Ps2 emulation on ps3 40G possible - Blu-ray Forum

boweyang · 10-08-2007, 05:13 PM

Pondering on the power of the ps3 and the wireless internet, couldn't they just add ps and ps2 emulation later on if the wanted to? If they could do that in the future as a surprise, id love to buy the 40Gb version.

Teazle · 10-08-2007, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by boweyang

Pondering on the power of the ps3 and the wireless internet, couldn't they just add ps and ps2 emulation later on if the wanted to? If they could do that in the future as a surprise, id love to buy the 40Gb version.

PS1 emulation is already there.

w_tanoto · 10-08-2007, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by boweyang

Pondering on the power of the ps3 and the wireless internet, couldn't they just add ps and ps2 emulation later on if the wanted to? If they could do that in the future as a surprise, id love to buy the 40Gb version.

not sure. but considering 80GB uses software (on contrary of 60GB using hardware), it might be possible.

jorg · 10-08-2007, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by boweyang

Pondering on the power of the ps3 and the wireless internet, couldn't they just add ps and ps2 emulation later on if the wanted to? If they could do that in the future as a surprise, id love to buy the 40Gb version.

yes the emulation will come out (thell just have to phase out 80 gig maybe) but with the 40 gig sony hase to emulate both the emotion engine and the otehr one(the prosesor or graphics prosesor) so itll take time

stringent · 10-09-2007, 09:02 AM

The chip was removed from the European version, its all software driven here. I don't see why it wouldn't work.

kx11 · 10-09-2007, 11:46 AM

bah

1- install linux OS on ps3

2- install ps2 emulator for linux on your ps3

walla it's BC

Xerious · 10-09-2007, 11:54 AM

they could implement it in the future (like the DualShock 3), but seriously, the moment we get it we're gonna whine about something else... you can never appease anyone these days. Live with it.

dinoslino · 10-09-2007, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by stringent

The chip was removed from the European version, its all software driven here. I don't see why it wouldn't work.

Slight corretction here.

European version had only emotion engine chip removed and was emulated in the software. New version also removes Graphic Synth. chip, thus making any emulation virt. impossible.

Summary

US/JAP version EE+GS full hardware emulatioin
EUR version software-EE +GS
NEW 40 GB no emulation

Krazy · 10-09-2007, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dinoslino

Slight corretction here.

European version had only emotion engine chip removed and was emulated in the software. New version also removes Graphic Synth. chip, thus making any emulation virt. impossible.

Summary

US/JAP version EE+GS full hardware emulatioin
EUR version software-EE +GS
NEW 40 GB no emulation

But wasn't the chip that enabled hardware compatibility the combined EE+GS single chip (shown below) that's used in the latest (slim) edition PS2's? If that's what was removed in the Euro 60Gb and the US80Gb versions, then that means the BC on those two is in fact fully software-driven and could (actually should) be added on to the 40Gb later on

dinoslino · 10-09-2007, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Krazy

But wasn't the chip that enabled hardware compatibility the combined EE+GS single chip (shown below) that's used in the latest (slim) edition PS2's? If that's what was removed in the Euro 60Gb and the US80Gb versions, then that means the BC on those two is in fact fully software-driven and could (actually should) be added on to the 40Gb later on

I see what you mean. They have removed EE+GS single chip and moved GS to south bridge. 32 MB ultra fast RD RAM has also been removed from PAL PS3. Essentialy GS is still there and EE is emulated in software. There were rumors, new version would have GS moved into RSX chip. Obviously, hasnt happened and new 40 gb just isn't able to emulate ps2. Dont think Sony will bother with BC in the future. Cheers

Shigun · 10-09-2007, 01:04 PM

Grabbed this from PS3Fanboy, might help explain the BC.

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Many people assumed that the PS3 was software emulating PS2 games, ever since the release of the 80GB model. That system removed the Emotion Engine from the hardware, and required Sony to implement a backwards compatibility solution that involved emulation. Many, including Joystiq, wondered why the new 40GB model couldn't do the same.

SCEE's Nick Sharples sent a technical explanation as to why the new 40GB model loses support for PS2 games. "Backwards compatibility for PS2 titles is largely made possible through the use of actual semiconductors, supported by the PS3 system software. The 20GB and 60GB PS3 models launched in Japan and the USA were equipped with both the PS2 Emotion Engine and Graphics Synthesiser chips and we could therefore guarantee over 90% backwards compatibility for PS2 titles.

"The 60GB model launched in Europe was a new model (shared with the 80GB model launched subsequently in USA) which contains only a modified version of the Graphics Synthesiser chip from the PS2 and not the Emotion Engine chip. The European launch model therefore used a combination of software and the modified version of the PS2 Graphics Synthesiser chip to deliver backwards compatibility for PS2 titles. As a result the percentage of backwards compatible PS2 titles was slightly reduced.

"The 40GB model, to be launched in Europe on 10th October, is a new model and is not equipped with any of the semi conductors from the PS2, and backwards compatibility would therefore have to be achieved by software emulation alone." Because each game would have to be individually emulated (much like on the Xbox 360), Sony decided that an effort like that would be much too costly, and opted to remove BC support from the 40GB system entirely. That decision has not only produced a cheaper system for Sony to manufacture, but for consumers to buy as well.

