Don’t Look Now 4K UHD (1973)

[NeoNical]

Originally Posted by Joe Cinema

Was it ever determined if the BD included with the new Criterion 4K UHD has the previous restoration from the 2015 release or the new one?

Pretty sure the 2015 release and the 4K disc uses the same 4k restoration.

[Joe Cinema]

Originally Posted by NeoNical

Pretty sure the 2015 release and the 4K disc uses the same 4k restoration.

It does not. Criterion's 2023 4K UHD is from StudioCanal's (UK) 2019 restoration:

"Undertaken by StudioCanal at Silver Salt Restoration in London and approved by director of photography Anthony Richmond, this digital master was created from the 35mm original camera negative and scanned in 4K resolution. The original monaural soundtrack was remastered from the 35mm magnetic track."

Criterion 2015 BD:

"Approved by director Nicolas Roeg, this new digital transfer was created in 4K resolution on a ARRISCAN film scanner from the original camera negative at Deluxe Digital London."

[Brian81]

So SC likes to include remastered BDs and Criterion does not.


Seems to be a pattern. Why I ordered UK edition of Mulholland Drive instead, to pair with the Criterion BD.


Did Criterion include a remastered BD of Red Circle?

[cybersoga]

Silver Salt does some great restorations.

[kmhofmann]

Originally Posted by Joe Cinema

Was it ever determined if the BD included with the new Criterion 4K UHD has the previous restoration from the 2015 release or the new one?

It has the previous one as it just contains the previous disc.

[Joe Cinema]

Originally Posted by kmhofmann

It has the previous one as it just contains the previous disc.

It sure appeared that way from the description, but thank you so much for confirming it.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by cybersoga

Silver Salt does some great restorations.

They did great on this and Santa Claus the movie, IMO they blew it on TCM

[Filmy4K]

Originally Posted by Yiddo1981

I sold my studio canal and have purchased the criterion.

Hi, could you plase write, why you sold your edition 4K SC UK-edition (B082L9KS1X)? I've read here about perfect picture Quality and in my case I have experienced completely something different.

Watching on my calibrated laser TV Formovie Theater (80") screen with Panasonic UB9000 and Dolby Visiopn the picture was really bad. Very often 'snowing' was visible (like in 90's when you have set up your CRT anoalog tv). On my PC (34') it looks ok...but it is much smaller screen. On suites and black elements were plenty of grey-white points occuring and black was sometimes with white points too.

I do have such problems only with old and weak transfers. Another movie like Le Mepris was looking great (is from 1963). So it is not my system.

@community Does any of you have or had simmilar quality problem? I do not belive in set-up issue...the problem usually does not exist.

[SpaceBlackKnight]

Criterion UHD is the same SC transfer but with the original Paramount logo restored up front (also reflected on the 4k HDR streaming version, meaning this was done and supplied by Paramount instead of StudioCanal).

Criterion BD is the same 2015 disc.

[cochon]

Originally Posted by Brian81

So SC likes to include remastered BDs and Criterion does not.


Seems to be a pattern. Why I ordered UK edition of Mulholland Drive instead, to pair with the Criterion BD.


Did Criterion include a remastered BD of Red Circle?

If you are talking about Le cercle rouge I believe they did and it probably suffers from the same colour regrading that made the 4K unpopular. The original Criterion BD sells for a lot more than the 4k with BD combo.

[NeoNical]

Originally Posted by cochon

If you are talking about Le cercle rouge I believe they did and it probably suffers from the same colour regrading that made the 4K unpopular. The original Criterion BD sells for a lot more than the 4k with BD combo.

They did use the same 4K restoration for the Blu-ray. I believe this isn't very common of Criterion and I'm sure there are many releases that still utilized the older remasters (Branded to Kill was a title that I found to have copy/paste the original BD for the 4K release). I don't know which ones do and which ones do not but I can't imagine a precise reason (Le Cercle Rouge is an OOP title before the 4K came out which is probably why they utilized a new edition for the Blu-ray).

With that said, the original Blu-ray does NOT sell a lot more than the 4K. Bought the older remaster BD about a year or two ago for around the $20 price that it would've gone for the B&N sale. You can still find it at the $20 price. To find a new, unsealed copy will obviously cost you much more to the point it's not worth cashing in for.

I was actually a bit disappointed with the older remaster. Colors didn't look all that amazing and grain and clarity was not so pleasing to me. Planning to buy the 4K UHD next sale to see how it stands up against the older remaster. I may be in that minority who may end up preferring the 4K restoration over the HD remaster, Ritrovata grading and all.

[cochon]

Originally Posted by NeoNical

They did use the same 4K restoration for the Blu-ray. I believe this isn't very common of Criterion and I'm sure there are many releases that still utilized the older remasters (Branded to Kill was a title that I found to have copy/paste the original BD for the 4K release). I don't know which ones do and which ones do not but I can't imagine a precise reason (Le Cercle Rouge is an OOP title before the 4K came out which is probably why they utilized a new edition for the Blu-ray).

With that said, the original Blu-ray does NOT sell a lot more than the 4K. Bought the older remaster BD about a year or two ago for around the $20 price that it would've gone for the B&N sale. You can still find it at the $20 price. To find a new, unsealed copy will obviously cost you much more to the point it's not worth cashing in for.

I was actually a bit disappointed with the older remaster. Colors didn't look all that amazing and grain and clarity was not so pleasing to me. Planning to buy the 4K UHD next sale to see how it stands up against the older remaster. I may be in that minority who may end up preferring the 4K restoration over the HD remaster, Ritrovata grading and all.

I've been keeping track at sealed, new prices but only out of curiosity. I do have the UK version that came in a Melville boxset. It has a similarly cold colour grading to the original Criterion.

I would not rate the transfer as amazing but it is good enough to keep using it. I would have bought the 4K if it wasn't for the changes. I am one of those persons

if the colour changes weren't that extreme I would have bought the 4K . I am hoping they don't do the same with Le Samurai.

[CelestialAgent]

Originally Posted by NeoNical

They did use the same 4K restoration for the Blu-ray. I believe this isn't very common of Criterion and I'm sure there are many releases that still utilized the older remasters (Branded to Kill was a title that I found to have copy/paste the original BD for the 4K release). I don't know which ones do and which ones do not but I can't imagine a precise reason (Le Cercle Rouge is an OOP title before the 4K came out which is probably why they utilized a new edition for the Blu-ray).

Based on the UK thread, Days of Heaven retained the exact same disc from a decade and a half ago, one of the early Criterion BDs that isn’t unlockable with the top menu trick.

[NeoNical]

Originally Posted by cochon

If the colour changes weren't that extreme I would have bought the 4K . I am hoping they don't do the same with Le Samurai.

You can go ahead and see for yourself about where you stand on the 4K restoration.

A French 4K UHD came out back in November and people have been saying good stuff about it so far. Color wise, you won't be disappointed.

We can probably expect 4Ks of Le Deuxieme Souffle and L'Armee des Ombres sometime soon as well. Criterion owns both so maybe a 2025-2026 release date for those two.

[Hammerlover]

R.I.P. Donald Sutherland (1935-2024).

[jvonl]

Well damn....

[mar3o]

That's awful news. Another great actor gone. But he left us many amazing films.

[mar3o]

More than just a great actor; he was legendary.

[CharlieChampion]

If anyone is still looking at this thread, I picked this up during the latest Barnes and Noble Criterion sale, watched it last night, I wasnt able to get the HDR to work , tried in a standalone player, ps5 and series x, it was always sdr, I checked the settings and hdr was turned on for everything.

Anyone else experienced this issue?