HD DVD owners will have to buy new players

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Embedded in Pentonman's post:

Originally posted by Jon Spackman…………..
Next month Target stores do their semi-annual store reset and will be setting up approximately double the shelf space for Blu ray over HD DVD (6 versus 3).

I am sad to hear this as well as many others will be. I asked my source why and he told me that Target's buyer made the decision and the store follow what they decide.

IMO: the choice for the larger BD section is based on early 2007 data when BD had the momentum in feb/march/april. BEFORE the Paramount/DW announcement and other things that got the momentum shifted the other way in favor of HD DVD.

I think that's funny, "shifted in favor of HD-DVD." Since when is it in your favor when you are still losing weeks even when you release major hits against the other guy releasing nothing?

[Frode]

Originally Posted by Hayashi

Didn't they say at 4x the 50g would take about 20 mins to complete a full burn? Not very long IMO. Try transfering 50g over USB 2.0 haha

That would be for a 25GB disc I think. Maximum for the format is 12x because of the spin rate, unless they start getting fancy and doing using stuff like multi-beam lasers. That would mean 8 mins for 25GB, 16 for 50GB and 32 for 100GB. Most of the multilayer drive use I think will be in set top recorders and HD camcorders.

[blu-rayfan101]

Isn't a triple layer 45gb and how do you get 51gb. most likely just fud like uni lying in Japan. but if true this could be good for blu-ray. Either buy a new player or sell my current player and use the money I would have put towards a new hd dvd player all towards a new blu-ray player.

[Slapper]

Originally Posted by blu-rayfan101

Isn't a triple layer 45gb and how do you get 51gb. most likely just fud like uni lying in Japan. but if true this could be good for blu-ray. Either buy a new player or sell my current player and use the money I would have put towards a new hd dvd player all towards a new blu-ray player.

They claim three 17gig layers.

[ps3andlovinit]

Originally Posted by vw mofo

Who's going to want a 51gb or 100gb disc that's take for-freaking-ever to burn even at 4x when they can buy a 500GB external hdd and copy the contents of an entire drive in a matter of minutes?

Fact is, NEITHER format is good enough for data purposes.

I am..it's more than good enough for my needs. Having a more robust archive of all my mps3, family photos, home movies is highly appealing. Right now a single 50GB would archive all of our current digital family stuff.

HDD's never get taken off site despite the best intentions precisely because they are so convenient and they almost ALWAYS have extra space to be used that you don't want to give up and waste money. You can have all the RAID drives you want - they make no difference if your house gets broken into and stolen. Family life history gone in moments.

Optical discs are easy to store in the safety deposit box at our bank as backups. I have no intention of losing our family memories as more of it becomes digital.

Your presuming too much.

The bigger 50GB was also a big appeal to me as the MP3 collection is just under 34Gb. 50GB avoids having to dick around with splitting it up etc.

And as HD home movies and pictures become more the norm those 100GB and 200GB drives look even more appealing down the road.

[Frode]

Originally Posted by blu-rayfan101

Isn't a triple layer 45gb and how do you get 51gb. most likely just fud like uni lying in Japan. but if true this could be good for blu-ray. Either buy a new player or sell my current player and use the money I would have put towards a new hd dvd player all towards a new blu-ray player.

Tighter track pitch. If you think of the discs like LP records, the space between the grooves is smaller, allowing for a slight increase in runtime.

[SNAP]

One of the HD-DVD forum guy says that this will not affect 2nd generation players such as the A20.

[Hayashi]

Originally Posted by Frode

That would be for a 25GB disc I think. Maximum for the format is 12x because of the spin rate, unless they start getting fancy and doing using stuff like multi-beam lasers. That would mean 8 mins for 25GB, 16 for 50GB and 32 for 100GB. Most of the multilayer drive use I think will be in set top recorders and HD camcorders.

my bad its 45 min for 50g and 22 min for 25g. still faster then USB 2.0

[mattym]

i would really like this to be true so we can all toast the HDDVD zealots with a big fat mug of **** off, but until its confirmed it has to go in the rumour bin

[Kris Deering]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

My choice for the hottest thread of today goes to………………………………..
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=19272

where I just posted.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...611#post266611

I don't understand how this is any different than all of the Blu-ray owners having to buy new players when 1.1 and 2.0 supplements come out that they can't playback with their existing players? You also have to assume that TL51 will ever be used, which I have doubts about. HD DVD's capacity has never really been their issue, its bandwidth that is their biggest obstacle.

[SNAP]

It may be true for 1st gens but apparently that's all......so they say.

[WickyWoo]

I don't understand how this is any different than all of the Blu-ray owners having to buy new players when 1.1 and 2.0 supplements come out that they can't playback with their existing players? You also have to assume that TL51 will ever be used, which I have doubts about

Because the movie will still play on the Blu-players, while it will not on the HD players

[Kris Deering]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

Because the movie will still play on the Blu-players, while it will not on the HD players

True, but again this is only if TL51 is even used. But I think it is unfair to make a parody about profiles that require new hardware at this point. Blu-ray has plenty of issues in this department that will surely cause lots of drama as content starts rolling out.

