HD DVD does not have enough space for PCM

[Canada]

Meanwhile I was looking at Hellboy and it's specs are as follows



Video codec: MPEG-4 AVC
Video resolution: 1080p
Aspect ratio: 1.85:1

Audio
English: PCM 5.1 (48kHz, 16-bit)
English: Dolby Digital 5.1
French: Dolby Digital 5.1
German: PCM 5.1 (48kHz, 16-bit)
German: Dolby Digital 5.1


It has 2 PCM tracks don't ask me why they included a German PCM track but it's welcome as long as it doesn't take away from the Video or the English PCM track

[phloyd]

I think LPCM challenges the available bandwidth for HD DVD for than the space... I guess it depends on the movie

Regardless, it is rare to see LPCM on HD DVD, especially more than 2 channels.

[Canada]

I don't recall a PCM track on any HD DVD. That is pretty pathetic since as far as I am aware they did PCM 2ch on some Laser Disc.

[Luis_A51]

5.1 PCM would reduce the bandwith on HDDVD to about 25 mbps PEAK for video.....thats a pathetic number. Thats mainly why HDDVD does not have PCM.

You will find the occasional BD25 with AVC and 5.1PCM, so its not a storage issue.

[Nick Graham]

Only HD-DVD I am aware of that has a PCM track (2 channel) is the Eagles disc (which sounds awesome).

[dobyblue]

Paramount's upcoming release of that Angelina Jolie movie is listed as having PCM 5.1 - maybe they crossed signals on what they were going to put on the Blu-ray version.

[w_tanoto]

and the good thing is that their (HDDUD) only hopes, triple layer, is not wholly approved. Preliminary specs only approved.

[GTP]

Originally Posted by Canada

Meanwhile I was looking at Hellboy and it's specs are as follows



Video codec: MPEG-4 AVC
Video resolution: 1080p
Aspect ratio: 1.85:1

Audio
English: PCM 5.1 (48kHz, 16-bit)
English: Dolby Digital 5.1
French: Dolby Digital 5.1
German: PCM 5.1 (48kHz, 16-bit)
German: Dolby Digital 5.1


It has 2 PCM tracks don't ask me why they included a German PCM track but it's welcome as long as it doesn't take away from the Video or the English PCM track

The Replacement Killers also has two PCM tracks.

[WickyWoo]

It has 2 PCM tracks don't ask me why they included a German PCM track but it's welcome as long as it doesn't take away from the Video or the English PCM track

Germans are even worse than almost anyone else (maybe Americans) about watching things subtitled

[vw mofo]

Originally Posted by w_tanoto

and the good thing is that their (HDDUD) only hopes, triple layer, is not wholly approved. Preliminary specs only approved.

Check your facts. The TL51GB disk and TwinFormat TL disc are fully approved. But again as mentioned by someone else, the lack of PCM on HD DVD is not because of storage, it's bandwidth. Not to mention, HD DVD doesn't need PCM when it uses TrueHD. Lossless is lossless. I just wish they used it more.

[BluFox]

Originally Posted by vw mofo

Check your facts. The TL51GB disk and TwinFormat TL disc are fully approved.

HD DVD doesn't need PCM when it uses TrueHD. Lossless is lossless. I just wish they used it more.

Well, where is it then?
I don't see TL51Gb or Twin format on HD-DVD. Nor do I see lossless sound on most HD-DVD releases!

[lch]

Originally Posted by vw mofo

Check your facts. The TL51GB disk and TwinFormat TL disc are fully approved. But again as mentioned by someone else, the lack of PCM on HD DVD is not because of storage, it's bandwidth. Not to mention, HD DVD doesn't need PCM when it uses TrueHD. Lossless is lossless. I just wish they used it more.

troll. check your fact
http://www.betanews.com/article/Tosh...All/1189716943

[w_tanoto]

Originally Posted by vw mofo

Check your facts. The TL51GB disk and TwinFormat TL disc are fully approved. But again as mentioned by someone else, the lack of PCM on HD DVD is not because of storage, it's bandwidth. Not to mention, HD DVD doesn't need PCM when it uses TrueHD. Lossless is lossless. I just wish they used it more.

you want a fact???
Here it is:
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=16802
Long Live BLU-RAY

[freakadeak]

You guys kill me. I have only read these forums for a few days now. (started by looking for a list of upcoming movies that would be on HD format. Mainly transformers.) I am very disappointed it is only going one way. I think a stupid bsiness move.
None the less, I have laughed at all the name calling. (trolls) Funny...

The sides need to quit getting after each other and get after the mfg's. We should not be pissing in the wind over who has PCM. blah blah blah.
We were promised UNCOMPRESSED 7.1 Master audio at 24mbps (from DTS) I have yeet to see this. Or even close to it. I have a receiver that can decode it, but the player want send it.

This is like arguing who has a better sneaker Nike or Reebok, when both forgot to but the freaking soles on the damn shoe.

There is no question Blu is in the lead, and has a better rated product. But are you ok with your wife cheating on you as long as she stays at your house.

EXACTLY..............

Lets not comprimise our standards just because we are ahead fo the competition...