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Source: http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2007/10/08/...ps2-emulation/

stringent · 10-09-2007, 01:39 PM

Thanks, that cleared it up for me.

w_tanoto · 10-09-2007, 01:45 PM

No plans to introduce b/c in 40GB. Sorry guys
http://www.psu.com/SCEE-explains-los...0001491-p0.php

"The 40GB model, to be launched in Europe on 10th October, is a new model and is not equipped with any of the semi conductors from the PS2, and backwards compatibility would therefore have to be achieved by software emulation alone."

Musashi · 10-09-2007, 01:45 PM

BC will be back once the PS3 itself becomes cheaper to make.

I do wonder: Both the PS2 and the 360 have a small chunk of embedded VRAM that runs a whole lot faster than the rest of the system's memory. How much difference does that make?

boweyang · 10-09-2007, 04:21 PM

Thanx. so emulation is not in the near future but definitely possible.

10-08-2007, 05:13 PM	#1
boweyang Member Member since:May 2006 Location:North Carolina	Ps2 emulation on ps3 40G possible Pondering on the power of the ps3 and the wireless internet, couldn't they just add ps and ps2 emulation later on if the wanted to? If they could do that in the future as a surprise, id love to buy the 40Gb version.

10-09-2007, 11:46 AM	#6
kx11 Special Member Member since:Aug 2007 Blu-ray collection:28	bah 1- install linux OS on ps3 2- install ps2 emulator for linux on your ps3 walla it's BC Last edited by kx11; 10-09-2007 at 11:49 AM.

10-09-2007, 01:45 PM	#13
w_tanoto Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Hatfield, UK / Jakarta, Indonesia Blu-ray collection:37 Blu-ray reviews:47	No plans to introduce b/c in 40GB. Sorry guys http://www.psu.com/SCEE-explains-los...0001491-p0.php "The 40GB model, to be launched in Europe on 10th October, is a new model and is not equipped with any of the semi conductors from the PS2, and backwards compatibility would therefore have to be achieved by software emulation alone." Last edited by w_tanoto; 10-09-2007 at 01:51 PM.

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10-09-2007, 09:02 AM	#5
stringent Senior Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:UK	The chip was removed from the European version, its all software driven here. I don't see why it wouldn't work.

10-09-2007, 11:54 AM	#7
Xerious Special Member Member since:Mar 2007 Location:Washington, DC Blu-ray collection:238 Blu-ray reviews:4	they could implement it in the future (like the DualShock 3), but seriously, the moment we get it we're gonna whine about something else... you can never appease anyone these days. Live with it.

10-09-2007, 01:04 PM	#11
Shigun Active Member Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Pennsylvania, USA PSN: ShiggyPop Blu-ray collection:54	Grabbed this from PS3Fanboy, might help explain the BC. -------------- Many people assumed that the PS3 was software emulating PS2 games, ever since the release of the 80GB model. That system removed the Emotion Engine from the hardware, and required Sony to implement a backwards compatibility solution that involved emulation. Many, including Joystiq, wondered why the new 40GB model couldn't do the same. SCEE's Nick Sharples sent a technical explanation as to why the new 40GB model loses support for PS2 games. "Backwards compatibility for PS2 titles is largely made possible through the use of actual semiconductors, supported by the PS3 system software. The 20GB and 60GB PS3 models launched in Japan and the USA were equipped with both the PS2 Emotion Engine and Graphics Synthesiser chips and we could therefore guarantee over 90% backwards compatibility for PS2 titles. "The 60GB model launched in Europe was a new model (shared with the 80GB model launched subsequently in USA) which contains only a modified version of the Graphics Synthesiser chip from the PS2 and not the Emotion Engine chip. The European launch model therefore used a combination of software and the modified version of the PS2 Graphics Synthesiser chip to deliver backwards compatibility for PS2 titles. As a result the percentage of backwards compatible PS2 titles was slightly reduced. "The 40GB model, to be launched in Europe on 10th October, is a new model and is not equipped with any of the semi conductors from the PS2, and backwards compatibility would therefore have to be achieved by software emulation alone." Because each game would have to be individually emulated (much like on the Xbox 360), Sony decided that an effort like that would be much too costly, and opted to remove BC support from the 40GB system entirely. That decision has not only produced a cheaper system for Sony to manufacture, but for consumers to buy as well. -------------- Source: http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2007/10/08/...ps2-emulation/

10-09-2007, 01:39 PM	#12
stringent Senior Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:UK	Thanks, that cleared it up for me.

10-09-2007, 01:45 PM	#14
Musashi Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Manchester, CT Home Theater Gallery:5 4K collection:25 Blu-ray collection:337 Blu-ray reviews: 1	BC will be back once the PS3 itself becomes cheaper to make. I do wonder: Both the PS2 and the 360 have a small chunk of embedded VRAM that runs a whole lot faster than the rest of the system's memory. How much difference does that make?

10-09-2007, 04:21 PM	#15
boweyang Member Member since:May 2006 Location:North Carolina	Thanx. so emulation is not in the near future but definitely possible.

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