are my receiver and speakers set up properly? - Blu-ray Forum

Erman_94 · 10-04-2009, 02:38 AM

ok, i have a 5.1 setup, i am getting sound from all of them

only thing is on the display of my pioneer receiver, the following are lit up:

L, C, R, SL, SR, SBL, SBR, LFE (and SB is not)

this is just confusing me because i have a subwoofer connected and run through the mcacc (and it works during movies), but the display isnt lit up

meanwhile i dont have sbl and sbr speakers (because i only have a 5.1 setup) and those ARE lit up

any help? or is this supposed to be like this?

ZedsDead · 10-04-2009, 03:09 AM

The only thing I can think of is that you wired your surround speakers into the surround back terminals on your receiver (is it a Pioneer?)

Rob J in WNY · 10-04-2009, 03:15 AM

I'm not sure if the Pioneer 1018 has an on-TV GUI, but nonetheless, you probably need to go into your manual speaker setup and choose "NO" for Surround Back speakers.

The problem you may be having is that if you are running 6.1 or 7.1 channel audio from a selected BD or DVD title, or running one of the surround-back "matrix" audio modes on your receiver, your receiver is running its surround back amplifer channels without speakers attached, which can be harmful.

Check to make sure that your subwoofer is set to "YES" in the manual speaker setup as well.

Good luck!

Erman_94 · 10-04-2009, 03:25 AM

the surrounds are in the proper place and everything in the manual speaker setup is correct (surround backs are off and sub is on)

how do i know if i am using one of those matrix options?

Zman2k2 · 10-04-2009, 03:37 AM

On Pioneers, if the receiver is getting the SBL and SBR signals, the lights will show up. It doesn't matter if you have those speakers connected or not. I have them turned off on my system, yet when I boot up my PS3, the display shows all 7 speakers are being input.

As for the SB, that means surround back. That's for a 6.1 signal. The sub input is the LFE or Low Frequency Effects channel. When there is input on the LFE channel, it will be surrounded by brackets like this: (((LFE)))

Sounds like your system is fine, and everything is working as it should.

Erman_94 · 10-04-2009, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Zman2k2

On Pioneers, if the receiver is getting the SBL and SBR signals, the lights will show up. It doesn't matter if you have those speakers connected or not. I have them turned off on my system, yet when I boot up my PS3, the display shows all 7 speakers are being input.

As for the SB, that means surround back. That's for a 6.1 signal. The sub input is the LFE or Low Frequency Effects channel. When there is input on the LFE channel, it will be surrounded by brackets like this: (((LFE)))

Sounds like your system is fine, and everything is working as it should.

thanks Zman2k2

so even though the source im playing isnt 7.1 (im playing nhl 10 now which is 5.1 and i was watching the dark knight which is also 5.1) all 7 lights will light up?

i do get the brackets around the LFE when my sub kicks in

also, do you know how i can make sure im not using one of those matrix surround options unknowingly?

thanks

Zman2k2 · 10-04-2009, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Erman_94

thanks Zman2k2

so even though the source im playing isnt 7.1 (im playing nhl 10 now which is 5.1 and i was watching the dark knight which is also 5.1) all 7 lights will light up?

As far as I know, when watching a 5.1 signal, only the 5 lights should be on. I'm using my SC-05 right now watching hockey (yay!) and the signal is DDigital, and only the 5 surround channels are lit. Your PS3 may be matrixing the sound itself, as some setting in the audio options menu. You may want to check that out.

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i do get the brackets around the LFE when my sub kicks in

Perfect. Then the LFE or sub channel is working fine.

Quote:

also, do you know how i can make sure im not using one of those matrix surround options unknowingly?

thanks

Surround matrixing on the Pioneers involves using the DTS: Neo 6 modes or Dolby PLIIx modes. If your display doesn't read either of these, then you aren't matrixing the sound.

*EDIT*
You know what, I think it just hit me as to what's going on. Are you using a fat PS3? Because I'm using a slim PS3 that bitstreams to the receiver. So I'm not having the display show anything strange. But if you're using a fat PS3 that sends everything over as PCM, you need to turn off the 7.1 audio output on the PS3. Go into the Sound Settings/Audio Output Settings menu and select HDMI then manual, and turn off all the 7.1 options. Then the PS3 will stop sending out 7.1 signals, and you should be good to go.

