Offline Gaming - List of PS5 Games with DLC/Updates on the disc

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by emailking

Yeah I don't get your objection to the Xbox thing although I remember you talking about it before. On my Series X I can launch the system and install and play games off of a disc (that has a launchable game on it) without internet. I don't need to log in with a password or anything either the dashboard just comes up. Somebody could wipe it, sure. But in the hypothetical future world where there's no way to reactivate anymore they're obviously going to have to disclose that they're selling you a brick and nobody would buy without that disclosure lol.

After Microsoft stops supporting the Xbox One and Xbox Series X it will be ridiculously easy to accidentally turn them into bricks.

• Sellers could easily wipe the system before they ship it without realizing that they are turning the system into a brick.
• Buyers could easily wipe the system when they get it without realizing that they are turning it into a brick.
• Lots of people could easily wipe the system when they encounter problems without realizing that they are turning it into a brick.

[emailking]

Only the first one would apply to you and it could be handled by asking the seller that they for sure won't wipe it before shipping it. Just saying.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by emailking

Only the first one would apply to you and it could be handled by asking the seller that they for sure won't wipe it before shipping it. Just saying.

I'm concerned about everyone's ongoing access, not just my own.

[emailking]

ok but you said that was why you personally didn't get an Xbox. But you said you would buy a PS5 if there was a hypothetical one time activation, and as I just went through that's the same thing, for an aware and careful user such as yourself, as the Xbox issue as long as you ask the seller to confirm they won't wipe it before it ships lol.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by emailking

ok but you said that was why you personally didn't get an Xbox. But you said you would buy a PS5 if there was a hypothetical one time activation, and as I just went through that's the same thing, for an aware and careful user such as yourself, as the Xbox issue as long as you ask the seller to confirm they won't wipe it before it ships lol.

I also stated that "If it was literally one time and could never again be in a state that would require an internet connection then there wouldn't be an issue."

I only wouldn't have a problem with a one-time online activation if it was impossible to put the system in a state that needed to be activated again.

Xbox One and Xbox Series X are extremely easy to put into a state that needs to be re-activated online and that's why I won't buy them. Plenty of Xbox consoles will become bricks after Microsoft ends support.

If Sony ever releases a console with the same issues then I will stop buying PlayStation as well.

[Zivouhr]

That stinks of the XBSX/S can easily be set to a setting that requires them to be reconnected online again each time. What a pain that would be if internet ever went down or was fragile/weak.

PS5, on launch day November 2020, mine was a brick pretty much until I updated it online. Before that, I tried playing games PS4 and PS5, and it kept telling me that in order to play any games, I must update the PS5. Once that was done, the games thankfully worked, but it was the very first console in my entire history of gaming that required updating a console in order to play a single game or even watch a movie disc. That was terrible but I hear the newer consoles have updates already installed to avoid that to a degree if true.

In other news, Best Buy, starting in January 2024, is completely discontinuing all support for disc movies in store and online, but said they'll continue to support disc gaming in their stores and online apparently. That stinks they're dropping all movie disc support. Reminds me of the days of CDs.

[PenguinInfinity]

Just to clarify: the issue on Xbox One and Xbox Series X is that there are no offline profiles. That means that after Microsoft ends support if someone deletes their profile (which is linked to their personal e-mail address) before selling the system or if someone deletes someone else's profile after they buy the system they will be unable to make another one.

Deleting profiles with personal information on them before transfer of ownership is a perfectly logical thing to do but in this case it will turn the console into a brick. No one should be able to break their console by doing something logical.

It also means that even if you are careful if you happen to buy a system that only has one profile on it you will be unable to play local multiplayer. There are also some games that tie progress to your profile instead of just save files. You won't be able to restart those games if you can't make another profile.

If it was just a one-time firmware update that couldn't be undone I wouldn't have a problem with it but the online requirement with Xbox One and Xbox Series X is much more severe.

[PenguinInfinity]

Hitman: World of Assassination - Includes all levels from Hitman, Hitman 2, and Hitman III on the disc except 2 levels from the Hitman 2 expansion. 6 of the levels (3 from Hitman 2 and 3 from Hitman III) are not available on any other disc release. All 3 main campaigns and the Patient Zero campaign are fully playable offline. Online mode is required for scoring and alternate starting positions and equipment.