[theknub]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

True, but again this is only if TL51 is even used. But I think it is unfair to make a parody about profiles that require new hardware at this point. Blu-ray has plenty of issues in this department that will surely cause lots of drama as content starts rolling out.

you're comparing apples to oranges. while 1.0 players may not be able to play pinball on a disc, the user can still enjoy the main feature. on a TL 51, the user will have to purchase a whole new player to enjoy the main feature.

[mel2]

it's plenty fair. for the past year we had to listen about how blu specs aren't finished but hd dvd's are according to duders. now the shoe is on the other foot. now the 100gb discs will play on blu players with just a firmware upgrade plus the new profiles are right around the corner now. so it looks like blu-ray has their ducks in order.

[goodstuff]

Originally Posted by mel2

it's plenty fair. for the past year we had to listen about how blu specs aren't finished but hd dvd's are according to duders. now the shoe is on the other foot. now the 100gb discs will play on blu players with just a firmware upgrade plus the new profiles are right around the corner now. so it looks like blu-ray has their ducks in order.

Amen.

[BDAnr1]

>Some update

DVD Forum: 51GB HD DVD Still Testing; Paramount to Up HD DVD Efforts in 2008

(10/10/2007)
CHRIS TRIBBEY


The 51GB HD DVD is a reality, but whether it will work on existing HD DVD players is still up in the air, according to a Toshiba representative of the HD DVD Promotional Group. The announcement came Oct. 9 at the DVD Forum’s North America DVD Conference in Universal City, Calif.

Toshiba’s Mark Knox said the technology is still in the testing phase, but would likely receive final approval from the DVD Forum by the end of the year. The three-layer disc would narrowly trump the storage capacity of rival Blu-ray Disc’s 50GB.

“We’re still looking at the backwards compatibility,” Knox said, adding a firmware update for existing HD DVD players might be needed, should studios eventually use the technology.

Knox also added that more “twin format” HD DVDs could be in the works. Unlike the HD DVD combo discs, which have a high-def film on one side and a standard definition version on the other, the twin format can hold two 30 GB of HD DVD and 4.7 GB of standard definition on one side of a disc.

Only Bandai Visual’s Freedom 1 anime HD DVD, released quietly in June, has taken advantage of that technology.

Other news out of the DVD Forum event:

Paramount, which went HD DVD exclusive in August, has only four HD DVDs planned for the rest of the year. But the studio will make a bigger HD DVD splash in 2008, according to a Paramount representative. Roughly 30 titles from Paramount and DreamWorks are already planned for 2008.

Dan Silverberg, VP of high-def marketing for Warner Home Video, said it’s possible high-def set-top boxes could reach 1.2 million households by the end of the year.
“That’s a lot,” he admitted. “But it’s possible.”

That number was disputed by Paul Erickson, senior HD analyst for NPD DisplaySearch. He estimated fewer than 1 million high-def standalone players would be in homes by the end of the year, but that consumer adoption would pick up in 2008.

“We know the consumers are buying next-generation [optical disc], just not at the level we may have expected,” he said. “We feel that the format war is going to be somewhat extensive.”

Ken Graffeo, EVP of Universal Studios Home Entertainment and co-president of the HD DVD Promotional Group, said consumer comfort with DVD is getting in the way of high-def.

“Our real challenge isn’t really against Blu-ray,” he said. “It’s against consumer satisfaction with DVD.”

Silverberg also touted the fact that Warner Bros., as the last major studio releasing titles on both Blu-ray and HD DVD, owns the largest high-def software market share (36%) and claims the most high-def units sold for a single title (400,000 copies of 300).

Carl Pinto, VP of product development and product management for Toshiba, shared company estimates that show 5 million notebook PCs will be equipped with HD DVD technology in 2008. He emphasized the fact most of those notebooks will be easy to connect to a TV.

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by BDAnr1

>Some update

DVD Forum: 51GB HD DVD Still Testing; Paramount to Up HD DVD Efforts in 2008

Thats a lot of good info.

[Papi4baby]

Originally Posted by mel2

it's plenty fair. for the past year we had to listen about how blu specs aren't finished but hd dvd's are according to duders. now the shoe is on the other foot. now the 100gb discs will play on blu players with just a firmware upgrade plus the new profiles are right around the corner now. so it looks like blu-ray has their ducks in order.

Come on guys, don't stood to their level.

FIRST OFF. We don't even know if TL51 will ever be used, so the whole issue might not mean anything.
SECOND. It is not really confirm that our players will be able to play the 100GB BD. And even if it does, it does not mean we will.

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by Papi4baby

Come on guys, don't stood to their level.

FIRST OFF. We don't even know if TL51 will ever be used, so the whole issue might not mean anything.
SECOND. It is not really confirm that our players will be able to play the 100GB BD. And even if it does, it does not mean we will.

I gotta disagree. Fight fire with fire. They've been scarring consumers off for over a year, telling them how their players will be obsolete in a matter of a year or so if they go with blu-ray. It's time to repay the favor and say that 1. Either HD DVD has a smaller capacity and bitrate than blu-ray or 2. All players on the market now are obsolete. Then follow up with you really think 30GB is enough than why does King Kong not have a loseless track. You really think the clarity and PQ is the same then why is the blu-ray version of that animal documentary that uses a higher bit rate VC-1 encoding getting praised over the hd dvd version.