[SS316SRV]

Originally Posted by freakadeak

You guys kill me. I have only read these forums for a few days now. (started by looking for a list of upcoming movies that would be on HD format. Mainly transformers.) I am very disappointed it is only going one way. I think a stupid bsiness move.
None the less, I have laughed at all the name calling. (trolls) Funny...

The sides need to quit getting after each other and get after the mfg's. We should not be pissing in the wind over who has PCM. blah blah blah.
We were promised UNCOMPRESSED 7.1 Master audio at 24mbps (from DTS) I have yeet to see this. Or even close to it. I have a receiver that can decode it, but the player want send it.

This is like arguing who has a better sneaker Nike or Reebok, when both forgot to but the freaking soles on the damn shoe.

There is no question Blu is in the lead, and has a better rated product. But are you ok with your wife cheating on you as long as she stays at your house.

EXACTLY..............

Lets not comprimise our standards just because we are ahead fo the competition...

TROLL!!!!!


I am joking...good points. I am alittle ticked that I have not seen the full storage capabilites of blu taken advantage of. However, even as it stands, blu is overall a better technology than HD DVD.

And what does a cheating wife have anything to do with this?

[WickyWoo]

As I said in another thread

I am sick and tired of getting all these "TROLL" post reports every time someone says something that can be construed positive about HD DVD. After checking mofo's post history, he has behaved himself and argued logically for the most part thus far. If that changes in the future he will be dealt with. GROUPTHINK IS NOT REQUIRED ON THIS FORUM!

[freakadeak]

Originally Posted by SS316SRV

And what does a cheating wife have anything to do with this?

Thats my point. What does "my disc is bigger than your disc" have to do with true HD sound emersion.

I think Blu will be the prevailing format. Frankly it does not matter to me. As the sound is 70% of the equation for me. And i do have a 1080p front projector with an Onkyo 875 (has HQV scaler).
That brings me to another soap box. I look at a lot of people sigs on here. How the hell can you rant on about 1080p HD content when you have a 32" TV. You only get to really utilize 1080p content fully if you are sitting REALLY CLOSE to your unit or have it displayed on a large SCREEN.
You want to know what the BEST picture is EVER. A 12" color tube TV. Ask any expert. Broadcast were recorded for these units. for every inch you go bigger you strecth the image(pixel.)
And guess what 1080p is not the end all be all...... They are already working on 1440P. What then you gonna let people call you a troll when you tell them you have a 1080p unit.

[WickyWoo]

You want to know what the BEST picture is EVER. A 12" color tube TV. Ask any expert. Broadcast were recorded for these units. for every inch you go bigger you strecth the image(pixel.)

He's right. All pro-grade monitors until VERY recently were tubes in the 12-20"(rare size) range

CRT still has the best contrast ratios period

[vw mofo]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

As I said in another thread

I am sick and tired of getting all these "TROLL" post reports every time someone says something that can be construed positive about HD DVD. After checking mofo's post history, he has behaved himself and argued logically for the most part thus far. If that changes in the future he will be dealt with. GROUPTHINK IS NOT REQUIRED ON THIS FORUM!

Thank you. As I've said many many times. When I can buy a fully featured Blu-Ray player for $200 or less, I will. Until then, one could argue that ALL of your BD players are built on preliminary specs.

I don't come here to start pissing matches as I am genuinely interested in the product. Obviously, I'd like to see HD DVD come out on top, but I'm certainly not going to lose any sleep if it doesn't, which seems to be a concept that many of you guys can't seem to grasp. It's a freakin' DVD player for crap's sake!!!

[BigB88]

Originally Posted by freakadeak

Thats my point. What does "my disc is bigger than your disc" have to do with true HD sound emersion.

I think Blu will be the prevailing format. Frankly it does not matter to me. As the sound is 70% of the equation for me. And i do have a 1080p front projector with an Onkyo 875 (has HQV scaler).
That brings me to another soap box. I look at a lot of people sigs on here. How the hell can you rant on about 1080p HD content when you have a 32" TV. You only get to really utilize 1080p content fully if you are sitting REALLY CLOSE to your unit or have it displayed on a large SCREEN.
You want to know what the BEST picture is EVER. A 12" color tube TV. Ask any expert. Broadcast were recorded for these units. for every inch you go bigger you strecth the image(pixel.)
And guess what 1080p is not the end all be all...... They are already working on 1440P. What then you gonna let people call you a troll when you tell them you have a 1080p unit.

I agree that too many people are hung up on i vs p resolutions, frankly it is pretty difficult to tell the difference unless you go above 65". At any rate, I have no issues with pro HD-DVD folks discussing their formats merits. My problem is the lies and disinformation being spread by both camps, but mainly HD-DVD. If folks want a lower cost HD experience with no growth potential then HD-DVD of HD VMD may be your answer. If folks want top quality and future capabilities and are willing to pay more for this, then it is Blu Ray. The HD-DVD and HD VMD technologies are simply a few years advanced over SD DVD, whereas Blu Ray goes a lot further, simple fact. I also believe people should not be resorting to name calling simply if they disagree with someone's point, I would simply point out that their facts may be incorrect or perhaps "check your facts before posting", etc.