[Doomhunter]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Just to clarify: the issue on Xbox One and Xbox Series X is that there are no offline profiles. That means that after Microsoft ends support if someone deletes their profile (which is linked to their personal e-mail address) before selling the system or if someone deletes someone else's profile after they buy the system they will be unable to make another one.

Deleting profiles with personal information on them before transfer of ownership is a perfectly logical thing to do but in this case it will turn the console into a brick. No one should be able to break their console by doing something logical.

It also means that even if you are careful if you happen to buy a system that only has one profile on it you will be unable to play local multiplayer. There are also some games that tie progress to your profile instead of just save files. You won't be able to restart those games if you can't make another profile.

If it was just a one-time firmware update that couldn't be undone I wouldn't have a problem with it but the online requirement with Xbox One and Xbox Series X is much more severe.

I may be misunderstanding, but I recently replaced by Xbox One with a Series X. All I had to do was wipe the old machine, and then connect the new one (I just used my iPhone hotspot) and add my current account . There was no reason to actually delete my online profile anywhere

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Doomhunter

I may be misunderstanding, but I recently replaced by Xbox One with a Series X. All I had to do was wipe the old machine, and then connect the new one (I just used my iPhone hotspot) and add my current account . There was no reason to actually delete my online profile anywhere

When you wiped your old machine you deleted the profile off of it.

When Microsoft stops supporting the Xbox One and Xbox Series X the act of wiping a machine or deleting a profile will make the console completely unusable because there will be no way to download a profile on to the system.

[Zivouhr]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

When you wiped your old machine you deleted the profile off of it.

When Microsoft stops supporting the Xbox One and Xbox Series X the act of wiping a machine or deleting a profile will make the console completely unusable because there will be no way to download a profile on to the system.

That reminds me of the PS3 and PS4.
PS3, had a Sony PS3 console required update (so it would allow my console to play a specific blu ray 3D disc) that literally almost bricked/disabled completely my PS3. It was updating, and stalled at 99%, ending up in a constant, endless loop and all menus were gone, no access to anything but the update screen. I had to use a computer to install the update on a USB stick, then mess with it after 39 or so attempts till it finally gave the update USB a chance to reinstall it. Total near disaster and my PS3 was working fine for years.

For PS4, the internal clock was said to go out of sync eventually when the clock battery dies in the future, and games would become inaccessible due to trophies linked online or some BS. Sony thankfully finally fixed it in an update years later, but those who don't update might have problems.

For PS5, right out of the box in November 2020, I put in the Miles Morales game, and it said please update your console. Same for PS4 games and disc movies. The PS5 was pretty much a useless menu till I was forced to update it.

PS2, can't reliably play most blue bottom discs, as the reader lens eventually wears out or something from just general use. All my discs were clean and I kept the tray closed, but unless the disc bottom is clear/shiny/reflective, PS2 is garbage for reading discs. "Disc Read Error". I have a box full of games it can't play unless I flip my PS2 upside down and then it might play the disc.

PS1, I gave that away to a relative as every single game, the console was overheating and while playing, the game would flicker and all the colors would over-saturate and get dark for 10 seconds at a time, totally distorting the screen enough to mess up your game.

Sony, once they get their act together, are generally reliable, but they definitely mess things up due to their lack of thoroughness and planning.

And of course the XBox 360, my first and last Microsoft console, was in perfect condition, taken care of respectfully but after only 9 months of owning the console, and kept in an air conditioned room, the red rings of doom appeared while playing Transformers the Movie Game, as the chip set or whatever, melted down from the soldering from the inverted design of the console, and totally bricked my console/ruined it so it wouldn't even start up. It kept showing the 3 red lights and the screen went black or whatever. With MS's free warranty, after the 3rd refurbished POS 360, I traded it in for store credit towards PS3 games instead. And I really liked the console too.


My Sega Genesis, Sega Master System, NES, Colecovision and other consoles are still going, no major issues other than sometimes not reading a cartridge once in a long while till reinserted.

On topic, disc games are nice, but it's sad when developers require updates to get it working properly these days. Gone are the days of everything on the cartridge.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Zivouhr

PS1, I gave that away to a relative as every single game, the console was overheating and while playing, the game would flicker and all the colors would over-saturate and get dark for 10 seconds at a time, totally distorting the screen enough to mess up your game.