Erman_94 · 10-04-2009, 04:07 AM

yes, i have an original 40GB ps3...let me go into the audio options and take a look..

Erman_94 · 10-04-2009, 04:10 AM

you are the man Zman2k2! thanks...7.1 was checked on...i checked it off and now i only see the 5 speakers and LFE lit up

one last question...how do i know which frequencies to check off for 5.1?

i dont want to ruin my speakers!

EDIT: if you answer quick you can go back to watching the flames kick some oiler butt

Zman2k2 · 10-04-2009, 04:16 AM

Turn off anything in the 100's. That's the safest thing to do.

Go Flames Go!!

Erman_94 · 10-04-2009, 05:53 PM

thanks Zman2k2...so i can check off anything under 100 and i should be ok?

is that what my speakers can handle? or is that just a general estimation to be on the safe side?

does it make any difference? are blu-rays/games even encoded that high?

Zman2k2 · 10-05-2009, 01:05 AM

No, I mean uncheck anything in the 100's. Most audio that is output is a maximum of 96kHz on blu's anyways. So there's no need to go higher. It's more a "better-safe-than-sorry" thing.

Erman_94 · 10-05-2009, 01:56 AM

thanks Zman2k2...will uncheck them when i turn on my ps3 again

also (a little off topic) but does your pioneer elite allow you to set a crossover of 60hz for your speakers? my pio only lets me choose 50hz or 80hz

in your opinion, should i have the crossover at 80hz or 50hz? (i know a lot is based on what i hear and like, but its nice to get opinions too)

thanks

Zman2k2 · 10-05-2009, 02:04 AM

Nope, only 50, 80, 100, 150, and 200Hz. I have mine set to 80. My mains are spec'd to go down to 40, but I'd rather not push them like that. My sub is more than able to go to 100Hz, so I set it at 80. That way I don't overwork my mains by asking them to go too low, and my sub doesn't get too high.

Erman_94 · 10-05-2009, 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zman2k2

Nope, only 50, 80, 100, 150, and 200Hz. I have mine set to 80. My mains are spec'd to go down to 40, but I'd rather not push them like that. My sub is more than able to go to 100Hz, so I set it at 80. That way I don't overwork my mains by asking them to go too low, and my sub doesn't get too high.

i see...i guess i am in a similar situation with my mains as my rtia7's are spec'd to go down fairly low as well.

im not sure about my sub though (as it is a lower model than yours). but im assuming your recommendation would still be an 80hz crossover for my speakers?

Zman2k2 · 10-05-2009, 06:17 PM

Yeah, I would stick with 80 Hz. I believe that with THX specs, 80Hz is the crossover point they use as well. And they've done more research than me.

10-04-2009, 02:38 AM	#1
Erman_94 Power Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Canada 4K collection:31 Blu-ray collection:201	are my receiver and speakers set up properly? ok, i have a 5.1 setup, i am getting sound from all of them only thing is on the display of my pioneer receiver, the following are lit up: L, C, R, SL, SR, SBL, SBR, LFE (and SB is not) this is just confusing me because i have a subwoofer connected and run through the mcacc (and it works during movies), but the display isnt lit up meanwhile i dont have sbl and sbr speakers (because i only have a 5.1 setup) and those ARE lit up any help? or is this supposed to be like this?

10-04-2009, 04:10 AM	#9
Erman_94 Power Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Canada 4K collection:31 Blu-ray collection:201	you are the man Zman2k2! thanks...7.1 was checked on...i checked it off and now i only see the 5 speakers and LFE lit up one last question...how do i know which frequencies to check off for 5.1? i dont want to ruin my speakers! EDIT: if you answer quick you can go back to watching the flames kick some oiler butt Last edited by Erman_94; 10-04-2009 at 04:14 AM.

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10-04-2009, 03:09 AM	#2
ZedsDead Senior Member Member since:Jul 2009 Home Theater Gallery:28 Blu-ray collection:94	The only thing I can think of is that you wired your surround speakers into the surround back terminals on your receiver (is it a Pioneer?)

