Childish user reviews (ref Transformers 2++)

[Shallow_]

Its always fun to read the official www.blu-ray.com reviews of Blurays, but often just as interesting to see what other users think. And as a huge Transformers 2 fan I was looking forward to both the official and user reviews.

'Fortunately' everyone agrees that the PQ and AQ is the new reference, there is really no discussion there, and when it comes to the movie, I can also respect the fact that many people dont like it and gives it a 0.5/5.. fair enough.

But why give it 0.5/5 for extras and overall ?? just to drag it down ?

The extras for this release is also amongst the best on any Bluray, and all in HD, and the overall score should reflect an average of the 4 scores.. or?

As an enthusiast who values user-reviews I find it very irritating that some users feel the need to express that they hate a film..

Maybe its just me..

[kpkelley]

As long as they explain why the gave a particular rating(rather than just saying "this movie sux"), then I don't see it as too much of an issue. Besides, that's why they have the +/- next to each review.

[Mr Bluray]

Originally Posted by Shallow_

Its always fun to read the official www.blu-ray.com reviews of Blurays, but often just as interesting to see what other users think. And as a huge Transformers 2 fan I was looking forward to both the official and user reviews.

'Fortunately' everyone agrees that the PQ and AQ is the new reference, there is really no discussion there, and when it comes to the movie, I can also respect the fact that many people dont like it and gives it a 0.5/5.. fair enough.

But why give it 0.5/5 for extras and overall ?? just to drag it down ?

As an enthusiast who values user-reviews I find it very irritating that some users feel the need to express that they hate a film..

Maybe its just me..

I saw it for the first time yesterday and loved the movie only 1 thing that bothered me
Since when did Deceptacons have the ability to take human form?

After reading all the negative things I thought this movie was going to be bad but I loved it

[Sponge-worthy]

Probably two schools of thought at work:

1) Blu-ray viewers who will endure a less-than-stellar film if the PQ and AQ is solid.

Or,

2) Blu-ray viewers who see PQ and AQ as a factor only if the underlying film is good to begin with. IOW, a polished turd is still a turd.

So unless you're actually, personally invested in the success of the movie, I wouldn't take it too seriously.

[Steve]

While I sometimes find the reviews of the movie itself interesting, I'm really only interested in the review of the technical aspects of the film, i.e. AQ and PQ. If I'm bothering to read said review, then most likely I've already seen the movie and liked it and am planning to buy it.

[Mr. J]

yeah, I seen some user reviews that had the Extras as .5
That I didn't understand at all.

[Chiyo_chichi]

Sometimes user reviews can provide good insight into a product. Other times, you have to remember that Bimmy and Jimmy 10 year olds know how to use the computer.

[raskal66]

Originally Posted by kpkelley

As long as they explain why the gave a particular rating(rather than just saying "this movie sux"), then I don't see it as too much of an issue. Besides, that's why they have the +/- next to each review.

I totally agree with you. The only thing about the +/- thing I don't understand is why the negative comments get hidden.

It seems a little like censorship. If they want a forum for comments, then have a forum for comments. Otherwise it's just a cheerleading section. Comments should be monitored for personal attacks and profanity of course out of respect for decency, but hiding someone's "TF2 is overrated comment" when someone else's "TF2 ROCKS!" comment stays visible is just lame.

[raskal66]

Originally Posted by Mr Bluray

I saw it for the first time yesterday and loved the movie only 1 thing that bothered me
Since when did Deceptacons have the ability to take human form?

Since hack extraordinaire, Monsieur Bay got creative control.

Overheard at TF2 script reading:

Michael Bay: Mom on Pot brownies, dogs humping, and racism is awesome dude! Throw it in, we want an epic this time.

Staff Writer: Isn't this a sci-fi war for the sake of humanity kind of film that has an established history, continuity, and reputation?

Michael Bay: You're fired. Megan! Go wash my Lamborghini! I'll recast Mikaela if you don't!

Staff Writer: Who's Mikaela? Is that a Transformers character?

Michael Bay: Didn't I just fire you?

[kpkelley]

Originally Posted by raskal66

I totally agree with you. The only thing about the +/- thing I don't understand is why the negative comments get hidden.

I don't follow.

the +/- is just voting on the reviews, there are no comments attached to those. If negative comments get bumped to the second or third page because the film's fanboys keep pushing the - button on reviews bashing the film, then I guess that is the cost of having the functionality. I don't believe that any of the review comments are deleted because of this function.

[raskal66]

Originally Posted by kpkelley

I don't follow.

the +/- is just voting on the reviews, there are no comments attached to those. If negative comments get bumped to the second or third page because the film's fanboys keep pushing the - button on reviews bashing the film, then I guess that is the cost of having the functionality. I don't believe that any of the review comments are deleted because of this function.

I'm sorry. It was confusion on my part. I was referring to the +/- button on the comments section for news stories. You are right, the comments that get a lot of minus clicks aren't deleted, they are just hidden, but that is in the news comments. It go me to thinking of why there is a place for comments if only the popular ones stay visible, while the negative ones require an extra click. Since I don't really read the reviews of the film, other than for the descriptions of the extra features on discs or the PQ/AQ section, I guess I haven't really noticed the +/- button there.

Sorry again for my misperception.