You must really dislike your relative.

[PenguinInfinity]

The new PS5 slim may have a similar problem as Xbox One and Xbox Series X due to needing to go online to pair the Blu-ray drive with the system. If the pairing can be undone by a factory reset then the system will easily be able to be put into a useless state after Sony's support has ended.

Hopefully a factory reset doesn't undo the Blu-ray drive pairing.

[jimidini]

Originally Posted by Zivouhr

That reminds me of the PS3 and PS4.
PS3, had a Sony PS3 console required update (so it would allow my console to play a specific blu ray 3D disc) that literally almost bricked/disabled completely my PS3. It was updating, and stalled at 99%, ending up in a constant, endless loop and all menus were gone, no access to anything but the update screen. I had to use a computer to install the update on a USB stick, then mess with it after 39 or so attempts till it finally gave the update USB a chance to reinstall it. Total near disaster and my PS3 was working fine for years.

Actually regarding PS3, that one still has the CMOS lock out.
This means that when the CMOS battery runs out (not if), and Sony shuts their TIME servers down, literally *all* DLC and downloaded content *will not work anymore*.

Yes, Sony was stupid or evil enough to require an up to date accurate date on the console, even when the end date of the content is 12/31/9999.

This was never patched. They patched the PS4, which had the same issue, but even refused to play discs, but not the PS3.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by jimidini

Actually regarding PS3, that one still has the CMOS lock out.
This means that when the CMOS battery runs out (not if), and Sony shuts their TIME servers down, literally *all* DLC and downloaded content *will not work anymore*.

Yes, Sony was stupid or evil enough to require an up to date accurate date on the console, even when the end date of the content is 12/31/9999.

This was never patched. They patched the PS4, which had the same issue, but even refused to play discs, but not the PS3.

Just to be clear: PS3 doesn't need a CMOS battery to play physical games and never has.

[Zivouhr]

Originally Posted by jimidini

Actually regarding PS3, that one still has the CMOS lock out.
This means that when the CMOS battery runs out (not if), and Sony shuts their TIME servers down, literally *all* DLC and downloaded content *will not work anymore*.

Yes, Sony was stupid or evil enough to require an up to date accurate date on the console, even when the end date of the content is 12/31/9999.

This was never patched. They patched the PS4, which had the same issue, but even refused to play discs, but not the PS3.

Okay, thanks. If true for the DLC and updates, that stinks. Thankfully I hardly ever updated any PS3 games and rarely used the PSN store back then.

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Just to be clear: PS3 doesn't need a CMOS battery to play physical games and never has.

That's good, thanks.

[emailking]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

I also stated that "If it was literally one time and could never again be in a state that would require an internet connection then there wouldn't be an issue."

I only wouldn't have a problem with a one-time online activation if it was impossible to put the system in a state that needed to be activated again.

Xbox One and Xbox Series X are extremely easy to put into a state that needs to be re-activated online and that's why I won't buy them. Plenty of Xbox consoles will become bricks after Microsoft ends support.

If Sony ever releases a console with the same issues then I will stop buying PlayStation as well.

I still think this isn't rational. It's not easy to put them in that state if you're trying not to. Replace requires an internet connection for a one time setup with cannot be broken beyond repair and it's the same thing. I mean do whatever you want but I think this objection is more philosophical than practical.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by emailking

I still think this isn't rational. It's not easy to put them in that state if you're trying not to. Replace requires an internet connection for a one time setup with cannot be broken beyond repair and it's the same thing. I mean do whatever you want but I think this objection is more philosophical than practical.

Why are you defending a practice that offers no benefit to anyone?

[emailking]

Dude I wish all movies and games Ive ever bought had a physical version without an internet requirement. But I don't think that desire constitutes a reason to not get anything digital or anything that has an internet requirement.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by emailking

Dude I wish all movies and games Ive ever bought had a physical version without an internet requirement. But I don't think that desire constitutes a reason to not get anything digital or anything that has an internet requirement.

More support for things that have internet requirements means less things will be released without them.

I believe in preservation of the arts so I only buy games, movies, TV shows, and music that can be played and legally redistributed without ongoing support from the companies that released them.