10-04-2009, 03:15 AM	#3
Rob J in WNY Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2008 Location:'Western' N.Y. State (MEMBER OF THE "ECPP")™ Home Theater Gallery:24 4K collection:30 Blu-ray collection:486 iTunes collection:1 Blu-ray reviews: 15	I'm not sure if the Pioneer 1018 has an on-TV GUI, but nonetheless, you probably need to go into your manual speaker setup and choose "NO" for Surround Back speakers. The problem you may be having is that if you are running 6.1 or 7.1 channel audio from a selected BD or DVD title, or running one of the surround-back "matrix" audio modes on your receiver, your receiver is running its surround back amplifer channels without speakers attached, which can be harmful. Check to make sure that your subwoofer is set to "YES" in the manual speaker setup as well. Good luck!

10-04-2009, 03:25 AM	#4
Erman_94 Power Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Canada 4K collection:31 Blu-ray collection:201	the surrounds are in the proper place and everything in the manual speaker setup is correct (surround backs are off and sub is on) how do i know if i am using one of those matrix options?

10-04-2009, 03:37 AM	#5
Zman2k2 Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Calgary, Canada Home Theater Gallery:5 Blu-ray collection:136 Trading Score:54	On Pioneers, if the receiver is getting the SBL and SBR signals, the lights will show up. It doesn't matter if you have those speakers connected or not. I have them turned off on my system, yet when I boot up my PS3, the display shows all 7 speakers are being input. As for the SB, that means surround back. That's for a 6.1 signal. The sub input is the LFE or Low Frequency Effects channel. When there is input on the LFE channel, it will be surrounded by brackets like this: (((LFE))) Sounds like your system is fine, and everything is working as it should.

10-04-2009, 04:07 AM	#8
Erman_94 Power Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Canada 4K collection:31 Blu-ray collection:201	yes, i have an original 40GB ps3...let me go into the audio options and take a look..

10-04-2009, 04:16 AM	#10
Zman2k2 Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Calgary, Canada Home Theater Gallery:5 Blu-ray collection:136 Trading Score:54	Turn off anything in the 100's. That's the safest thing to do. Go Flames Go!!

10-04-2009, 05:53 PM	#11
Erman_94 Power Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Canada 4K collection:31 Blu-ray collection:201	thanks Zman2k2...so i can check off anything under 100 and i should be ok? is that what my speakers can handle? or is that just a general estimation to be on the safe side? does it make any difference? are blu-rays/games even encoded that high?

10-05-2009, 01:05 AM	#12
Zman2k2 Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Calgary, Canada Home Theater Gallery:5 Blu-ray collection:136 Trading Score:54	No, I mean uncheck anything in the 100's. Most audio that is output is a maximum of 96kHz on blu's anyways. So there's no need to go higher. It's more a "better-safe-than-sorry" thing.

10-05-2009, 01:56 AM	#13
Erman_94 Power Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Canada 4K collection:31 Blu-ray collection:201	thanks Zman2k2...will uncheck them when i turn on my ps3 again also (a little off topic) but does your pioneer elite allow you to set a crossover of 60hz for your speakers? my pio only lets me choose 50hz or 80hz in your opinion, should i have the crossover at 80hz or 50hz? (i know a lot is based on what i hear and like, but its nice to get opinions too) thanks

10-05-2009, 02:04 AM	#14
Zman2k2 Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Calgary, Canada Home Theater Gallery:5 Blu-ray collection:136 Trading Score:54	Nope, only 50, 80, 100, 150, and 200Hz. I have mine set to 80. My mains are spec'd to go down to 40, but I'd rather not push them like that. My sub is more than able to go to 100Hz, so I set it at 80. That way I don't overwork my mains by asking them to go too low, and my sub doesn't get too high.

10-05-2009, 06:17 PM	#16
Zman2k2 Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Calgary, Canada Home Theater Gallery:5 Blu-ray collection:136 Trading Score:54	Yeah, I would stick with 80 Hz. I believe that with THX specs, 80Hz is the crossover point they use as well. And they've done more research than me.

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