Quick FF7 advent children question about the dubbing and animation - Blu-ray Forum

mj79 · 08-14-2009, 06:23 AM

I saw it on the net, but wondered if they fixed the dubbing for the blu ray..?? I mean i know its a big japanese thing but i just cant stand not having there lips move with the dialog .. that takes me totally off the movie

TL OWNS U · 08-14-2009, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by mj79

I saw it on the net, but wondered if they fixed the dubbing for the blu ray..?? I mean i know its a big japanese thing but i just cant stand not having there lips move with the dialog .. that takes me totally off the movie

The movie was originally made in Japan so the lips will be synced more with the Japanese language rather than the english. Same happened with TL's rental of Resident Evil: Degeneration. Your either going to have to watch it in Japanese with English subtitles, or deal with it.

MOONPHASE · 08-14-2009, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by TL OWNS U

The movie was originally made in Japan so the lips will be synced more with the Japanese language rather than the english. Same happened with TL's rental of Resident Evil: Degeneration. Your either going to have to watch it in Japanese with English subtitles, or deal with it.

Well if you compare Resident Evil: Degeneration English lip syncing with FFVII: Advent Children English lip syncing you'll think that FFVII is a perfect dub because I didn't think it was that bad at all when I listened to FFVII both on dvd and Blu-ray. I mean sure FFVII English dub didn't fit the mouth movement a 100% but it was good enough to just say at least they tried.

RocShemp · 08-14-2009, 07:13 AM

But keep in mind that the English dub is a mixed bag. Wally Wingert wasn't at the top of his game as Rufus Shinra. Mena Suvari and Rachael Leigh Cook were dreadful as Aerith and Tifa respectively. Steve Burton was good but a touch off compared to other times he's voice Cloud. George Newbern is the real standout as Sephiroth. I actually found him far better in the role than Toshiyuki Morikawa. Everyone else was very good across the board.

Kyo28 · 08-14-2009, 08:13 AM

I haven't noticed any problem with the dubbing of FFVII.

Never checked the US track, though. Don't care much for non-original language tracks.

Mobe1969 · 08-14-2009, 08:14 AM

That was the first CG movie I've seen where I was actually impressed hugely by the animation. The level of rendered irregular objects in it, as well as number of people was just phenomenal. The detail was impressive.

AikonEnt · 08-14-2009, 08:53 AM

My copy it's on its way to me now

jasonicus · 08-14-2009, 11:58 AM

I can't tell you cause I don't like watching any movie dubbed. If bad dubbing bothers you, just use subtitles.

RocShemp · 08-14-2009, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mobe1969

That was the first CG movie I've seen where I was actually impressed hugely by the animation. The level of rendered irregular objects in it, as well as number of people was just phenomenal. The detail was impressive.

Really? I found it all passable but in no way jaw dropping.

cathexist · 08-14-2009, 12:33 PM

It would be time consuming to do the lip sync for english as well. You'd basically have to re-render every scene where lips are moving.

I too never watch dubbed versions of...anything (cept for older Jackie Chan movies...which...almost always seem to be dubbed, even when the characters speaking english)

Arkham · 08-14-2009, 03:15 PM

As has been said, it would require animating quite a lot of material twice for something that 98% of people do not care about.
To me dubbing is for comedy, no other purpose and I always prefer the original language with subs.

MOONPHASE · 08-14-2009, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jasonicus

I can't tell you cause I don't like watching any movie dubbed. If bad dubbing bothers you, just use subtitles.

In anything animated any language is considered a dub including the original voice acting which also includes video games.

Chiyo_chichi · 08-14-2009, 03:51 PM

Was the cut you saw the newer release with the 1k changed scenes, retouches, etc? Or the old original...because its a fairly big difference.

Anyway, I've seen Complete on Blu 2x in English and the lip synch never threw me off.

djrasmu · 08-14-2009, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RocShemp

But keep in mind that the English dub is a mixed bag. Wally Wingert wasn't at the top of his game as Rufus Shinra. Mena Suvari and Rachael Leigh Cook were dreadful as Aerith and Tifa respectively. Steve Burton was good but a touch off compared to other times he's voice Cloud. George Newbern is the real standout as Sephiroth. I actually found him far better in the role than Toshiyuki Morikawa. Everyone else was very good across the board.

I'm surprised you didn't like Wingert's Rufus. I thought that performance was spectacular and far better than the Japanese actor. Then again, I loved Mena Suvari's Aeris as well, which I know is contrary to popular opinion.

As to the original question, though, Advent Children is a foreign film, and foreign films generally deserve at least one watch-through in the original language.

