous And that helps with CPU/GPU power of your laptop how?

Originally Posted by jadedeath

Yet. Hasn't happened yet.

Thanks for repeating what I said, but question, once again was, do you have any idea what you're talking about when accusing Vista of copying Mac OS?

Originally Posted by jadedeath

You should probably have that checked out. Maybe with a scrotal exam.

As mentioned above, you really like to bring child molesters, prostitutes and now scrotal stuff into unrelated conversations. What's up with that?

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by Zvi

The part when you needed more CPU/GPU power and went for the laptop

I prefer portability, especially when I have to drag the laptop {which has all my settings set up the way I want them} to a client and show them what I have available and re-adjust things for them instead of having them all show up to my place.

Not really, I just pointed out that you tend to use very peculiar analogies with discussing copyright or computer hardware issues.

I like keeping things colourful.

Stupendous And that helps with CPU/GPU power of your laptop how?

Compared to what I had with the Toshiba... it helps a massive amount.

Thanks for repeating what I said, but question, once again was, do you have any idea what you're talking about when accusing Vista of copying Mac OS?

I didn't say Vista, I said Windows.

As mentioned above, you really like to bring child molesters, prostitutes and now scrotal stuff into unrelated conversations. What's up with that?

As mentioned, I like to keep things colourful, I would say 'if you don't like it, then don't read it' but you seem to have enough of a problem keeping things that I say straight with the context in which it's said... I'd hate to have you be even further behind in the conversation.

Logan

[Zvi]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

Compared to what I had with the Toshiba... it helps a massive amount.

So, compared to 3 years old Toshiba Macs win.

Originally Posted by jadedeath

I didn't say Vista, I said Windows.

I asked about vista, since you constantly complain about reading skills, go back read again. Actually you never answered that question neither for Vista, nor for windows...

Originally Posted by jadedeath

As mentioned, I like to keep things colourful, I would say 'if you don't like it, then don't read it'

I dunno before I read it. Besides, distasteful(if not stupid) things like that from sophisticated apple fan, tsk tsk...

[OrlandoEastwood]

For me:

Mac - Film editing

PC - Everything else

[Elandyll]

I can't tell you guys how much the scene with Long (the irony) in "Drag me to hell" where his printer is busted because of a paper clip made me laugh to no end.

The whole scene is Mac sponsored (he needs no less than two Imacs to do his job apparently), but somehow I don't think it reflects too well on the most basic tech knowledge for Mac users

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by Zvi

So, compared to 3 years old Toshiba Macs win.

When did I ever say that?

Compared to any computer that's 3 years old, my current computer wins.

That should pretty-much go for anyone who's just upgraded their equipment.

But seriously though, that's a pretty lame leap from someone who's apparently using logic. With the amount that you're stretching, you might just fall off your chair.

I asked about vista, since you constantly complain about reading skills, go back read again. Actually you never answered that question neither for Vista, nor for windows...

I'll answer your question after you answer Toefer's question, which you seem so keen on avoiding.

I dunno before I read it. Besides, distasteful(if not stupid) things like that from sophisticated apple fan, tsk tsk...

Please, feel free to point out how what I've said has been stupid {so I can report you for calling someone stupid}

Not to mention the fact that it's been mentioned repeatedly that I'm not a fanboy by any stretch, the only reason I got involved in the thread is because PC users {you know, the guys that use 'U' instead of 'you'} started hacking on Apple folks for no apparent reason.

Logan

[Leopold BUTTERS]

My pc is awesome.

[Zvi]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

But seriously though, that's a pretty lame leap from someone who's apparently using logic.

As far as I can tell, logic s very different for you and me. Logically one would assume being able to resize a window from4 corners + 4 sides is faster and more convenient than just 1 corner. Yet, you argue the later is better.
So, what logic are you talking about?

Originally Posted by jadedeath

I'll answer your question after you answer Toefer's question, which you seem so keen on avoiding.

Unless you will be more specific, can't help. I looked up his last post, and I think I gave quite detailed answer to Toefer. Besides, if you could, you'd do it already. What's this 5 year old "you do it first" anyway?

Originally Posted by jadedeath

Please, feel free to point out how what I've said has been stupid {so I can report you for calling someone stupid}

Pardon me? You of all people complain about language? Funny, you're just like Apple though Taking cheap shots at everyone who disagrees and then running around with complaints if you get something back...

Originally Posted by jadedeath

I'm guessing that makes you as smart as 'any idiot' then... doesn't it?

Aren't those your words? Or, do you really think your "colorful" comparisons are smart?

Originally Posted by jadedeath

Not to mention the fact that it's been mentioned repeatedly that I'm not a fanboy by any stretch,

As they say, If it talks & walks like...
Pardon, if I misjudged your charming personality, but when I hear/read comments about "nearly immune OS" and smug remarks about how old hardware is same as wearing 10 years old underwear...

Originally Posted by jadedeath

the only reason I got involved in the thread is because PC users {you know, the guys that use 'U' instead of 'you'} started hacking on Apple folks for no apparent reason.

And then you came in to defend Apple and Apple folks honor!
My bad. Those evil PC people hacking on Apple all the time, even though Apple is "nearly unhackable"...
As for the U, well. Old habits. Back then, on 300 baud modems it did make a difference whether one typed U or You. But I'm working on it

[krazeyeyez]

the PC commercials crack me up cause the are so obviously reaching for things, like the commercial where the girl says oh gosh the apple is so expensive, and then buys a 900 dollar pc, which will of course get viruses up the wazoo crash repeatedly, be taken in for repair and reboots, tons of lost data and end result is a pain in the ass that costs far more then a mac

i have both a PC and a MAC, i only use the pc when the mac is doing something else for me. And i despise every minute of it, its like going back in time to use a piece of electronic that does nothing right, nothing easy, and pretty much leaves me wanting to pull my hair out, on the other hand i LOVE my mac and wish i would have switched sides sooner

I think its pretty obvious that the MAC commercials bash PC alot harder then PC could ever bash MAC, and unless you are damn near a hacker and can build your pc's mac is the way to go