[VinnAY]

Originally Posted by raskal66

I totally agree with you. The only thing about the +/- thing I don't understand is why the negative comments get hidden.

It seems a little like censorship. If they want a forum for comments, then have a forum for comments. Otherwise it's just a cheerleading section. Comments should be monitored for personal attacks and profanity of course out of respect for decency, but hiding someone's "TF2 is overrated comment" when someone else's "TF2 ROCKS!" comment stays visible is just lame.

remember that this is a pro-bluray forum and negativity get's censored/hidden/deleted, etc..,

[Dynamo of Eternia]

I think part of the reason why some people might rate things lower that otherwise desever better praise (i.e. PQ, AQ, extras, etc), is that when you give the movie itself a low rating, but give all of these other areas high marks, it tends to give the Blu-Ray a pretty high overall score, and perhaps these people making the reviews just don't want to give the impression that the movie is better than it was (in their opinion).

I think the concern might be that someone may just glance by the review, see mostly positive marks, not really focus on what each is for, and get the impression that it was an overall good movie.

Plus, part of it depends on each person's priorities. Even if the PQ and AQ are great, and while this is Blu-Ray.com, a site dedicated to a high definition format that gives the best quality currently available, many people consider PQ and AQ to be secondary to weather or not the movie, itself, is good and enjoyable. While having the best possible PQ and AQ is optimal, many would probably be willing to sacrifice some of that quality if the trade-off was a better story being told.

And for that matter, as far as extras go, there may be a ton of them, but to the individual reviewer, if the movie, itself, isn't very good, then they probably aren't going to find a bunch of in-depth extras about the movie to be good or interesting. That's kind of a tough call for rating in general, IMO. If someone finds the movie to be of extremely poor quality, then how do you fairly rate the extras? On the quality of them (which to some extent would go hand-in-hand with the quality of the movie, since the extras are all directly related to it), or on the sheer quantity of them? That's a harder judgement call to objectively make than PQ and AQ.

The point boils down to some people wanting to get their view of the movie, itself, across, and not have it get burried under a bunch of technical mumbo-jumbo.

That's not to say that people shouldn't try to be more fair and objective. I'm sure there are many user reviews that haven't been. But, I think that it still all boils down to people trying to get whatever message that they want to convey across in their reviews.

Originally Posted by raskal66

I totally agree with you. The only thing about the +/- thing I don't understand is why the negative comments get hidden.

It seems a little like censorship. If they want a forum for comments, then have a forum for comments. Otherwise it's just a cheerleading section. Comments should be monitored for personal attacks and profanity of course out of respect for decency, but hiding someone's "TF2 is overrated comment" when someone else's "TF2 ROCKS!" comment stays visible is just lame.

I agree, some of that stuff is just ridiculous. It tends to be more of a popularity comment (either with the post, itself, or the person making the post) rather than rating the comments fairly and objectively. Honestly, I don't think "TF2 Sucks" or "TF2 Rocks" are very worth-while comments. Now, if someone can articulate what they did or did not like about the movie in a nice, reasonable manner, and make specific points and examples from the movie to support their view, those are comments more worthy of getting a higher rating, regardless of whether or not I agree with them.

[lobo81865]

Don't know if I'm in the minority, but I watched it for the first time yesterday, and liked it as well as the first one.

[assydingo]

Transformers is how extras should be done on blu-ray. I'm sure the sequel did the extras just as good.

[jason00]

Originally Posted by Mr Bluray

I saw it for the first time yesterday and loved the movie only 1 thing that bothered me
Since when did Deceptacons have the ability to take human form?

After reading all the negative things I thought this movie was going to be bad but I loved it

That character was based on a series of toys called 'Pretenders', which had robots that you would put in a big plastic shell shaped like a person or an animal. They didn't take the time to actually explain it at all though, so it doesn't really make any sense in the movie.

[RSuarez]

Originally Posted by raskal66

Since hack extraordinaire, Monsieur Bay got creative control.

Not quite, pretenders have been around for a while in the Transformers universe...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretend...ransformers%29

[Lucy Diamond]

Any internet review of any kind should be taken with a grain of salt.

Use them only as reference. If you want opinions past those of your own eyes and ears, stick to people who you know and trust.

It doesn't matter what anyone thinks but you in your world.

Don't let the thoughts of others (including this very post) effect you in anyway.

If you liked it...own it.


Bring the rock,

~LD

[CrEd424]

Originally Posted by Mr Bluray

I saw it for the first time yesterday and loved the movie only 1 thing that bothered me
Since when did Deceptacons have the ability to take human form?

After reading all the negative things I thought this movie was going to be bad but I loved it

Back in the old days there was a human changing robot known as a "Pretender" and thats exactly what she is....a lot of people said that was one of there biggest problems with the movie yet its straight from the history of transformers hope that helps you

[raskal66]

Originally Posted by VinnAY

remember that this is a pro-bluray forum and negativity get's censored/hidden/deleted, etc..,

I can dig that, but positivity at the expense of honesty just seems so contrived. While I would prefer negativity to at least be articulate, if only the positive stuff gets shown, why don't they just make a rule in the news comments of, "You can only say positive things about news stories." Otherwise it just feels fake, and would operate like a marketing department of a studio instead of a forum for enthusiasts.