On the other hand, it is easier to make a convincing dub of a cartoon like this film since the on screen performance wasn't ever actually given by the speaker. Nonetheless, you can't expect the lips to sync up any more than you would expect them to if you had a dub a live action film like Amélie or Pan's Labyrinth.

mj79 · 08-14-2009, 04:44 PM

thanks guys.. i think amazon has a good deal on this now, so im gonna pick it up.. So i know its a different animation/cgi etc.. But how is the PQ compared to something like a kung fu panda or ratatouille

MOONPHASE · 08-14-2009, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mj79

thanks guys.. i think amazon has a good deal on this now, so im gonna pick it up.. So i know its a different animation/cgi etc.. But how is the PQ compared to something like a kung fu panda or ratatouille

I would say it's excellent PQ

RocShemp · 08-14-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by djrasmu

I'm surprised you didn't like Wingert's Rufus. I thought that performance was spectacular and far better than the Japanese actor. Then again, I loved Mena Suvari's Aeris as well, which I know is contrary to popular opinion.

I just feel he's done better and he came across as if he were phoning it in. Mena Suvari sounded like someone recorded her first readthrough of the script and didn't bother to do any retakes.

RocShemp · 08-14-2009, 05:16 PM

ANy word on if they'll reissue the BD with all the special features from the previous DVD releases and the current BD special features? I just can't bring myself to fork over $30 for such a light release.

mj79 · 08-14-2009, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RocShemp

ANy word on if they'll reissue the BD with all the special features from the previous DVD releases and the current BD special features? I just can't bring myself to fork over $30 for such a light release.

$18 on amazon

Porkchop Express · 08-14-2009, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mj79

thanks guys.. i think amazon has a good deal on this now, so im gonna pick it up.. So i know its a different animation/cgi etc.. But how is the PQ compared to something like a kung fu panda or ratatouille

I own all three blus, you won't be disappointed by the PQ. It is one of the better cgi/anime I own.

08-14-2009, 06:23 AM	#1
mj79 Banned Member since:Jun 2009 Location:San Antonio/ Duluth Mn	Quick FF7 advent children question about the dubbing and animation I saw it on the net, but wondered if they fixed the dubbing for the blu ray..?? I mean i know its a big japanese thing but i just cant stand not having there lips move with the dialog .. that takes me totally off the movie

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08-14-2009, 07:13 AM	#4
RocShemp Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jul 2009 Blu-ray reviews:2	But keep in mind that the English dub is a mixed bag. Wally Wingert wasn't at the top of his game as Rufus Shinra. Mena Suvari and Rachael Leigh Cook were dreadful as Aerith and Tifa respectively. Steve Burton was good but a touch off compared to other times he's voice Cloud. George Newbern is the real standout as Sephiroth. I actually found him far better in the role than Toshiyuki Morikawa. Everyone else was very good across the board.

08-14-2009, 08:13 AM	#5
Kyo28 Power Member Member since:Jun 2008 Blu-ray collection:446 Blu-ray reviews:12	I haven't noticed any problem with the dubbing of FFVII. Never checked the US track, though. Don't care much for non-original language tracks.

08-14-2009, 08:14 AM	#6
Mobe1969 Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Brisbane, Australia 4K collection:980 Blu-ray collection:1610	That was the first CG movie I've seen where I was actually impressed hugely by the animation. The level of rendered irregular objects in it, as well as number of people was just phenomenal. The detail was impressive.

08-14-2009, 08:53 AM	#7
AikonEnt Blu-ray Guru Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Crawley, UK Blu-ray collection:246	My copy it's on its way to me now

08-14-2009, 11:58 AM	#8
jasonicus Senior Member Member since:Jul 2009	I can't tell you cause I don't like watching any movie dubbed. If bad dubbing bothers you, just use subtitles.

08-14-2009, 12:33 PM	#10
cathexist Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Aurora, CO 4K collection:302 Blu-ray collection:1253 DVD collection:73 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:8	It would be time consuming to do the lip sync for english as well. You'd basically have to re-render every scene where lips are moving. I too never watch dubbed versions of...anything (cept for older Jackie Chan movies...which...almost always seem to be dubbed, even when the characters speaking english)

08-14-2009, 03:15 PM	#11
Arkham Active Member Member since:May 2009 Location:Florida Blu-ray collection:145 Trading Score:1	As has been said, it would require animating quite a lot of material twice for something that 98% of people do not care about. To me dubbing is for comedy, no other purpose and I always prefer the original language with subs.

08-14-2009, 03:51 PM	#13
Chiyo_chichi Power Member Member since:Jul 2009 Location:Bayonne, NJ, USA Blu-ray collection:40	Was the cut you saw the newer release with the 1k changed scenes, retouches, etc? Or the old original...because its a fairly big difference. Anyway, I've seen Complete on Blu 2x in English and the lip synch never threw me off.

08-14-2009, 04:44 PM	#15
mj79 Banned Member since:Jun 2009 Location:San Antonio/ Duluth Mn	thanks guys.. i think amazon has a good deal on this now, so im gonna pick it up.. So i know its a different animation/cgi etc.. But how is the PQ compared to something like a kung fu panda or ratatouille

08-14-2009, 05:16 PM	#18
RocShemp Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jul 2009 Blu-ray reviews:2	ANy word on if they'll reissue the BD with all the special features from the previous DVD releases and the current BD special features? I just can't bring myself to fork over $30 for such a light release.

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